PVP in ED? Enough already, this isn't a PVP game. Forums plugged up, too much.
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It is incredibly simple really
(Note: The following narrative should be considered as 'tongue firmly in cheek' in order to preserve the sense of the ridiculous!)
There are a minority who believe this to be essentially a PvP game - every ship has guns when you buy it! - many of this minority are very skilled players with a wish to encounter similarly skilled opponents, a minority of this group just want to shoot everyone they encounter (all within the remit of the game 'rules' incidentally) and may resent the fact that there are 2 other modes that prospective 'prey' are able to 'hide' in.
Tle latter group, in all liklihood, are the ones who wish to eliminate every player who lacks even a passing interest in combat (preferably those without both guns and shields) and scream, in a manner similar to toddlers noticing sweets at the supermarket checkout, for the eradication of other modes and for everyone to be in a 'balanced' open-only environment in order to assuage their lust for 'salt'...
Naturally the opposite group, who really should remain in either of the modes where encounters are to some extent controlled, wish to play in the same cess-pit as the terrible player-killers (don't ask me why!) but to not end up as fodder for their grossly overpowered weaponry... So they scream for the removal of risk to themselves while playing in the poopoo...
That is it essentially - each group considers the other to be trash...
But, herein lies the rub... We have 3 modes, 2 of them are 'safe' (there have been 'incidents' in mobius, but I digress...) and the 3rd is full-on potential to meet someone with less than peaceful intentions... Choosing the sole mode where anyone can blow anyone else up whilst not wishing for potentially violent encounters appears somewhat counter-productive to me - but what would I know?
No, that’s not the case. I remember the Premium Beta phase in mid-2014 which was only half a dozen systems and open-only: it was a Wild West in terms of PvP (although it was still avoidable to a degree). I’ve never really been into PvP and I imagine many other commanders from that period weren’t/aren’t either. But some were very much into it, and it was widely accepted that PvP was a part of the game but in no way the main purpose of the game. In the end I was grateful I wouldn’t be stuck with the open-only configuration of those early days when the game went gold (even though I did a few times enjoy a bit of rumble - it was not something I wanted to do long term).
The point is, right from the beginning (alpha/beta/gamma), it was known and accepted that PvP was a part of Elite (even if just a small part), and I think a number of backers (not me) relished the idea of it.
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, Kumo Burgers, Beam Lasers and PA's (even on their explorer ships) but has forgotten what they are for...
I think you're a bit off the mark here. We know (from FDev) that Open is the most popular/populated mode. If you look at the long duree of posting, both 'sides' seem to be looking for a discussion with similar frequency.
There are ebbs and flows, but historically there have been similar amounts from both 'sides' , each of which are actually much smaller than the majority.
One the one hand, there are semi-regular posts complaining about ganking in Open, which always leads to a discussion of modes/PvP/game balance, and the usual handful calling for a dedicated PvE server.
On the other hand there are semi-regular posts complaining about clogging & BGS from solo, which always leads to a discussion of modes/PvP/game balance, and the usual handful calling for a Open Only.
Then there is the rest of us, the majority, who just get on with enjoying the game as it is, even if we all (might) feel there are some flaws/issues/things that could have been done better.
It is incredibly simple really
(Note: The following narrative should be considered as 'tongue firmly in cheek' in order to preserve the sense of the ridiculous!)
There are a minority who believe this to be essentially a PvP game - every ship has guns when you buy it! - many of this minority are very skilled players with a wish to encounter similarly skilled opponents, a minority of this group just want to shoot everyone they encounter (all within the remit of the game 'rules' incidentally) and may resent the fact that there are 2 other modes that prospective 'prey' are able to 'hide' in.
Tle latter group, in all liklihood, are the ones who wish to eliminate every player who lacks even a passing interest in combat (preferably those without both guns and shields) and scream, in a manner similar to toddlers noticing sweets at the supermarket checkout, for the eradication of other modes and for everyone to be in a 'balanced' open-only environment in order to assuage their lust for 'salt'...
Naturally the opposite group, who really should remain in either of the modes where encounters are to some extent controlled, wish to play in the same cess-pit as the terrible player-killers (don't ask me why!) but to not end up as fodder for their grossly overpowered weaponry... So they scream for the removal of risk to themselves while playing in the poopoo...
That is it essentially - each group considers the other to be trash...
