Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand

I will argue that it is optional.

As I said before, it depends - on what ship you fly and who and how many are after you.

If it's a wing, then sure it's better to hi-wake, but once you get some practice it can be fun to mess around with your ganker(s) in SC. Keep facing them while idle (works only if you're not facing a team), or fly out into the black and let them follow you; make a meta-game of it to see how long it takes until they cop on and give up. You can drop in and out of SC/normal space if you want to arrive at your destination, if you're on PC just switch on the bandwidth monitor and as soon as the numbers go up you hit the FSD.

I've done this with attacking wings in the past, including those for whom wing-ganking is their sole raison d'etre (beats me how they don't get bored but as long as they have fun I suppose).

Or spend some time in the orbit of a planet, where you can't be interdicted. The ganker will eventually lose interest and you're good to go -

Hi-waking means you have to start afresh from the star entry point, and you'll likely be instanced with the same crowd again, Groundhog Day style. It's only my if-all-else-fails option.


Again, it depends. My combat fitted Courier boosts close to 880m/s, even my SRV-laden exploration Courier boosts about 750m/s, and both are sturdy enough to take a few rail hits - no point in moving towards your attacker as you run the risk of them being able to ram you. That's more risky than them catching up (which they simply won't).

For noobs in unengineered ships though, yes low-waking is usually a death sentence as they tend to panic (I certainly used to) and also may still lack the spacial awareness and don't keep an eye on the radar.
All of these are fair points but you are clearly a very experienced player ;)

There are always a lot of exceptions and "whaddabout this..." and so forth, but no reason not to send new-ish or just less experienced players a clear toolset for dealing with gankers.

After all, once someone is confident they can survive a gank, then they can - if they wish - begin the cat and mouse game as you describe above.

Anyways your comments are all valid, of course, my point is just that for those who have not yet mastered the basics... better to give them the basics :)
 
People accuse you of all sorts of rubbish when things don't go their way. I've been called a cheater just because the AspX I was flying in didn't blow up as expected, thanks to it being filled to the brim with G5'd HRPs.

I have too, it's just part of the griefing FUD to try to make their target feel guilty ;)

Much as with this thread, it's not clear whether they genuinely don't understand or are just throwing mud to see what sticks. I don't envy Frontier Support if they have to process cheating reports from players like this, any genuine stuff would be buried under a pile of fake/mistaken ones.
 

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All of these are fair points but you are clearly a very experienced player ;)

There are always a lot of exceptions and "whaddabout this..." and so forth, but no reason not to send new-ish or just less experienced players a clear toolset for dealing with gankers.

After all, once someone is confident they can survive a gank, then they can - if they wish - begin the cat and mouse game as you describe above.

Anyways your comments are all valid, of course, my point is just that for those who have not yet mastered the basics... better to give them the basics :)
That's fair enough, I'm just not much for telling people "you must always/never do this or that" because usually the truth is somewhere in-between, and there are more options available to handle these situations than many of these new players may think. Let them pick and choose, trial and error, that's part of the fun (imo), even if it doesn't always work out as expected.
 
I can understand why I was attacked, and really I should get to know how to engineer my ship for the occasional pvp encounters. I hate the word 'Ganker' btw I'd prefer to call these sort of pilots 'CCP's, Competitive Combat Pilots! :)
I personally can't understand why the Krait Cmdr would attack and destroy an unarmed ship, maybe just firing a warning shot or cause some slight damage, at least it would have given pilot 'a' the understanding that the outcome could have been worse, and THEN contact pilot 'a' to see if he was interested in learning how to survive such attacks etc.?
I wasn't the pilot in the Krait (as far as I know) so it's impossible for me to hypothesize on that CMDR's mental state or motivations. Sometimes "silent" pilots simply have a language barrier and have no idea what's being typed. Other times, they just want to do their thing in silence. Maybe they are a literal psychopath? Who knows.

I personally have taken a different approach - but that's just me. The other gankers have started calling me a carebear, LOL.

Most gankers just attack whatever targets appear. Expert in a Anaconda? Attack. Novice in an Asp Explorer? Attack. You get the idea. Target appears, you try to pull it. It's not much more complicated than that.

PVPers make a habit of checking out the target's build, and honestly, I need to start getting better about doing that. Many times I'm so focused on "the chase" - scanning for the target, accelerating to intercept, maneuvering into position on the stern quarter, trying not to overshoot, etc - that I don't do as good of a job of checking out the build. I rarely pay much attention to the pilot name or rank, either. If there's a choice between an Asp and an Anaconda, I go for the Anaconda every time. Same if it's a T-10 or Cutter.

Last night, we encountered a very experienced pilot flying a fully kitted out FDL. Novice CMDR rank - obviously an alt. They easily - I mean, without even breaking a sweat - fended off three of us. One of us was destroyed, the other ran of out of ammo, and I low waked when my shields went down. We all jumped in System chat afterwards and congratulated the pilot and their flying capabilities. They wound up joining our wing and going ganking with us, LOL!

I know some people will find the above casual references to attacking other players callous or worse. I understand that view, though I do not share it. I also do not tell people to "git gud" or otherwise; this is a game, and each player must engage with it how they wish.

