So it's not about teaching people a lesson? This is what I thought. I have a few friends that play that way, they don't give a hoot about the newbies.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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So it's not about teaching people a lesson? This is what I thought. I have a few friends that play that way, they don't give a hoot about the newbies.
I do not disagree with this statement. When considered for what it is - a string of minigames cobbled together into an "experience", with lots of immersion timers for the sake of immersion timers, laughably bad peer to peer instancing that can make whole swathes of the playerbase invisible (before we even talk about blocking & so forth), an engineers expansion that completely obsoleted everything un-engineered, and a free-for-all, anything-goes Open playmode, it's amazing that this game has the thousands of players that it does.
There's something to this game, in spite of its many and well documented flaws.
So deal with it...it is what it is. Or apply to FDev with your ideas and unf/ck their thinking.
In the mean time make lemonade with your lemons.
Definitely not paying attention. Be nice now, I am being nice. I don't have to be.
Careful, I've been smacked on the wrist for responding with less threatening tone than that. Besides, I'd prefer if the fake niceties just went by the wayside
Not my circus, not my monkeys. You respond the way you want
It has been suggested for years by countless people, so they could un it themselves, if they wanted to. Personally I don't have issues with anything above, as I ever go to Open only to screw around when in the mood. Having more systems that are viable for better build variety would be great though...
Hey look everyone, today it was I who was the seal getting clubbed!
Barnard & team wound up wiping us pretty handily. I was saved for last because I truly am Mostly Harmless. I think I landed 1 PA shot the entire fight, and ended by blowing myself up on some rocks. Afterwards, some nice folks gave me a string of about a half dozen 1v1s, which I decidedly lost each time.
Had tons of fun throughout, and am getting lots of really helpful tips from the PVP community.
If you've never tried a wingfight in the rings... you're really missing out. It's an awesome experience.
Barnard & team wound up wiping us pretty handily. I was saved for last because I truly am Mostly Harmless. I think I landed 1 PA shot the entire fight, and ended by blowing myself up on some rocks. Afterwards, some nice folks gave me a string of about a half dozen 1v1s, which I decidedly lost each time.
Had tons of fun throughout, and am getting lots of really helpful tips from the PVP community.
If you've never tried a wingfight in the rings... you're really missing out. It's an awesome experience.
Careful, I've been smacked on the wrist for responding with less threatening tone than that. Besides, I'd prefer if the fake niceties just went by the wayside
You respond the way you want
I would rather you remembered what the conversation was about & be less hostile.
Are you making any attempt to teach people a lesson? I generally don't try to teach people, although I will answer questions if they ask. What I usually do is just offer a safety net so they can experiment, make mistakes & learn from them.
ETA an example of a safety net I provide is extra cash for rebuys for some players doing what Danquememe did today.
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You're tempting me now.
I've got no doubt I'll get my behind kicked. My usual experience with CQC is "fairly decent at holding my own until someone like musketeer shows up at which point I might as well just concede on the spot".
I really wish the main game had CQC's thing of temporarily breaking sensor contact if you lose LOS though, it makes for some fantastic moments, like shields about to collapse so you take a turn through the structure to try and shake your pursuer off - whether by just taking a complex route or taking advantage in a brief break in LOS to flip yourself over so by the time they follow you you're ready to boost past them and leave them in the dust. Even at an installation that's just not possible in the main game since you never lose sensor lock.
I dont play in open, only single or private group.
If i want to PvP i go to CQC. Most of the time i do different things in the game and to do so i dont fly a pvp oriantated ship.
So in a PvP situation i wont win with any of my ships. I can fight in a war zone and hunt pirates even with elite and engineered npcs just fine with a few ships.
Actually i see no fun in killing other players and have them loose money. Its a different thing if booth want to thought.
Basicly the game has not much playtypes to offer for teamplay in a wing. Most of the time you only loose time and money when doing so. So why play in open to meet other ppl?
I still have my private group that i can invite friends and play with em. I dont need to be fun for gankers.
If you need to learn about the game, play it, read here and there watch videos. There is no need to play in open.
If i want to PvP i go to CQC. Most of the time i do different things in the game and to do so i dont fly a pvp oriantated ship.
So in a PvP situation i wont win with any of my ships. I can fight in a war zone and hunt pirates even with elite and engineered npcs just fine with a few ships.
Actually i see no fun in killing other players and have them loose money. Its a different thing if booth want to thought.
Basicly the game has not much playtypes to offer for teamplay in a wing. Most of the time you only loose time and money when doing so. So why play in open to meet other ppl?
I still have my private group that i can invite friends and play with em. I dont need to be fun for gankers.
