The ADS

[askavir]

You mean like those in the Explorer's forum who are talking about their ultra-long trips and circumnavigating the galaxy? Those people? Or are you saying that those that post in the Explorers forum aren't experts or true explorers?

And what makes you think that who prefered to explore before are still there in the exploration subforum posting happily about ultra-long trips? Logically the ones who remain posting in the exploration subforum will be the ones who liked the changes. There are many names I never saw again in the exploration subforum since shortly after the changes.

You can't infer the number of vegans by counting heads in an brazilian barbecue restaurant. The conclusions might be somewhat skewed.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I have tried to keep my nose out of this fight this time, it is just the same handful of people saying the say thing (this goes for both sides of the argument BTW) and is well frankly boring and kind of childish.

But it did get me thinking, all this talk of how the introduction of the FSS destroying exploration as we know it, and how universally despised the FSS is (according to some). So I decided to see what the experts think, those whose main focus in the game is exploration, yep I went and had a look at the Exploration sub-forum. The first thing that struck me as strange is that the first 10 threads weren't complaints about the FSS. In fact there wasn't an anti-FSS titled thread on the first page, nor on the second or third or fourth or fifth.

Now I am not saying that there may be individual posts in any of those threads that were not supportive of the FSS, but if the new system (the FSS) was as bad as some here are saying, why isn't it a hot topic amongst those who would be using it the most - the Explorers.

Maybe this thread (and any future FSS/ADS threads) should be moved to the Exploration sub-forum, so those who have a interest in it can give their opinions.

There's plenty of hyperbole on both sides of the argument.

The majority of people are happy with the FSS - especially people who are exploring today. Those people who aren't happy with the FSS have either quit the game, quit exploring, or just sucked it up. Or, like me, they use parallax and pretend the FSS doesn't exist.

The thing is, those people who do enjoy the FSS will continue exploring even if the ADS is reinstated - so where's the harm?

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I already feel guilty, I tell you.

I know you're trying to quit Pico, we just keep pulling you back in

 

[Burke]

There are many names I never saw again in the exploration subforum since shortly after the changes.

Its not right to drag people into it, but yes some of the most accomplished explorers quit on the FSS.

 

[askavir]

I know you're trying to quit Pico, we just keep pulling you back in

No he's not. In truth, even though he'll never admit it in public, he loves our company.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I'm not. The FSS is game lore. If the ADS is included it will be game lore and make no sense.

That's not how lore works lol.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

No he's not. In truth, even though he'll never admit it in public, he loves our company.

To be fair, arguing on the internet is a lot of fun.

More fun than the FSS

 

[Thatchinho]

Are you saying Max, Pico and Indigo aren't being sensible?

Yep! Pretty sure they know it. In no way limited to just them though. I’m not being sensible either.

Your argument applies equally to pro-ADS people, and to people who don't care. Why would they bother posting?

Well, without sounding harsh, some people are still trying to make a case against what has been stated. So that’s why they would bother. Neutrals? Well some might just be answering the OPs question. Or just interjecting some general point or asking something. With no idea what they’re letting themselves in for. Poor souls.

Inferring people's opinions from their silence is what people do when they've lost a referendum.

Well quite, but the opinions of the silent were being inferred as being in proportion to those which were being expressed. It’s a bit of a shaky inferral (IMHO, of course ).

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Yep! Pretty sure they know it. In no way limited to just them though. I’m not being sensible either.

Well, without sounding harsh, some people are still trying to make a case against what has been stated. So that’s why they would bother. Neutrals? Well some might just be answering the OPs question. Or just interjecting some general point or asking something. With no idea what they’re letting themselves in for. Poor souls.

Well quite, but the opinions of the silent were being inferred as being in proportion to those which were being expressed. It’s a bit of a shaky inferral (IMHO, of course ).

Nobody still posting in this thread is being sensible.

However, I find talking about how much fun exploration USED to be does make me want to play the game again. I generally stop after every patch because FDev seem determined to make the game worse every time they add new features.

 

[Thatchinho]

Nobody still posting in this thread is being sensible.

However, I find talking about how much fun exploration USED to be does make me want to play the game again. I generally stop after every patch because FDev seem determined to make the game worse every time they add new features.

Come to the dark* side mate. We’ve got a logographic alien language to decipher. (Even got in on it being logographic before that hack, Ram Tah did. )

*actual darkness may be less than implied

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Yeah mode splitting. OMG...