A good deal of this thread has been very instructional for me. As mentioned, I came to this game looking for PVP, and I've found it, both in terms of ganking and in terms of competitive / organized engagements. I love it. The community of gankers and PVPers has been warm and welcoming and extremely encouraging - I will always fondly remember the names of the two pilots who ganked me first, because they were also the first two to really make efforts to make me feel included and welcomed in the game. Not because they ganked me, but because of what they did afterwards.

I am sincerely trying to take my own experience from when I was "new new" and translate it in my own way to my interactions with other players. I understand that not everyone will see it this way, and I do not expect or think I deserve any accolades for playing this way. It's just a personal choice that feels authentic to me, and it's within the rules of the game and the TOS, so I'm going to keep doing it.

So far, the majority of interactions I have with other players are not salt-laden, and I think that's some small measure of the fact that many players in Open actually are there for the spontaneous combat with other CMDRs, just like me. That's what many of them tell me, in fact. So I do what I can to help them. Not because I feel guilty, but because this is a fun game and "the more, the merrier."
 

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but but but all Gankers are experience Pro Seal Clubbers. How can any ganker be inexperienced? This has to be a falsity. The anti gankers tell me so.
I'm talking of the kind who builds a meta alpha strike build based on Youtube/reddit instructions, and then proceed to attack players (in paper ships or worse, SRVs) who can't defend themselves. I will never engage in this but I don't tell them to stop it - I will however open fire and it's surprising how weak their flying ability can be, or their lack of understanding of the underlying mechanics of the game.

I dropped the shields of an FdL at Farseer a few weeks ago (Torp Courier again) - Novice rank, meta build (PA/Rails), he attacked me but when I dropped his shields he got completely flustered (I could see it by his erratic flying maneuvers) and legged it. An experienced ganker would've kept engaging me, knowing that I was (mostly) out of ammo; apart from a single packhound rack I had nothing left, and unless you slowly fly in a straight line so I can hit your drives, those packhounds aren't packing (hur hur) much of a punch.

I can respect the latter, but consider the former pond life.
 
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Just read the last six years worth of hotel California. Searching "cancer for PVP" will probably pull it up, along with high-wake, low-wake, jump-drives, shields, SCB's, speed-builds, block, solo and menu logging.


Edit : and your phone ringing or you having a powercut or low bandwidth.
I once started making a list of all the things people said were cheating, I thought it would make a nice sig. But the list got too long and I gave up. (You forgot flying backwards FA-off).
 

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I don't block anyone. If I pull someone in a speed build, I just laugh and tell them to have a nice day.
You'd be surprised how salty some get when you continuously extract yourself from the situation by... simply flying into the sunset.
 
Has to be a lie. I know you seal club Sidewinders in Deciat. It's been spoken of ergo has to be true. You don't need to lie to kick it ;)
Believe it or not, the only time I was involved in a gank involving a Sidewinder, it was me at the controls of the Sidewinder and not my target.

You just don't see them at most engineer systems, players have gotten into something else by then.
 
Well you've come to the wrong place for that. People here have pre-conceived notions of what a griefer/ganker/pvp'r is and I doubt very much you and others have changed anyone's views on that.
I beg to differ, and I exceedingly rarely disagree with you. I know my mind has changed quite a bit, at least as far as the various categories go. I used to throw them all into the same one, I don't anymore. Of course, it doesn't mean that I've changed my mind on how I like to play the game, I know what I prefer, but I've certainly learned a bit about those who don't play like I do and why they do so.
 
and heck, if you are getting messed up by NPCs you can use it then, too.
That's what I used to do when NPCs were still a threat to me. I still use it when I've been a bit overzealous in stacking missions and find myself fighting an Annie (voluntarily), only to see a couple or more of them joining the fun. NPCs might be pants, but if you're outnumbered by them three or four to one and they're all Elite in a bigger ship than yours. Well, sucking as hard as I do, that's usually not a good situation.

Anyway, it works against them too, and although it won't make you good enough to use the technique against a human, practicing the moves against an NPC will at least get the moves committed to muscle memory so you won't have to try to remember what to do when you run into an actual human. It's great practice, and very safe since it's against NPCs where you can afford to miss a beat until you got it down like a fine art.

I highly recommend it.
 
People accuse you of all sorts of rubbish when things don't go their way. I've been called a cheater just because the AspX I was flying in didn't blow up as expected, thanks to it being filled to the brim with G5'd HRPs.
There might be 1 in 1000 that would complain that a person they're attacking is using a ship fast enough to run away, but that's nonsense.

I really have a problem with @Brrokk making it sound like something a few fringe idiots say is the popular opinion of most gankers. Its absolutely ridiculous.
I see him liking these comments but I'm still waiting for proof.

If you're gonna say something as ridiculous as that, show me proof. I'm not gonna go fact check your nonsense. If you're gonna say something as ridiculous as gankers complain about fast ships escaping and calling it an exploit, I wanna see proof.
You're not responding Brrokk because it's a d claim and you know it.
 
Just read the last six years worth of hotel California. Searching "cancer for PVP" will probably pull it up, along with high-wake, low-wake, jump-drives, shields, SCB's, speed-builds, block, solo and menu logging.


Edit : and your phone ringing or you having a powercut or low bandwidth.
If there's a comment from a ganker saying fast ships escaping is an exploit, then show me.
 
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