Do we know that it's even a bug/oversight? Maybe FD have decided now's the time for us to start finding stuff.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Do we know that it's even a bug/oversight? Maybe FD have decided now's the time for us to start finding stuff.
Yes because they fixed it for lft 509
Please don't discuss information gained from data mining on the forums.
Apart from anything else it has lead many people down the wrong path throughout the years of Elite, and if there's one place that doesn't need misinformation spread then it's thise thread. There's enough wacky ideas here as it is
Wacky ideas???
Surely not here!!!
You must be thinking of the Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery thread!!
Not sure if this was really datamining, but still wish I hadn’t read it!
Aaagh!!!
Ah I forgot about that!.
I hope @Ozric is not suggesting my idea of waiting for Oddessy, breaking down the door of Sure Cripple and Sneer and shooting the place up until they tell me how to find "A Friend" is in some way wacky! Wacky!? I'm deeply offended by the suggestion!!!!Wacky ideas???
Surely not here!!!
You must be thinking of the Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery thread!!
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My general rule for ED is.... if it feels grubby - dont do it! I even try to avoid rinse and repeat!
How would we REALLY feel, after hunting the unicorn for so long, if the mystery was solved, TDW joined and Raxxla found.....because someone exploited a bug, as opposed to solving the mystery?
I for one, would be a bit miffed.
How would we REALLY feel, after hunting the unicorn for so long, if the mystery was solved, TDW joined and Raxxla found.....because someone exploited a bug, as opposed to solving the mystery?
I for one, would be a bit miffed.
Hmmm.......this philosophy probably explains why I have 32 weeks in-game time but still only double elite, without enough money to buy a FC
If it's permit locked with no possible way to unlock that permit, there technically wouldn't be anything to find until the devs deemed it time.
I won't bring it up here anymore though. I can see how it is viewed an exploit.
Please don't discuss information gained from data mining on the forums.
Apart from anything else it has lead many people down the wrong path throughout the years of Elite, and if there's one place that doesn't need misinformation spread then it's thise thread. There's enough wacky ideas here as it is
is a Mod saying the map to LFT 509 was data-mined? LOL
I was skeptical already, but a mod physically saying that, would make me believe it more, that its not a valid map, no matter how it was supposedly obtained...
I asked my buddie who bought an FC to go out there and check it out, he hasnt gotten back to me, I dont know if hes made it or not, but im expecting a response today...
I know people like to say they did things a certain way, and claim to have done them personally, but i dont trust anything someone is not willing to back with with proof of some kind...
So far we have a system map img, and a story.... not even a video clip showing the CMDR going from the galmap to the system map in question... and no confrimation on EDSM, where the system map would sync had it been viewed by a player using EDSM (in my opinion)... just too suspicious for me personally....
NOT TO EVEN MENTION, without an FSS of the system, its unlikely the map would have shown all the planets/moons in the system, because absolutely NO PLAYERS have been there, so even purchasing the data should show nothing but the stars maybe, becuase the "Stellar Forge" does not generate the system contents until its "entered" for the first time (as far as Im aware), and if its a hand crafted system or if purchasing the map data counts as "entering" the system, than it should sync to EDSM...
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Reporting in. I've checked some persistent crash sites around the Bubble, mostly "unnamed" ones. Even if some of them were absent just after the FC patch now they have returned. My expectations were wrong - all of them "human" once again (so the old technique of signals "count and compare" still must be applied).
So far only two cases of FSS signature "flipping":
1) the "special" one of Mitterand Hollow (hardly the best example), I even plan to revisit it once again (will be the 4th time in 2 weeks)
2) A well known crash site of commander Jameson cobra. But here I have no recorded evidence of the state before the update. At least now it belong to "Other" category (the INRA base in proximity is still "Human")
I also plan to check some other sites.