I never had a problem with the mode splitting using an x56.. it just quality how it still doesn’t work properly.. there’s some permutation of mapping that makes it so every single body is blue after you do it whether it’s been mapped or not.. almost frustrating.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

Today’s shenanigans certainly has been enlightening in regard to the ‘depth’ of the anti-ADS arguments.
The ad hominems casually thrown about instead of engaging in the discussion have certainly been a thrill.

Same time tomorrow?

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Again you attempt to belittle. What the he is wrong with you. It's not my personal lore you div. It's the already in game ED lore. You're just a nasty little twit.

I wish I could PDF annotate your posts. Who’s a little twit now? Hehhehehehehhe

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I wish I could PDF annotate your posts. Who’s a little twit now? Hehhehehehehhe

You are.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Come to the dark* side mate. We’ve got a logographic alien language to decipher. (Even got in on it being logographic before that hack, Ram Tah did. )

*actual darkness may be less than implied

I haven't finished exploring Raxxla yet.
I gotta admit, the cloaking device is fun though.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

I'm not. The FSS is game lore. If the ADS is included it will be game lore and make no sense.

That wouldn't be a problem. Since the removal of the ADS is in the game and part of the lore. FSS and ADS are game lore. And it's lore that a physical module simply disappeared into thin air, the ship sensors suddenly got the ability of the ADS and the DSS and infinite probes for the new DSS - yay so much sense making changes

 

[Sysmon]

I'm not expecting FDev to change their mind. The best I can hope for is that they improve the FSS to make it more flexible and less onerous to use. Oh, and fix the bugs too.

Nonetheless, whilst the number of people requesting the return of the ADS is small, it's significantly larger than the number of people insisting that it SHOULDN'T come back, so by reinstating it FDev would still be in a winning situation, with only a very small cost in players.

That's not how it works. Just because there's a few loud obnoxious Pro-ADS types compared to the anti-ADS types does not make it a score card nor does it make it representative of the game community in general.

S

 

[Sysmon]

I fear the main reason why so few get upset by the removal of the ADS might be, because so few really care about exploration.

Just look at all the threads about how grindy it is to get the 5000 ly for Palin.
The threads from commenters who don't understand the difference between a completely unexplored system and one that got scanned and the data handed in.
The quick reaction from FDev after people realized what consequences the removal of the ADS might have for them and the subsequent re-introduction of the ADS for already explored systems as a way to bring the community together (perfect PR ).

Those participating in these FSS vs. ADS threads are the few who really care about exploration - sadly sitting on opposite sides of an insurmountable gorge.

No, because so few really wanted to keep the ADS, but the majority prefers to play the game as opposed to whining about it.

S

 

[marx]

But it did get me thinking, all this talk of how the introduction of the FSS destroying exploration as we know it,

No offense, but that's just hyperbole there. Unless you can show me where people said this here? But while the FSS has arguably hurt exploration, it certainly hasn't "destroyed" it.

So I decided to see what the experts think, those whose main focus in the game is exploration, yep I went and had a look at the Exploration sub-forum. The first thing that struck me as strange is that the first 10 threads weren't complaints about the FSS. In fact there wasn't an anti-FSS titled thread on the first page, nor on the second or third or fourth or fifth.

Now I am not saying that there may be individual posts in any of those threads that were not supportive of the FSS, but if the new system (the FSS) was as bad as some here are saying, why isn't it a hot topic amongst those who would be using it the most - the Explorers.

Simple. It has been discussed enough, Frontier haven't done anything with any of the prior feedback, there has been nothing new since. So, the topic doesn't come up there again. The explorers' subforum has also always seen much less traffic than the infamous Dangerous Discussion does, and new players often end up here instead.

Oh, and the FSS is no longer new. It was first revealed a year ago, and went live ten months ago.

Maybe this thread (and any future FSS/ADS threads) should be moved to the Exploration sub-forum, so those who have a interest in it can give their opinions.

Like I said, it has already been done. I believe the last feedback thread there was this one, but somebody correct me if I'm wrong. If you want some good reads, then in my opinion, the 11 pages there were much more constructive and informative than the 119 (and counting) here.
Oh, and I don't think anyone has changed their minds to have a better opinion of the FSS the longer they played with it since. At least, I never heard that in private, nor read such in public.

It'll be fun to revisit it on the one-year anniversary, mind. Allitnil posted a thread soon before the FSS went live where people would post their last-minute statistics, with the intent of returning a year later and posting them again, to see how things will have changed then.
...But I can't seem to coax the new forum search to actually find that thread just now. Update: found it via Google, it's here.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Its not right to drag people into it, but yes some of the most accomplished explorers quit on the FSS.

More systems for me to scan, no loss to me.