If you need to learn about the game, play it, read here and there watch videos. There is no need to play in open.
I'm not really sure the benefit I get out of open play is really there any more, since the carrier update supercruise traffic in most systems I visit has plummeted. I think maybe people move around in complete safety with their carriers & spend much less time playing in a way that allows the opportunity to cross paths with other players.
And not playing in open does completely eliminate any risk of attack from hostile players too of course, although for me that would make it seem quite a bit less of an adventure
Yeah thats up to you. I played some MMOS with PvP and in most of the PvP people wanted to cheat, gain advantage, buy in game assets for real money outside the game, using bots to farm and exp. It wont bother me what they do, if it does not affect me. In most games it does affect my gameplay plus i dont want to play with cheaters.
Im not saying all PvP people do this, but from my experience a lot do in such games. Some even use bots to fight for them, how stupid is that ?
So yeah most of the time ED is just a single player game for me like the original Elite was aswell.
Im not saying all PvP people do this, but from my experience a lot do in such games. Some even use bots to fight for them, how stupid is that ?
So yeah most of the time ED is just a single player game for me like the original Elite was aswell.
(snort) I don't have a problem. I just find the fact that you hide behind excuses for your behavior, then get upset when you are called out about it, incredibly entertaining. The fact that you consider that toxic is even better. The fact that you resort to tactics like sexual harassment actually got me to laugh.
You see, when I tell you that I don't want to hear your rationalizations for why it is acceptable to behave as you have, and DO want to hear your motivations, and, then, you immediately plug in another round of rationalizations, I find that remarkable. I mean that in the classic sense, not in the modern, complimentary, sense. It is worth remarking on, but those remarks aren't complimentary.
You've been very clever in your verbiage, and I have been impressed several times, but most of your efforts have been deflections to try and cast blame, to justify your actions' legality, or to mock people for not accepting your actions. Bluntly, while I have accepted the logic put forth by Danquememe and Sir Ganksalot, whether I agree with it or not, you just come across as disingenuous except when you are bragging about your exploits.
As to shaking my finger at you, that implies that I feel you are in need of correction. Denial is not, in and of itself, a crime. I just want you to stop answering questions that aren't being asked.
I thought this showed some progress:
WRT owning it.
I believe there is a place in the game for PKers, Griefers. Most of us have that desire to see others fail to some extent, and while I think it's a shame spawncamping (or it's near equivalent now that the new player zone is a thing & it all moved to Deciat) is so common in ED & I find it difficult to understand why some are apparently so proud to engage in PvP at such a basic level for anything more than a session or two yet so reluctant to reveal their motivation to do it.
The game has been out long enough that new social players, playing in open should have an idea that they can be attacked, but probably not how quickly it is possible to be popped so it can still be a useful lesson for those that think 'I'm sure it will be fine'. Unfortunately I think the solution a lot arrive at though, is that they simply don't want to play with people who are that aggressive against such a low threat opponent and just don't try that bullrun (in Open) again. And Carriers mean they don't have to any more, and now I don't meet them either.
That's how it seems to me anyway.
Don't misunderstand me, Riverside, I have been that player in other venues. I was notorious in Battlefield: 1942 for sniper camping access to fighters. I didn't spawn camp, but if you wanted that fighter, you had to get past a gauntlet of someone you couldn't even see. I admit that part of that was knowing it would frustrate the other side.
On the other hand, BF: 1942 was a pure combat game; there were no noncombat players.
On the other hand, BF: 1942 was a pure combat game; there were no noncombat players.
Yeah I know what you mean. My background in multi-player games is online racing, I'm not really interested in shooting at people but I enjoy the challenge of competing against others. I've annoyed plenty & understand the motivation, although spawncamping isn't my thing I am well aware of the social aspect of it in ED.
Really the issue in this thread is the unwillingness of some to accept that they are just acting like jerks, even while making it as clear as possible that they think others are acting like jerks. Just seems hypocritical to me, especially in a conversation that is supposed to be about understanding
This is epic thread
I too am PA dyslexic, although I do love those little balls of fire!
For space legs... Astroneer.What if I gank this thread by telling everyone how great Space Engineers and Microsoft Flight Simulator are?
The FCs have also killed piracy ... did frontier think about these side-effects? I wonder.I'm not really sure the benefit I get out of open play is really there any more, since the carrier update supercruise traffic in most systems I visit has plummeted. I think maybe people move around in complete safety with their carriers & spend much less time playing in a way that allows the opportunity to cross paths with other players.
And not playing in open does completely eliminate any risk of attack from hostile players too of course, although for me that would make it seem quite a bit less of an adventure