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Combat logging no longer an exploit? * trigger warning *
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Given that combat logging is the act of exiting the game by alt-F4 (or in my case on console, exiting the application), pulling the network cable or power supply, then no, never.
That is combat logging. What you're describing with the countdown, regardless of what it is, is menu logging. This is different in the eyes of Frontier. Yes I have done that, I'll admit to being lazy about not jumping to a different guardian site when one runs out of sources for epsilon pattern data. In combat, again, never.
The OP has posted a link to the original quote by Sandro. But as the OP explains the post has been removed. This is due to the transfer of the old forum to the new one, unifying all game forums to one Frontier forum. Some posts have been removed for reasons that are unknown to me. What you might or might not find will be quotes of quotes at best but to answer your question directly: no, I can't give you (another) link with a still online post as the original quote by Sandro has been taken down and no longer exists. I can merely confirm the OP's statement with my knowledge and long lasting presence in this forum and game.
Web Archive has it!
Combat Logging: Update
Hello Commanders! This is a quick update to let you guys know what were looking at regarding the issue of combat logging. For claritys sake, combat logging is when a Commander ungracefully exits the game (e.g. using ALT + F4 then shutting down the game process) to avoid defeat, destruction...
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It's right here, these points in the EULA still apply to combat logging via force quitting the game without using the technology built in place to exit gracefully; applicable point bolded:
Force quitting violates both of these. The game has implemented technology (code designed this way) to force people that want to quit that have been in combat wait 15 seconds. Any software or manual action that aborts this technology control (i.e. Alt-F4, pulling the ethernet cable, etc. - ANYTHING but using the menu log out option) is in violation.
You must abide by the game rules, even when quitting, or you are in violation of 3. G. if you are a solo player or both 3.G and 4.4. if you are playing in Open.
Force quitting violates both of these. The game has implemented technology (code designed this way) to force people that want to quit that have been in combat wait 15 seconds. Any software or manual action that aborts this technology control (i.e. Alt-F4, pulling the ethernet cable, etc. - ANYTHING but using the menu log out option) is in violation.
You must abide by the game rules, even when quitting, or you are in violation of 3. G. if you are a solo player or both 3.G and 4.4. if you are playing in Open.
Combat Logging continues to be considered an exploit.
Lol the trigger warning was for the spelling? "No, it has to be perfect or I cant make sense of the sound and context."
Exiting by game menu, if you can, is legit. Pulling the plug is not. What's there to discus? The only issue is proving it by pattern still isn't fair because of unstable architecture.
This game is such a "don't hurt me" it's not worth enforcing anyway. Roll your eyes and chalk it up.
Exiting by game menu, if you can, is legit. Pulling the plug is not. What's there to discus? The only issue is proving it by pattern still isn't fair because of unstable architecture.
This game is such a "don't hurt me" it's not worth enforcing anyway. Roll your eyes and chalk it up.
The last time i was blown up, i was in a pimp Corvette, with onionhead skin. Unfortunatly it was an AX pimp Corvette with onionhead skin. 4 ships that did not agree with my stance on Thargoids pulled me out of SC and basically blew me up. Fair fu-play to them.
Big scary fish in the pond=better gameplay.
Imo.
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The false equivalence I was referring to is the conflation of anything done via the game itself with what's done wholly outside of the game.
Reasoning that, because another in-game character does something you think is crappy to your in-game character, that it's ok for you to bypass this gameplay by prohibited means, is a crystal clear example of false equivalence. There are very plain differences that you have to ignore to say "if this is ok, then so is this".
The delay is zero when forcibly killing the game task or severing connection some other way.
"Combat logging", as defined by Frontier, and citied in posts by Sandro Sammarco and Zac Antonaci, who were acting in their capacity as Frontier employees, in about a half dozen posts in this thread, is bypassing the timer.
I'd also argue that conflating using the timer, which is intrinsically out-of-character, to bypass contextually in-character events, is also a clear cut example of false equivalence, even if it's not prohibited behavior. However, this is not what "combat logging" is referring to, nor was the specific example I was refering to when I pointed out your original false equivalence (which may well have been unintentional on your part, due to your ignorance of the terminology used by Frontier and this thread).
The answer has been posted at least once, every page.
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I can understand that people want to do "something" in the game and that something is mindlessly killing other players.
It is fine when you carry cargo - pirates.
Also fine when you invade some powerplay system - defending ships.
But blowing up "mostly harmless" randoms in cheap ships?
Meh.
I menu logged once.
Then I switched to some useless ship so they can kill me all the time they want.
I would love aspect of the game like pirating/chasing/etc if other players would... do it.
Most of the time is "die slave/grom/fed scum" and shooting without scanning/questioning/stealing cargo.
I mean, what can I do in ASP explorer to imperial cutter?
I hope combat logging will stay until the end of the game (or changing crime and punishment system).
Just to annoy griefers.
It's not here at all, though; what you did is menu logging which is different. We've already found the posts where they differentiated the two, and said menu logging is totally legitimate while combat logging in considered an actionable exploit.
It probably comes down a lot to the mechanics of how the game handles you exiting. If you menu log, you spend 15 seconds taking damage before you log off, with no control over your ship. That's dangerous and has a high chance of you losing your ship, so FDev appears to be fine with it because of that risk. But Combat Logging, as defined by FDev, is the act of ungracefully killing the client, pulling the network plug or cutting power to the machine in combat; that was very specifically called an exploit. The reason for this is that while your ship does remain in the game for a little while, it is indestructible because your client is no longer active to register the damage. If your opponent got you to 15% hull and you combat log, then your ship stays in game at 15% and nothing they throw at it will change that. There's no risk.
So menu logging is likely here to stay. Combat logging is officially an actionable offense, tho there hasn't been much evidence they intend to action do much about it.
Combat logging is frequently a form of griefing that is also regularly used as a tool to facilitate other forms of griefing.
Most of the combat logging, and menu logging to escape consequences, I've seen done in person were done by the agressors and often featured explicitly out of character commentary or outright harassment, before or after the act.
Legitimate players, by definition, do not combat log.
I agree with several of the summaries above.
I agree that clogging is an exploit. I'll never do it. But if anyone did it to me I'd be very pleased and chalk it up as a triumph.
I also don't mind at all that it's possible; I enjoy the fact that it annoys griefers.
I suspect that this almost-dissonance and the associated annoyance are the reasons it keeps coming up for discussion in the forum.
I agree that clogging is an exploit. I'll never do it. But if anyone did it to me I'd be very pleased and chalk it up as a triumph.
I also don't mind at all that it's possible; I enjoy the fact that it annoys griefers.
I suspect that this almost-dissonance and the associated annoyance are the reasons it keeps coming up for discussion in the forum.
Yes, that's the interesting bit.