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I don't think you can opt-in or out of GDPR as it's an active law and covers data gathering, handling and dissemination. You have to opt-in to allowing the company involved to use the data beyond its original purpose. (not lawyer)
Close enough for (non)government issue.

You don't opt in or out of the law, as such, but rather you can choose to opt in to letting a legal entity handle your personal data (which is defined pretty broadly in the GDPR, which is why many US sites simply geofence any EU IP:s — they want to track user activity, per IP or some other identifying data point, but don't want the hassle of setting up a system that gives the user control of that tracking… so they just bar the user completely).

The problem here is that it is imperatively and explicitly the individual who must actively choose to give the entity the right to handle the data. The entity pre-approving themselves would probably be dealt with more harshly than not asking for approval at all: it suggest that you were aware of the rules, but chose to try to circumvent them. You've skipped right past ignorance and gone straight for malice at that point. There are some exceptions, such as direct advertising, where the advertiser has the right to collect data for the purpose of identifying potential customers, providing they forget about it the second the ads have been sent or the customer tells them to stop. CI¬G is not a direct-advertising firm; this exception does not apply.

That said, reports have that it appears non-checked for many without any action on their part, and that this was just a single code rollout that went slightly awry and was quickly fixed, but still… when you're dealing with GDPR features, you really want to double-check your work, or it will hurt. A lot.
 
Close enough for (non)government issue.

You don't opt in or out of the law, as such, but rather you can choose to opt in to letting a legal entity handle your personal data (which is defined pretty broadly in the GDPR, which is why many US sites simply geofence any EU IP:s — they want to track user activity, per IP or some other identifying data point, but don't want the hassle of setting up a system that gives the user control of that tracking… so they just bar the user completely).

The problem here is that it is imperatively and explicitly the individual who must actively choose to give the entity the right to handle the data. The entity pre-approving themselves would probably be dealt with more harshly than not asking for approval at all: it suggest that you were aware of the rules, but chose to try to circumvent them. You've skipped right past ignorance and gone straight for malice at that point. There are some exceptions, such as direct advertising, where the advertiser has the right to collect data for the purpose of identifying potential customers, providing they forget about it the second the ads have been sent or the customer tells them to stop. CI¬G is not a direct-advertising firm; this exception does not apply.

That said, reports have that it appears non-checked for many without any action on their part, and that this was just a single code rollout that went slightly awry and was quickly fixed, but still… when you're dealing with GDPR features, you really want to double-check your work, or it will hurt. A lot.
Oh yea? Good luck determining the right entity to submit the order, to.
 
Oh yea? Good luck determining the right entity to submit the order, to.
That the beautiful thing — that entity spaghetti won't actually save CI¬G, just make it worse.

“Hey, I see here you're using my data without permission… please stop.”
“Nuh-uh, it's those guys who are using your data!”
“Oh, so why is your name on the page? Are you the data controller or processor?”
“Uhm…”
“Please give me your data source, your data protection officer, all the data you have on me, and also cite the lawful basis for the data appearing on your site.”
“Nuh-uh, it's those guys who are usi…” <FINED> “…I mean, here you go, please stop!”

… repeat with each entity provided, doubly so if they keep trying to pass the buck, in which case they lied about being controller or processor and just elevated themselves to a higher tier of fines; triply so if it turns out that the next entity has the same principals and officers as the first one, meaning they're trying to equivocate about a distinction between controller and processor that isn't actually there.

Put another way, it has enough provisions to catch passing-the-buck shenanigans that even the Google legal team couldn't work their way around being fined for having insufficiently transparent user data control structures. A Hollywood golf hustler isn't going to fare much better with just a couple of dozen shell companies at his disposal.
 
That the beautiful thing — that entity spaghetti won't actually save CI¬G, just make it worse.

“Hey, I see here you're using my data without permission… please stop.”
“Nuh-uh, it's those guys who are using your data!”
“Oh, so why is your name on the page? Are you the data controller or processor?”
“Uhm…”
“Please give me your data source, your data protection officer, all the data you have on me, and also cite the lawful basis for the data appearing on your site.”
“Nuh-uh, it's those guys who are usi…” <FINED> “…I mean, here you go, please stop!”

… repeat with each entity provided, doubly so if they keep trying to pass the buck, in which case they lied about being controller or processor and just elevated themselves to a higher tier of fines; triply so if it turns out that the next entity has the same principals and officers as the first one, meaning they're trying to equivocate about a distinction between controller and processor that isn't actually there.

