It is optional, not absent.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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It is optional, not absent.
My apologies, I'm gonna lose my cool for just one second.
"Gankers just want weak targets". it's a garbage, delusional lie and you guys really need to knock it off and talk to an actual ganker. I'm so sick of hearing this trash.
Literally all the BEST pvpers in the game are gankers, and I do mean all of them. And occasionally, while in search of a legit fight, we'll interdict you in your paper asp and send you to a rebuy screen, then seconds after you die, fight to the death in an insane 1v1.
So like the op did, try talking normally to one of us instead of just making up some false narrative in your head and then spouting your hate on the internet.
You know nothing of gankers motives, you just get mad because you died and then make up.
If you think we're afraid of a challenge, go get all your buddies together and fight me. (I'm in Colonia right now but I'll be back in a week or so).
I will literally 1v4 you and your friends.
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If the only problem with playing in Open were a reasonable expectation of pvp, it wouldn't be a problem at all. If I wander into a war zone and get murdered by the opposing faction, that's on me. If I'm traveling through pirate territory without defenses, that's my bad. But if I'm chilling out in a beluga in Shinrarta Dezhra, a permit-locked, high-sec system, and a dude cruises in with an anaconda, blows me away for no reason, and escapes without consequences, I'm annoyed. If I'm in the home system of my powerplay faction and an enemy faction member can come up to me and assassinate me, I'm annoyed. Because those things make no sense in the framework the game has presented to me.
If someone has been issued a permit to a system, that implies that they can be denied that access if they break the rules. But there is no system for this to take place. If someone kills someone else in a permit locked system, they should lose that permit, at least for a while. Anything else is absolutely unrealistic.
If someone assassinates someone in the territory of a faction, they should lose access to that faction's territory for a significant period of time. There should be costs to actions like those, costs more severe than a few hours afk and a few thousand credits at the factor.
While all of that sounds really cool, and probably a more fun game to play, unfortunately we have to play the hand (game) we've been dealt.
1v1 is not ganking.
1v4 with the 1 being completely helpless against the 4, which are full on murdermachines which can alone already melt the helpless victim in less than 5 seconds as it is. 4 of them making it darn near instant.
So tell me what "ganking" means again?
1v1 can totally be ganking. If I'm in a beluga hauling passengers from a burning station and a guy shows in an engineered FDL to kill me, I'm gonna die and there's nothing I can do to prevent it from happening.
The key aspects of ganking is that the ganker doesn't get anything out of it, and the gankee can't do anything to stop it. If a pirate demands 10t of ltds, that's not ganking. If someone goes into enemy territory, that's not ganking. If you're in a high security system minding your own business and you get blown away for no reason, that's ganking.
Uhh, if one player is in, let's say, a Krait with five fully g5-ed frag cannons with double shot & screening shell, and the other player is in a shieldless Type-6, I can tell you from experience that one player is going to the rebuy screen in about 20 seconds or less.
And it won't be the player in the Krait.
Most players, including gankers, would consider that a gank.
Same here.
Somehow I always end up being the Thargon dude while other take care of the rest. Anyway.
I don't play much in open other than AX hunting.
And I've met a few good friends while mining in Borann, when wing laser mining was still a thing.
Else I don't care much about the PvP part of the game. At all!
I can call a goose a television, but it doesn't make it one
I don't think you understand what ganking means.
gank - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
(transitive, Internet, online gaming, slang) To kill much weaker players in an online video game in such a way that they cannot defend themselves. Common methods include attacking in much greater numbers or taking a well-equipped high-level character to assault players in a starting area.
And this is, once again, at the core of my interest in starting the thread.
I get that there are players who would prefer to be non-combatants, but - without meaning to sound lecturing at all - it seems that FDev have decided not to accommodate that desire, certainly not in any meaningful way, in the Open game mode.
It seems that the way Open has been implemented means that "anything goes," literally all the time. And even knowing that, it seems that players who are by choice non-combative still choose to play in Open, despite the risks.
