Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

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I bet all those investors are actually dealing with Ortwin not CR. I didn't know Calder had a history with Ortwin before people mentioned it several pages back, now it's all make sense to me, these investors never invested in any kind of stuffs relating to the game development, they're laundering money there... That's what I'd do if I were Ortwin and Calder and if I could have some guarantee not to easily get into trouble.

The ingredients are all there for this operation to succeed, a front business (game development, hahaha), the leniency of the legal stuffs (backers failed to sue CIG, and crytek), largerly being ignored (even from game journalism, Forbes made an article sure but does anyone actually care? Apart from people like us?), the business infrastructures are there (hello shell companies), the experienced personnel are there (Ortwin experienced with this, also CR to some degree, both surely familiar with all those Hollywood accounting schemes)

Based on Ortwin and CR history, money laundering operation hypothesis make more sense than the hypothesis that a random billionaire honestly investing on a random game development that is plagued with all kinds of problems and hasn't produced any substantial result.

It's not that the whole CIG is laundering money per se, but the Calder and Ortwin surely are with CR getting some of the benefit.

I don't think Calder is laundering money. I rather think the criminal world has discovered anonymous wireless money transfers with virtual assets is a possible way to make money clean. This doesn't even afford CI to actually know it's happening - though a huge amount of transfers without active player base should have their alarm bells ringing. They probably willfuly ignore it and enjoy the liquidity of the market.
The prime party to report this to the authority would be themselves - at least it's like that in my jurisdiction. I've been asked if I would report it - I would if I thought it's a case in my jurisdiction. We have means to report mere probable cause here. But I don't think Germany is a major laundering lynchpin for SC virtual assets. No, that's happening elsewhere.

And on the topic of financial authorities - they kinda struggle with international constructs and online business. Took a hell lot of time to find out what's happening with VAT carousels in EU. And the latest scandal here saw a payment settler reporting 1.9 BILLION EUR on its balance that was nowhere to be found. One of the EOs legged it. And do you know what's funny about it? For years there were rumours about balance sheet tricks at Wirecard - but our financial authority rather slammed down on those reports chasing imaginary market manipulation of the Wirecard share. Today it turns out even authority crew were trading actively in the shares.
 
I don't think Calder is laundering money. I rather think the criminal world has discovered anonymous wireless money transfers with virtual assets is a possible way to make money clean. This doesn't even afford CI to actually know it's happening - though a huge amount of transfers without active player base should have their alarm bells ringing. They probably willfuly ignore it and enjoy the liquidity of the market.
The prime party to report this to the authority would be themselves - at least it's like that in my jurisdiction. I've been asked if I would report it - I would if I thought it's a case in my jurisdiction. We have means to report mere probable cause here. But I don't think Germany is a major laundering lynchpin for SC virtual assets. No, that's happening elsewhere.

And on the topic of financial authorities - they kinda struggle with international constructs and online business. Took a hell lot of time to find out what's happening with VAT carousels in EU. And the latest scandal here saw a payment settler reporting 1.9 BILLION EUR on its balance that was nowhere to be found. One of the EOs legged it. And do you know what's funny about it? For years there were rumours about balance sheet tricks at Wirecard - but our financial authority rather slammed down on those reports chasing imaginary market manipulation of the Wirecard share. Today it turns out even authority crew were trading actively in the shares.

Thank you for clarifying your earlier comments, I am sure that Calder are also pleased to have their innocence confirmed by you.

If folk(not necessarily you) in places like this who strongly dislike the way CIG and associates act will not draw plausible illegal acts to the attention of the authorities then they may get away with it. Just because something is difficult is not a good reason to try.

Without action it is akin to playground name calling and slurs.
I find all the allegations and hints at illegal activity, not being backed up with action makes those allegations and slurs "hilarious"
 
"Server to Client Actor Networking Rework" is at 1/3. This item was first added to the roadmap 18 months ago, and was due in 3.7 for Q3 2019.
Of course. You have to keep something like that around as a believable blocker for the mythical server meshing. After all, if the client and server actors can't talk to each other then it would be silly to suggest that server actors can do so among themselves, and thus CI¬G has an excuse for why something pointless will never happen, and thus why the MMO part won't come out until 2122 at the earliest.

