FSS isn't anywhere near perfection.
The ADS
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Any detriment to your feelings is insignificant compared to the enjoyment I get in the game by keeping the ADS out of the game. Again, you completely disregard anyone elses feelinga on the subject but your own. That is toxic.
Which shows the type of person you are. Thanks from r clarifying. So when you called me mean spirited, you actually meant yourself.
Yup, stop moaning and whining and live with it would be the easiest solution.
I agree. It's far from perfect.
It's just as trivial as your own in my view.
And no that wouldn't resolve the issue I have.
Your issue is of minor significance, with a simple workaround, and can therefore be set aside in favour of resolving the more significant issue we have that does not have a workaround.
Not of minor significance to me and no there would be no simple workaround.
This is why there is no common ground. You only think of yourself. Anyone elses feelings on the subject even if they are strong, you are not interested in because it doesn't further your own agenda.
That is all you do. It's toxic.
"You're just a nasty little twit." I wonder.
Is this considered toxic?
Is this considered toxic?
A toxic reply to a toxic reply. Yes I got dragged down to their level which I regret and admitted.
Now I just use their own arguments against them. Much easier that way.
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No Max, your feelings have been considered.
More than you deserve given how abusive you have been.
The fundamentals remain as they always have been:
The restoration of the ADS would be hugely beneficial to a set of explorers.
FSS users can continue doing exactly what they are doing completely unaffected by it.
That is not toxic in any way at all.
More than you deserve given how abusive you have been.
The fundamentals remain as they always have been:
The restoration of the ADS would be hugely beneficial to a set of explorers.
FSS users can continue doing exactly what they are doing completely unaffected by it.
That is not toxic in any way at all.
Abuse has gone both ways. You are just as guilty.
Not to me, it would make the game worse.
Accusing me of being abusive and denying your own abusive behaviour is toxic.
No Max, you escalated to ad hominems all by yourself.
Div
Nasty little twit
Whining children
And so on
Yes, I said those in reply to being abused.
I started on this thread pretty reasonable, I even was in favour of having the ADS reinstated (not what I actually wanted, but you know, I want people to enjoy the game), but did voice my reservations about it, which I should be allowed to do without being attacked. Unfortunately, that did not happen, attack after attack happened because of my reservations and then I had enough. I decide that people like you and some others actually don't deserve what you want.
Maybe if you were reasonable from the beginning, understood my reservations, instead of trying to take them apart, even though I would have been okay with the ADS in the game (but certainly not happy about it) none of the above would have happened. But it did. You only have yourselves to blame for my current stance.
Sure I may soften in time, but I don't feel like it at the moment.
Bottom-line for me.
The ADS doesn't stray into FSS territory, the FSS strays into ADS territory. ADS was about system configuration, followed up by the DSS, which is the part that should have been replaced by the FSS. (yes, I am fully aware the S's in both acronyms have different meanings). The objective of the FSS should have been the second step when investigating a system. That for me would have been a logical progression of investigating a system. System -> planet -> surface(anomalies)
Instead, the FSS replaced both modules and removes an informed decision for anyone who isn't looking for a specific planet type. It has reduced the degrees of freedom in the exploration process, and reduced the available gameplay options from explorers.
The debate about reintroducing the ADS sadly is an academic one. Which is why I don't understand the geared up emotions around it. In my view, it's very possible to have the ADS and FSS cooperate and give back the exploration gameplay many CMDRs have lost. But FDev doesn't care about exploration, doesn't care about explorer feedback. Lets not forget that years ago, the quote was: "Exploration in it's current state is solid". For 4 years all exploration feedback was ignored. When the focussed feedback came around, exploration was dropped from it. When players complained about the loss of ADS, the response was: "don't worry, we've upped the honk reward".
Sucks, but there it is.
The ADS doesn't stray into FSS territory, the FSS strays into ADS territory. ADS was about system configuration, followed up by the DSS, which is the part that should have been replaced by the FSS. (yes, I am fully aware the S's in both acronyms have different meanings). The objective of the FSS should have been the second step when investigating a system. That for me would have been a logical progression of investigating a system. System -> planet -> surface(anomalies)
Instead, the FSS replaced both modules and removes an informed decision for anyone who isn't looking for a specific planet type. It has reduced the degrees of freedom in the exploration process, and reduced the available gameplay options from explorers.