This thread was started so I and others could better understand that line of thinking, and the goals of those who wish to participate in Open in that manner.
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I play mostly in open, just cos it's easier to meet folks and go racing or hooning about. I've met lots of people that way and it's been cool.
I don't do combat very often, and never pvp combat, but don't have any hassle with gankers or griefers etc. I pay em zero attention, and they pretty much ignore me too.
If I actively want to avoid that jazz, I'll use a pg or solo for rare engineering trips etc, cos then I can't even be bothered with interactions. Likewise if actually racing at Farseer or something, I'll use PG to remove distractions and focus on the task.
I don't do combat very often, and never pvp combat, but don't have any hassle with gankers or griefers etc. I pay em zero attention, and they pretty much ignore me too.
If I actively want to avoid that jazz, I'll use a pg or solo for rare engineering trips etc, cos then I can't even be bothered with interactions. Likewise if actually racing at Farseer or something, I'll use PG to remove distractions and focus on the task.
Don't get me wrong. I'd really love to PvP in this game. Buut...the C&P system is...
I'm sorry, I've been spoiled by Star Citizen's method of in-game C&P and its jails gameplay.
Why can't Elite: Dangerous have this? I can't PvP in this game with the way it is now, it's so Fing boring. I Love big ship slugfests but some of those fights I've seen reach as long as 15-20 minutes for just one fight. And it's all just jousting, no nuance or any other way of doing so.
I've never really played World of Warcraft beyond a couple hours on a free account, but my understanding is that there's something called a "Warflag" or somesuch, and it's something that a player can turn on or off at certain designated locations. The flag itself is a toggle that allows them to participate in PVP. If it's "on", PVP can happen (much like Open play in Elite), whereas if it's off, the player cannot attack or be attacked by other players.
The big difference, of course, is that in WoW, regardless of your Warflag setting, you are in the same shared space as other players. I.e. you can go to the pub and do emotes together, or whatever the heck it is that people do in WoW when they aren't doing fetch quests (did I mention I only played a couple hours, LOL)
Anyways, for whatever reason, in Elite there's no ability to see other CMDRs randomly unless you're either playing in Open, or in a very large Private Group. Obviously, if you're in Open, the other players can PVP you if they want, and you can do the same. If you're in a PG, I suppose it depends on the group's rules, how strictly they enforce them, and how invested you are in continuing to be a member.
So anyways, yes I too take advantage of PGs and Solo mode when I'm working on progress that I don't want to put at risk. It's a game feature literally created for the purpose, at least as far as I can tell. I then take that progress - be it unlocking an engineer, whatever - and use it to upgrade my ship, which I then take to Open and engage in the rough and tumble of spontaneous emergent gameplay.
The net/net is a lot like in WoW, with the exception that I don't see other players when I'm in Solo or PG. Then again, because of the way instancing works, I often don't see them in Open, either. Le sigh...
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I just like open cos I can see other people then. Its not a risk thing, just interaction. A friendly O7 or some banter etc.
I never consider other pilots as remotely dangerous tbh. Compared to how often I kill myself hitting things, the risks are irrelevant.
Unless it's a time trial, racing is pure pvp and therefore requires folks to race with. PG is fine but hassle, so open is just easier usually.
Well for one thing it feels like you're in a several-thousand tonne stadium-sized warmachine in some of those huge ships and there's no ugly orange. Every ship has their own unique cockpit/bridge designs. As for the flight model, eehhhhh there's a some to be desired. But it feels more proper sci fi and not sci fi trying to act realistic.
doesnt matter what the ganking circumstances are. The "gankers just like easy targets" is just getting old and its nothing more than a delusional heap of trash that people that get ganked make up. Its so untrue and Im sick of hearing it.
Im always down to do legit pvp with you if you want. All the disagreements aside, Id be happy to train you or just do some friendly fights with you. Add me in game if you're interested.
also, you've fought some pretty poor players if all you've done is joust.