ANNOUNCEMENT Community Update (22/10)

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Riverside

Riverside
sollisb said:
EDIT: I never mentioned the word or term.. 'con'. They are certainly using a technicality to overcome a certain dimension of consumer law, but in my view it wouldn't stand up in court. So forget the 'con' bit. Fact is, you agreed to their terms when you pressed 'pay now' or whatever the medium was.
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Just seen your edit.

No I don't think it's a con or a scam, I just think they tried & it hasn't worked out, or isn't going to. In order for the LEP to make sense I'm expecting something like 3-4 full sized premium expansions, and at this late stage of development I think we'll be lucky to see one 'full sized' premium expansion. I'm not waiting to see what it is before deciding I don't want it, I'll almost certainly buy any future expansions anyway. But that trust Frontier engendered in 2015 has been mostly lost, there is no longer a reasonable expectation that my 2015 LEP purchase will come good within the anticipated lifetime of the game.


I find it a bit frustrating that people think I am bitter over this, I'm not. It is a sticking point though, and it can be solved by good communication or (for me at least) just returning that extra money.
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
For the price I paid for my 2015 LEP (£93) just one more paid expansion is needed for me to be 'up' on buying expansions and Black Friday paint jobs separately. New Era, woop!
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Lifetime Expansion Pass

The Lifetime Expansion Pass or LEP is a content pass for Elite Dangerous that includes ownership of any and all expansions produced for the game, plus access to all betas and a selection of cosmetic Livery items. The LEP was included as a backer reward for purchasers of the £80 "Digital Download...
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The early-development buyers (2012 to 2014) of the LEP got even better value, nicely played :)
 
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IndigoWyrd

IndigoWyrd
Riverside said:
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I'll skip the diatribe on why British law isn't worth the paper it's printed on, or why liberalism should be a crime, because that's not going to get us anywhere, and just say that whining about not having received what has not yet been produced is even more ridiculous than both of these combined, with extra ridiculous left over.

Just think about that for a long minute - whining about not receiving what has not yet been produced.
 

Riverside

Riverside
StuartGT said:
For the price I paid for my 2015 LEP (£93) just one more paid expansion is needed for me to be 'up' on buying expansions and Black Friday paint jobs separately. New Era, woop!
elite-dangerous.fandom.com

Lifetime Expansion Pass

The Lifetime Expansion Pass or LEP is a content pass for Elite Dangerous that includes ownership of any and all expansions produced for the game, plus access to all betas and a selection of cosmetic Livery items. The LEP was included as a backer reward for purchasers of the £80 "Digital Download...
elite-dangerous.fandom.com elite-dangerous.fandom.com

The early-development buyers (2012 to 2014) of the LEP got even better value, nicely played :)
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Yeah the amount of unredeemed value is different for different people. From previous conversations I think mine represents the worst case scenario - I paid £120 as an existing owner of the base game.
 

Riverside

Riverside
IndigoWyrd said:
I'll skip the diatribe on why British law isn't worth the paper it's printed on, or why liberalism should be a crime, because that's not going to get us anywhere, and just say that whining about not having received what has not yet been produced is even more ridiculous than both of these combined, with extra ridiculous left over.

Just think about that for a long minute - whining about not receiving what has not yet been produced.
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Fortunately this has no effect on you whatsoever though, so isn't really worth you getting frothy about :) I'm not whining, I'm stating my position for clarity. You don't have to agree.
 

[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
IndigoWyrd said:
I'll skip the diatribe on why British law isn't worth the paper it's printed on, or why liberalism should be a crime, because that's not going to get us anywhere, and just say that whining about not having received what has not yet been produced is even more ridiculous than both of these combined, with extra ridiculous left over.

Just think about that for a long minute - whining about not receiving what has not yet been produced.
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Maybe if they actually produced content, instead of implying they will, less people would be upset.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
IndigoWyrd said:
I'll skip the diatribe on why British law isn't worth the paper it's printed on, or why liberalism should be a crime, because that's not going to get us anywhere, and just say that whining about not having received what has not yet been produced is even more ridiculous than both of these combined, with extra ridiculous left over.

Just think about that for a long minute - whining about not receiving what has not yet been produced.
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I'd like to be a fly on the wall of a lawyers office as someone tried explaining the lifetime of the product the 'contentious' LEP relates to wasn't actually over yet. Actually it might be funnier to be watching the pavement outside.

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Maybe if they actually produced content, instead of implying they will, less people would be upset.
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They delayed it in favour of bug fixing due to all the whinging IIRC.
 

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Riverside said:
So you are saying Frontier deliberately conned their players on a technicality? I don't agree with this view.

I'm just looking to revert my account back to a non-LEP one. I don't see how the distinction between a product and a service has any impact if the goods or services have not yet been delivered, and there is no handling fee to consider either.
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I never bought an LEP, and I am very glad I did not. The financial types will be able to tell you when all the LEP income will have been amortized, and the drop dead date/current value of one.
 

Skip Rockbounder

Skip Rockbounder
Stigbob said:
I'd like to be a fly on the wall of a lawyers office as someone tried explaining the lifetime of the product the 'contentious' LEP relates to wasn't actually over yet. Actually it might be funnier to be watching the pavement outside.



They delayed it in favour of bug fixing due to all the whinging IIRC.
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Yeah, the bugs that should have been ironed out in a beta...
 

[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
Stigbob said:
I'd like to be a fly on the wall of a lawyers office as someone tried explaining the lifetime of the product the 'contentious' LEP relates to wasn't actually over yet. Actually it might be funnier to be watching the pavement outside.



They delayed it in favour of bug fixing due to all the whinging IIRC.
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Bug fixes years in neglect. Again if they did what they should have been doing no one would be saying they didn't.

Also, didn't they announce fleet carriers 2 years ago? Before all the new bugs that ARX put into game?
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Skip Rockbounder said:
Yeah, the bugs that should have been ironed out in a beta...
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Been there done that. ED beta's are absolutely pointless. People whine about their usual personal bugbears/wishlists, whine about FDEV's decisions, test out ships they can't afford/don't have access to and that's about it. Oh and they complain constantly before during and after that progress doesn't carry over.

Which is probably why FDEV ditched them. I prefer the live fixes they've been doing more recently.

The forum gets funny though.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Ralph Vargr said:
I never bought an LEP, and I am very glad I did not. The financial types will be able to tell you when all the LEP income will have been amortized, and the drop dead date/current value of one.
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Yeah. I'm not an accountant, I just bought a game I like and I'm chasing up progress on the stuff they said they were doing and I've already paid for, and offering a simple alternative in the absence of those updates (or product/service).
 

Riverside

Riverside
Yaffle said:
Stay on topic.- that of the Community Update

Don't insult or snipe.

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Yaffle, this is the most appropriate place for this discussion in my view, it is why I brought it here. If you would prefer it take place in another thread please recommend one.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Will Flanagan said:
The team have been hard at work on the next major milestone, which you may remember we mentioned back in March as our next major paid addition to the game. They’re making fantastic progress and on schedule for release by the end of next year. We are very excited to show you what we’ve been working on. However, we can only announce the content when it’s at the right stage of development, we estimate this will be ready to talk about at some time in summer 2020, after the Fleet Carriers update. We appreciate there is a bit of a wait, but we want to make sure it is ready to be shown before making our full official announcement to the world.
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This bit where FDev has nothing to announce at this time.

This is why this conversation is on-topic.
 
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