Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand

[Bigmaec]

Thanos isn't real. He can't hurt you.

But it hurt me emotionally that he killed half the fictional population of a fictional universe for half a movie... Thanos is a griefer!

I got ganked by a fuel rat multiple times already and I love them for doing it.

I have no idea how you managed that, but a fuel rat on duty won't do it as far as I know their RoE. Maybe one of their BGSers on holidays? Colonia is a well liked holiday resort nowadays.

 

[Just Paul]

I have no idea how you managed that, but a fuel rat on duty won't do it as far as I know their RoE. Maybe one of their BGSers on holidays? Colonia is a well liked holiday resort nowadays.

They are Colonia native and we have some fun sometimes, not then they are on duty of course. They know where the shooty end of their ship is.


Wisdom of the day: Don't judge people by their cover.

 

[Crank Larson]

I tried to be polite, but first, "I don't want to be a copyright violation", and, now, you, both intentionally misrepresent my statements, or, rather, in your case, inject content that I didn't use.

As should have been obvious to anyone with a pulse, I made a comparison that specifically did NOT involve my seniority, in any sense, on the forum. Even the person being "offended" didn't go there.

As to the inference that you are in some way doing Frontier's bidding in fulfilling their game design, again, you lack skill in obfuscation. This is just another attempt at putting responsibility for your game play choices on someone else's doorstep. I said that killing players for the sake of killing players is without in game value. YOU do not get to decide what I find of value in MY gaming experience. As is typical of such falderal, you substitute bluster for actual content.

I seriously suggest you go take a course in Critical Thinking. You currently are coming to a firefight battle of wits armed with spitwads.

Wow. Lots of words. Some of them quite big. And not a sensible sentence among them.

 

[thistle]

What do you hope to accomplish by being so hateful towards people that are simply playing a video game?

I'm not, I'm amused.

 

[Leper Messiah]

In real life that is absolutely the case, but in a video game, hating someone because of the way they play it and calling them names is unacceptable. Especially when said playstyle is approved by the developers.

As Phisto knows I've discussed this very same subject a lot, I've come to accept that you arn't a bunch of murdering halfwits in reality (well not "all" of you are! ). But I will add the caveat, if you play a game a certain way then you HAVE to accept that people will not like you for it, it comes with the territory. If you can't accept the "notoriety" of your actions (game or not) then don't play that way.


editted to add a "real" scenario...you have a pub football team (some may need to google that!), one of the players is very friendly but is VERY harsh at defending, knocking lumps out of the opposition, afterwards he wants a friendly pint with some of those nursing bumps and bruises and can't understand why some tell him to "go fornicate himself". Others accept the offer and have a nice drink and chat.

Of course I'm not expecting you to change your preferred playstyle, but to be fair if you don't expect people to get upset over spaceship pixels then don't get upset over word pixels!

As is typical of such falderal, you substitute bluster for actual content.

+1 for having the rare moment of bringing a word I didn't know to my attention, my lexicon grows!

 

[PeLucheuh]

In truth the only complexities in ED ganking are the creative rationalisations of those involved. I'm going to ruin YOUR experience for MY own gratification, but it's okay because I'm a cheeky chappie, and it's just a game, oh and I can (drum roll ....) TRAIN YOU like the gaming genius I clearly am.

Bwahahaha! Love it.

Prime exemple of creative rationalisation right there.
Is a player experience ruined when he is actually experiencing the game within its rules & mechanics ?

 

[Screemonster]

+1 for having the rare moment of bringing a word I didn't know to my attention, my lexicon grows!

I wouldn't be too impressed considering that he misspelled it.

edit: either that or it's an americanism, but either way the "ho ho ho, battle of wits" thing doesn't make his argument any less pointless.

 

[Deleted member 257907]

is pink/purple somehow related to gankers? i see a lot of purple haired cmdrs here and of course thanos.

 

[Leper Messiah]

I wouldn't be too impressed considering that he misspelled it.

edit: either that or it's an americanism, but either way the "ho ho ho, battle of wits" thing doesn't make his argument any less pointless.

Looking online there's two spellings so I'll take it.

 

[Bigmaec]

is pink/purple somehow related to gankers? i see a lot of purple haired cmdrs here and of course thanos.

I counted two, Danquememe and PeLucheuh. Three, lf you count Ganks, who doesn't even has purple hair ingame...
shrugs
There was a time purple haired clown-face avatars were a certain sign for a ganker, but nowadays not so any more.