Duh.
 
However since the Calder investment, I have become more concerned that the long term success of the project hinges on SQ42 being successful, including on next gen consoles.
Of course. And it's even simpler than that : the project hinges on SQ42 being. Period.

If they can't make a simpler solo game, that's stable robust and if possible of good quality gameplay wise (story wise it's already assumed it'll suck) how on earth can they make a BDSSE MMO?
 
Excellent comment... with some caveats. Even if you think something is against the law, doesn't mean a) it is and b) you have evidence to support your theory.

Moreso, even if CIG are being used to launder money, its not clear what the FBI or any other TLA can do about it. As I understand, Valve stopped their RMT not because of the legal implication but because of the optics of it. It wasn't good for business being known as a company that was being used for money laundering.

I never said it's against law or that I have evidence - thus theory. Also I am not sure CI would want to do anything about it even if they knew; as you said it's hardly followed by national services and it's money after all.
 
I would imagine that laundering money through public and traceable announced investments is not a very common occurrence. The anonymous grey market for ship jpgs though, that is indeed ripe territory for money laundering.
It never matter how public something is when you control the accounting and nobody actually look at it very thoroughly.

And lol at the guy who snarkly insist that people like me need to report it to the authority. Just lol, you sounds like a SC white knight.
 
I have not seen this theory. If I had, thought it plausible, and did not support the perps. I would report it to local law enforcement or send evidence to the FBI. Let us know how you get on.
If you do not intend to report this serious crime to law enforcement please explain why not.


As mentioned by the others, it's possible to have some reasonable theories on this front without having hard proof of illegal activity.

  • Gaming markets are a favoured target for money launderers. The fact that SC has not only a grey market, but one that features macro purchases, would logically make it a particularly attractive choice for such activities.

  • A fun, if tricky to verify, claim comes in the form of this spreadsheet. If it accurately represents the major greymarket traders on the trades subreddit, as it claims, the Russian accounts handling collections that run up into the $130K range are... eyebrow raising, shall we say ;) [EDIT: This may not speak to transactions at that scale, due to the melt/reclaim system. It still speaks to a fair amount of liquidity sloshing around in theory though.]


If you want to get into some really fun speculation though, there's always stuff like this... ;)


All of the above dug up by TheAgent, o'course :)

It starts to lean a little bit...

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But it's certainly fun to note some of these peculiar connections and shifts behind the scenes ;)

We are talking about a parent company whose CFO didn't spot the mafia shenanigans tied up in Gizmondo when he and Erin worked on it, after all. Lord knows what history might have in store for us this time 😄
 
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A bit off subject, until a little while ago, Duel Universe which has made it to the Alpha 3 stage, offered no access to the general public. That's been changed because one now can now make a pledge of three amounts each giving slightly different perks. In so much as the actual downloading of the game it self will be free, pledges will get a slight head start on those that don't pledge and wait for the game to go live and pay a small (8 to 9 dollar) monthly subscription fee.

I know, pay to play sucks, but anyone on a console whom prefers multi-play, will tell ya, if one wants to enjoy multi-play, then one is mandated to paying a subscription price. It's only a matter of time before PC's will also. SERVER'S cost a lot of money and if a game is going to continue well into the future gaming companies can't depend on new sales to cover the cost.
 
Even without considering money laundering, look back at Chinese gold farmers and how gullible can be a apparently big fringe of citizen, its easy to guess there's many that want to profit from them through grey market and could be preparing for when/if SC launches. These may have a significant impact on fund tracker.
 
Thank you for clarifying your earlier comments, I am sure that Calder are also pleased to have their innocence confirmed by you.

If folk(not necessarily you) in places like this who strongly dislike the way CIG and associates act will not draw plausible illegal acts to the attention of the authorities then they may get away with it. Just because something is difficult is not a good reason to try.

Without action it is akin to playground name calling and slurs.
I find all the allegations and hints at illegal activity, not being backed up with action makes those allegations and slurs "hilarious"
Lets not get too serious here...we're talking about Star Citizen after all :D
 
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