I've seen some pretty wild speculation getting thrown around concerning death tolls on this forum (and everywhere else for that matter). And regarding your comment about rebuilding economies: the resulting death tolls from shattered economies will exceed that of coronavirus, if they get beat down far enough.
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Hmmm, if you happen to be one of Lysan's neighbours, I'd advise not popping round if you run out of sugar...unless you have a Kevlar bodysuit!
In 2010 25,000 people died of flu/pneumonia in the UK but many thousands more had a categorised cause of death related to their primary underlying health issues even though common viruses overwhelmed their immune systems. In the same year, almost 70,000 people officially died of terminal pulmonary illnesses, however a very large proportion (pick a %) of those actually succumbed to some kind of viral infection; this is the most common cause of death with COPD or IPF, for example. This is always the case...flu actually inflicts the final blow with many chronic conditions but only now, thanks to the visible media-driven extant crisis will ALL associated deaths be attributable to Covid-19!
The bottom line is that if & when otherwise healthy people start dropping dead en masse...then that really is the apposite time to use up your hoarded stock of Pampers.
Disclaimer: I'm 29 - I might be a touch complacent.
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If those 5% would include my 76 yo dad, i would suffer and mourn him, but i will get over it
But if it would include my 23 yo daughter, mugged, d and killed in the street by starving thugs it would be much much worse.
That is not true. But I guess the 'media so evil' sloganeering is important to some.
Is... is that a worst case scenario prediction from you? I can counter that with: the economy won't exist if total number of casualties is high enough, but neither seem to be based upon solid models.
Does this also count as a wild prediction? Btw, 50% of people in ICU are below 50 years old. This is not just bad news for old folk...
One day later, we got to 217 confirmed cases.
Some already cured and out of the hospital, but the vast majority still hospitalized with easy/mild symptoms.
4 cases in Intensive Care, stable tho - no induced coma and no respirators needed
Apparently our elders were rather spared.
Age breakdown of the confirmed, for the number crunchers:
0-9 yo - 4 (2%)
10-19 yo - 8 (4%)
20-29 yo - 30 (14%)
30-39 yo - 53 (24%)
40-49 yo - 60 (28%)
50-59 yo - 44 (20%)
60-69 yo - 11 (5%)
70-79 yo - 7 (3%)
80 yo - 0 (0%)
I'm also appreciative of Rand's work, but was a bit disappointed that she never got to the logical end-goal of Capitalism which is altruism.
Hayek's Road to Serfdom and his Constitution on Liberty do a better job of emphasizing the dilution of moral capital by socialism.
All political systems ultimately do not solve the Pareto effect.
It can only be assuaged through moral capital.
50% of people in ICU are under 50? That I'm going to have to see a report on, because it doesn't even remotely reflect any information I've even heard or read anywhere.
^This . In Germany, it very much looks like only death caused by CoViD-19 gets reported . The legalese is not 100% clear, but thats how I read it now .
in case someone who understands German wants to have a look at it . To be able to interpret this text correctly, you need to know that the nomenclature globally in use now - Virus = SARS - CoV -2, pneumonic disease caused by the Virus and killing people outright = CoViD - 19 - has been established AFTER the linked legal Text was introduced in Germany .
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I saw that stat the other day, it was from France IIRC
Wow, you're good at reading between the lines; I have no axe to grind with the "evil media"! This is simply how the Press works!
One of the experts on the morning WH briefing specifically stated that she is hoping to get reliable data on just this sort of breakdown.
If someone else has beat them to it - hat's off - most impressive.
No, that could never happen. You do agree with me though.
Ah, and we had another "idiot" case today
A dude confirmed Covid-19 by Spanish medical care (he was actually carring the papers advising him to self-isolate) and showing the symptoms, managed to board a flight home from Madrid - a plane that had 60 other passengers.
He and everyone else on the plane was quarantined.
He also has criminal changes filed against him
How can this be contained?
Edit: Heard that americans are stockpiling ammo and weapons... quite happy that we in Europe are having a harder time with the weapons permits, cause i would be really tempted to shot down the idiot.
A dude confirmed Covid-19 by Spanish medical care (he was actually carring the papers advising him to self-isolate) and showing the symptoms, managed to board a flight home from Madrid - a plane that had 60 other passengers.
He and everyone else on the plane was quarantined.
He also has criminal changes filed against him
How can this be contained?
Edit: Heard that americans are stockpiling ammo and weapons... quite happy that we in Europe are having a harder time with the weapons permits, cause i would be really tempted to shot down the idiot.
Same in Netherlands, will see if I can find something not in Dutch.
edit: https://translate.google.com/transl...intensive-care-corona-patienten-bedden-longen
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