But, herein lies the rub... We have 3 modes, 2 of them are 'safe' (there have been 'incidents' in mobius, but I digress...) and the 3rd is full-on potential to meet someone with less than peaceful intentions... Choosing the sole mode where anyone can blow anyone else up whilst not wishing for potentially violent encounters appears somewhat counter-productive to me - but what would I know?
well, what i've expected ... and more
thank you
It was a light-hearted look at a 'favourite' subject for the forum.well, what i've expected ... and more
thank you
I play 3 accounts and see both sides of the story in my play - but always select the mode most suited to which I'm playing - my main is in open 99.5% of the time (doing surface collections, e.g. Thargoid / Guardian sites is most productive in Solo) the other 2 just do 'whatever' and have fun.
I'd suggest you do the same, pick your mode depending on mood... Do whatever you consider to be fun and enjoy this great game
ok, learned something again, my feeling was purely subjective concerning the camps.
Ok, I count myself definitely to the "rest of you / us"
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When you figure out pvp come find me. It shouldn't be too much of a challenge since your a master of the dark arts.
It was a light-hearted look at a 'favourite' subject for the forum.
haha, what have I gotten myself into again?
I'm more the 80% solo / 20% open kind of guy, but exactly, that's what it's all (should be) about
although I don't want to trample on the minorities, I can understand some things, but it's difficult and pointless when every argument, no matter how strange, is used and it's no longer about real improvements for all players
Yes, you are right, still, my point being, the game feels like a single player game that someone loaded on to an mmo server with freindly fire off. there is no signs the game was designed or balanced to accomdate pvp, it is just there. even co-op/wing related stuff is exactly the same as single player stuff but 'with friends'. it may be in the game, but if this is mmo 'by design', it's literally the most base effort and no thought. And I really do think this is where this disparity stems and thus these posts.
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I think we might need a new thread to discuss this, we haven't had one in 20mins.
He's still wet behind the ears. Punk kids...
Be kind, it’s just a phase they all go through at that age.
This is all nonsense, what what?
When I purchased my copy of FedEx in space, I mean mining simulator, I mean Somalian pirate simulator, I mean Elite Dangerous. I was assured that it was all about rivers of chocolate and gum drop rainbows?
Well, I feel pretty stupid now, I can tell you what what.
This game delivers everything it said it wouldn't and by jingo, I love it.
One has not spent a significant time away from it that one can remember, what what.
Tatty bye old beans
When I purchased my copy of FedEx in space, I mean mining simulator, I mean Somalian pirate simulator, I mean Elite Dangerous. I was assured that it was all about rivers of chocolate and gum drop rainbows?
Well, I feel pretty stupid now, I can tell you what what.
This game delivers everything it said it wouldn't and by jingo, I love it.
One has not spent a significant time away from it that one can remember, what what.
Tatty bye old beans
Remember the Hitchhiker’s thing, the answer to life is 42? I think it may actually be 37.
Seems like OP is saying that PvP which isnt perfectly balanced at the time of the fight isnt PvP.
It is. Some people like being able to win before the game starts by making better loadout choices / being higher level / whatever. Its a different type of PvP, sure, but its still Player Vs Player. As long as no one is cheating and everyone is playing by the same rules, its fair (and i get the point about ganking new players, its not cool and tbh games need to build in protection from it). Ive had more fun in open world PvP games (which are NEVER balanced) than ive ever had in truly 'fair' PvP games (mostly FPS / RTS games)
It is. Some people like being able to win before the game starts by making better loadout choices / being higher level / whatever. Its a different type of PvP, sure, but its still Player Vs Player. As long as no one is cheating and everyone is playing by the same rules, its fair (and i get the point about ganking new players, its not cool and tbh games need to build in protection from it). Ive had more fun in open world PvP games (which are NEVER balanced) than ive ever had in truly 'fair' PvP games (mostly FPS / RTS games)
True, true...
You are right, I am saying that. It's y pvp.
Tell me an ACTUAL pvp game where you can have one player with 100x more hit points and 100x more damage at the same time. Bet you can't. Is there a Fps game where one player can withstand 100x more damage than someone else?
Can you?
That's a stupid question, I already know the answer. PVP in Elite outside of CQC or a pre-organized event is much like PVE in Elite. One side is hopelessly outmatched.
Technically, yes, if a player kills another player, that is PVP. In Elite, it's nearly indiscernable from PVE