Don't want to object here, in fact my "alert" do not concern on the possible in game "nature" of Raxxla. Firstly, I must admit here that I'm not a Raxxla hunter myself (more the contrary, "anti-raxxla hunter" if you wish, as, involuntary, I'm more in "closing cases" then in "opening new ones"). My own field of interest concerns mostly understanding of the in-game mechanics. Afaik there are numerous theories about Raxxla or any other in-game mysteries, possible clues and where to search for them. At least some of them do sound "logical" from the common sense. However when they start to rely on some procgenerated in-game locations I'm starting to became skeptical, as for the cloud of proc.generated locations its dimensions/boundaries and center/centers can have some meaning, but I highly doubt the the coordinates of its individual members are of importance. And that is not the case when some handvavium has been applied. So my recent expectations were linked to the appearance of new in-game method to distinguish some procedural and hand-tweaked POI's. However at the moment I can not confirm that situation has significantly changed in this domain.But that’s only true if Raxxla is a POI, which I highly doubt. There is no evidence to support it, the suggestion arose from Holdstock’s TDW novella (“planet with alien artefact”) and Wagar’s Oolite books (hyperspace-capable wandering planet with alien artefact) , the former has been retconned by FD and the latter is fan fiction (though a good read!) and not relevant to ED. And Raxxla has been in-game since gamma release, so well before Horizons, hence it cannot be landable. Raxxla ought, logically, to be an astronomical phenomenon, and sufficiently novel to be a worthwhile find at the completion of a long tedious frustrating search, so I’m mooting an Exotic Star (though it might also be a rogue star wandering between systems, and I reserve the right to be incorrect!!), or perhaps a Diamond Star (good luck getting it back to a market for sale! Though it would probably pay for a fleet of Fleet Carriers!!
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(About wacky ideas)Please don't discuss information gained from data mining on the forums.
Apart from anything else it has lead many people down the wrong path throughout the years of Elite, and if there's one place that doesn't need misinformation spread then it's thise thread. There's enough wacky ideas here as it is
Well, ideas need to come from somewhere.
And let the followers of the wrong flame suffer a bit. It is the best way to learn the truth. And it can be done in a fun immersive way.
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10 March: v1.2 is released. Includes "- Adding valuable salvage convoys to three permitted systems: LFT 509, Isinor, Witch's Reach". Using the wayback machine I was able to find that page was last updated and the above was included in each version. You can't access that page now.
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Sure, ideas need to come from somewhere... BUT
Elite Dangerous EULA (https://www.frontierstore.net/ed-eula/)
Section 3, Licence Restrictions
clearly states
so IF the map was data mined, as the moderator states, than it is a violation of the EULA to have obtained it, and by-extention, discuss it as fact.....
interesting.... does seem to imply that the LFT509 permit is obtainable in some way (or will be in the future), otherwise, why bother adding convys in the system?
Is that March 10 2020 ?? or what year?
Maps were obtained in game by parking your fc close to a permit locked system and buying the exploration data in game.
If that is against the Eula or this forum, then we have some really odd ways to read and understand English
If that is against the Eula or this forum, then we have some really odd ways to read and understand English
It probably falls under 'exploitation of a bug'. Kind of like the free engineering bug exploit.
Sorry meant to include it goes back to 2015. Every time the page is updated it still includes the part about lft 509 having valuable cargo. Was that not around the time of UA being found?
Jacques would fall under that. Gold rushes would fall under that. No,. If fdev didn't want you to buy exploration data from permit locked systems. They could have easily purged the server data.
The whole hidden maps in audio literally required breaking the eula by data mining game files outside of the game.
The whole hidden maps in audio literally required breaking the eula by data mining game files outside of the game.
sure, and i agree with you, theres nothing in the EULA that says you cant use ED supplied features to do things in game.....
but from the standpoint of a fdev moderator (i am not one, just playing devils advocate), there has been nothing but a story about how it was obtained thats been posted. No one has posted a linked video, or somthing with PROOF thats how the map was obtained, so as far as they are concerned, its been data-mined or hoxed or w.e. you choose to call it...
Now, wether its a bug or intended feature or just a mistake, doesnt matter, if you cant or wont back up your claims to how it was obatined, they have the right to assume it was thru a "hack" since its never been possible to obtain those system maps, with all the data shown, and they assume it still isnt, because unvisited systems dont show the entire system contents, even when you first jump in, you need too fss or some cmdr has to have done it and sold the data on UCard, which would mean it would probably be on EDSM, where its not....
there is actually NO rules about that in the EULA, not that i can find atleast..
If its a bug caused by Fdev supplied software/in game content, than its their fault they didnt block or stop the actions, its not considered a ELUA violation, at least, from how I understand the EULA
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