 

[Chrystoph]

I tried to make my peace with @Danquememe privately, although I am actually feeling guilty about the mess this has caused his thread. Not because it was ugly, but because it derailed his original intention.

For what it is worth, I left this post overnight to ensure I don't post it tired or too emotionally invested. I've removed everything that I wrote, because it would either be (intentionally?) misinterpreted or used to stirs pots. My parting thought is for @Sir Ganksalot - Take no offense when I say that you weren't worth hating, and I don't.

 

[Red Anders]

I don't see any reason why I should accept it. It's a bad system, and I want to see it changed, as I've said repeatedly. Just because the rules currently exist in a current way does not mean those rules are good.

To use your example, yes, if a car park has those signs they're technically free of liability. But if 50% of cars that are left in that lot get vandalized or stolen, pretty soon the number of people who go there are going to drop off dramatically and income is going to plummet.

There's a reason most games continually edit out methods that make the game unfun for the losing side. Right now, 90% of the power is on the pirate side, which is a ridiculous idea from a gameplay balance perspective.

Because they'll use another car park where there's absolutely no chance of their car getting damaged, right?

Just imagine if the same company owned two other car parks like that...

 

[Bigmaec]

Because they'll use another car park where there's absolutely no chance of their car getting damaged, right?

Just imagine if the same company owned two other car parks like that...

Personally I'd think there should be some kind of incentive to use the car park where damage is possible

 

[Northpin]

There was a time purple haired clown-face avatars were a certain sign for a ganker, but nowadays not so any more.

Pff... and i was studying certain clowny hairstyles... for the times when i get to cross the border

 

[TiberiusDuval]

If you think someone is a jerk for jacking your car in Grand Theft Auto you're a moron.

If this game was pure shooter game, yes it would be moronic to think our common ganker as jerk. As it still is not an pure shooting game, well depends on circumstances. Say someones lurking in Deciat shooting poorly engineered ships all time are in my books jerks. Even if that is allowed by rules. Likewise in real life neighbour starting leafblower at 7 am in Sunday is a jerk, even if that is fully allowed.

 

[Red Anders]

Personally I'd think there should be some kind of incentive to use the car park where damage is possible

As long as you don't keep parking there every day and then being surprised when someone's put a brick through your windscreen again.

 

[Northpin]

Is a player experience ruined when he is actually experiencing the game within its rules & mechanics ?

Could be, yes.
And now i don't mean pvp or ganking or anything in ED.
Just on a absolutely generic level related to the entire online gaming industry.

The game sets up the the rules, Do and Do Not type of things.
But nowhere is said you have to be a Jerk or you have to be Mr Nice-Guy.
That's on the people themselves and some are choosing to be jerks while others are choosing to be genuinely nice.
All those perfectly within the game rules.

 

[Northpin]

Likewise in real life neighbour starting leafblower at 7 am in Sunday is a jerk, even if that is fully allowed.

Yep.
The neighbor living in the flat below mine is working in shifts. And i know that after the night shift he gets home at 7:30am and by 8:00am he's already sleeping until 1-2 pm
The rules say that i have to maintain a certain level of silence between 23pm-7am during night and 1pm-3pm during the day.

Now, i can be a jerk and by 9am i can pick my hammerdrill and make 4 holes in the concrete wall to hang up my new LCD TV.
Or i can be Mr. Nice Guy and wait until later in the afternoon to do that, knowing that i will bother no one this way.
It's up to me and perfectly within the rules.

(Yea, i waited for him to get up, not only because i'm genuinely a nice guy, but also because i decided i could use his help with the task at hand. Some bragging was also involved, but let's not get there)

 

[B1rdy]

Prime exemple of creative rationalisation right there.
Is a player experience ruined when he is actually experiencing the game within its rules & mechanics ?

Interesting question, I'd say yes in general. Depending how strict the game rules are or how open the game is designed. If you ever witnessed a base by mortars or similar remotly operated weapons in any Battlefield game, I am sure you tend to agree. ;-)
However, I disagree, if the bad experience could be mitigated or even converted to the opposite by, in EDs case, flying a ship prepared to withstand an interdiction

 

[Brrokk]

You're all making it too complicated. ED is a game where you can interact with other people. You have partial control over whether they'll like the interaction or not. Your choices reveal something of who you are, although you might also get misjudged. The facts that it's a game, it's on the internet, you're within the rules, etc. are all pretty irrelevant. Playing a game with others is a RL activity.