The debate about reintroducing the ADS sadly is an academic one. Which is why I don't understand the geared up emotions around it. In my view, it's very possible to have the ADS and FSS cooperate and give back the exploration gameplay many CMDRs have lost. But FDev doesn't care about exploration, doesn't care about explorer feedback. Lets not forget that years ago, the quote was: "Exploration in it's current state is solid". For 4 years all exploration feedback was ignored. When the focussed feedback came around, exploration was dropped from it. When players complained about the loss of ADS, the response was: "don't worry, we've upped the honk reward".
Sucks, but there it is.
I see.
Your response to having your arguments undermined is personal abuse.
And having conclusively lost the argument, as demonstrated by resorting to personal abuse, is to just say that we don’t deserve a resolution.
You truly are a class act Max.
I wasn't arguing. Just voicing my reservations which were perfectly valid.
Again you are making stuff up.
I didn't lose any argument, as I wasn't arguing. Just voicing my feeling on the subject. They are not up for debate. I don't go around saying you are wrong not to like the FSS do I?
I stated very clearly I was okay with having the ADS reinstated, but had reservations. Then I was continuously attacked for being unreasonable and trying to stop people from playing how they wanted to play. You were guilty of this too when I wasn't in any shape or form.
And the toxicity continues. You really can't help yourself can you. You are making stuff up again to belittle me.
That is abuse and toxic.
I hate posting off topic pictures, but, yeah i cracked up when reading that also.
Damn those fss twits. That guy has to be max factor.
Plenty of people also went out on DW2 as the last chance of giving the new mechanic(s) a go, and then left. Even among those who stayed, many of the "top" explorers seem to explore considerably less these days than they used to.
Oh, but it has gone down in a very significant manner. You see, DW2 brought thousands of players to exploration, and doubled (or in some statistics, tripled) previous activity. Honestly, it all was a golden opportunity for Frontier. Yet after the expedition was over, all of those gains, and the gains from the Chapter Four: gone. I guess it's a consolation prize that at least it has not gone well below pre-Chapter Four levels, but personally, I wouldn't count that as a huge success.
There are two possibilities:
1. A lot of people stopped exploring after Chapter Four, and the same amount of new people continued exploring after DW2, balancing it out
2. Not a lot of people stopped exploring after Chapter Four, and a lot of the new people stopped exploring after DW2, balancing it out
We can't tell those two apart well enough, unfortunately. But I think it's quite telling if you go see how many of DW2's organizers still explore, and what the official ending statement and whether there will be a DW3 was. Of course, it was worded very carefully, because I believe they didn't want to offend Frontier and risk not getting as much official support for a possible next expedition as the lot they received for DW2. But otherwise, a lot of people out on DW2 said that while FD's manual support (building the stations) was great, the exploration part turned out to be quite the disappointment. The new mechanics, well, they certainly weren't enough to sustain interest on their own, and as for the promised new content, breadcrumbs and whatnot, I believe that the list of entirely new things (not molluscs of a different colour and slightly tweaked shape) added by Chapter Four and discovered by the thousands of players on the expedition speaks for itself:
- Aster trees and pods
Let's just say that's not what the vast majority of people expected.
Oh, and about "players spending more time in systems then before": there's no proof that players are spending more time in systems than they did before, but there is proof that they spend less time using the FSS than they did before.
Anyway, back to the FSS then:
Well, yes. There is no possibility of failure with the FSS, and the only reward for improving your "skill" with it is that you might shave a few seconds off of the time required to complete the minigame.
Your comment about promotion was bang on. It's worth rewatching the developers' stream about it too, seeing what they focused on, how they all played and presented it, the level of enthusiasm, and so on. That's what matters the most, not what some players think about it. I mean, the most common pro-FSS argument that doesn't involve rewards and making things easier is that it gave something to do, and where the bar for quality is varies from person to person. So it's good to consider what the developers who had to present it seem to think and feel about it.
Is it known howmany DWE2 CMDRs finished up in Beagle Point?
I remember very well your agreement with putting the ADS back in.
Which is why it’s odd that you continue to make the case against doing so.
You seem conflicted.
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