Put another way, it has enough provisions to catch passing-the-buck shenanigans that even the Google legal team couldn't work their way around being fined for having insufficiently transparent user data control structures. A Hollywood golf hustler isn't going to fare much better with just a couple of dozen shell companies at his disposal.

For those people who don't know, the real fun of GDPR is that it is applied to and and all identifiable data. You hold an email list? Affected. A list of names? Affected. You run an online forum? Affected.

I work on mainly internal-facing systems for my employer. Even the setting up of user access roles (for EU users) falls under GDPR. Being a multinational most of the controls are centrally administered, and our internal policies match the most stringent global laws so that we don't get caught out. The US Sarbanes-Oxley anti-corruption laws were also a ballache to implement ~10 years back, but tbh as we had those in place a lot of GDPR was already covered. Well, that and having to stick to UK data protection law which GDPR was largely based on. We also have to make sure that our suppliers are compliant if needed, and our clients need to make sure that we are if we handle any data.

It's all fun & games!
 
What has happened to racing in SC? Its going to look increasingly bad for CiG now that after CR talking about racing mechanics FD will be building an entire game about racing in the time allotted. How many games does that make now FD have done in the same time?
 
What has happened to racing in SC? Its going to look increasingly bad for CiG now that after CR talking about racing mechanics FD will be building an entire game about racing in the time allotted. How many games does that make now FD have done in the same time?
Hm, ED, Planet Coaster, Planet Zoo and that racing game? 4. But they're not rolled in one game, so it doesn't count. Gotta cram it into 1 game. With legs. And persistence. Whatever that means, probably to do with the frequency of encountering bugs.
 
What has happened to racing in SC? Its going to look increasingly bad for CiG now that after CR talking about racing mechanics FD will be building an entire game about racing in the time allotted. How many games does that make now FD have done in the same time?

Isn't it racing management game though? Not actual driving...?

As for in SC, yeah, there is (or was, i remember it being broke at one point, not sure if fixed) a race you can do on a planet.
 

Reading more its race management though, so CiG are safe for a bit.

I really, really want CiG to make more of the racing though. I felt a twinge looking at some of the racing ships and then having them carted about like in F1.

Must....resist.....pledge page...
 
Star Citizen has had a racing mode for years now.

It's been dead for years now, too. I think the datamined stats (from the public leaderboards) for it show something like 1 or 2 people per hour concurrent.
 
Star Citizen has had a racing mode for years now.

It's been dead for years now, too. I think the datamined stats (from the public leaderboards) for it show something like 1 or 2 people per hour concurrent.

I mean, hnnnnnggggghhh

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I wonder if the racing paints for ED were a sly nod to us?
 
Star Citizen has had a racing mode for years now.

It's been dead for years now, too. I think the datamined stats (from the public leaderboards) for it show something like 1 or 2 people per hour concurrent.

There is also that racing mission thing you can do on a planet as i recall. Or there was. Tier 0 probably.

I remember some backer raving on about how they could do it in SC and its not possible to do timed waypoint to waypoint races in ED (through the game engine of course, got to ensure the critera perfectly align with SC and exclude anything else).

They refused to discuss with me what ED does that SC doesn't... real shame that.
 
There is also that racing mission thing you can do on a planet as i recall. Or there was. Tier 0 probably.

I remember some backer raving on about how they could do it in SC and its not possible to do timed waypoint to waypoint races in ED (through the game engine of course, got to ensure the critera perfectly align with SC and exclude anything else).

They refused to discuss with me what ED does that SC doesn't... real shame that.
I guess you could do racing through waypoints in that new ED tutorial, but it'd be kinda stretching it. OTOH, what doesn't SC stretch? =w=
 
Reading more its race management though, so CiG are safe for a bit.

I really, really want CiG to make more of the racing though. I felt a twinge looking at some of the racing ships and then having them carted about like in F1.

Must....resist.....pledge page...
Oh...

Ain't racing totally dependent of a good and consistent flight model and of finely tuned balance between ships? AKA "pigs will fly" release date then.
 
There is also that racing mission thing you can do on a planet as i recall. Or there was. Tier 0 probably.

Oh yeah, what the hell happened to that?

So it seems there were racetracks.

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But they are now 'by the wayside' because the prog gen surfaces kept breaking them.

Apparently there is also a race track around Grim Hex. Which also does not work.

But then they brought in 'scramble races' instead with 3.4, which were 'equal parts harrowing and hilarious' and 'will be expanded later':

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A17wE2vPy1c&t=2m22s

They didn't work particularly well in PTU. And then got 'temporarily disabled' in 3.7

But they do seem to be in the game currently. Although that was one of the few vids from the last 6 months I could find.

This whole game is a memory hole...
 
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