Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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CI-G managed to increase some number by three times?
That's not mere progress, that's amazing.
Now you can savor the loading screen three times as much!!
Even though SC was advertised to have no loading screens...
Given that one need to switch from HDD to SDD just to get rid of bugs,
I believe that proper piece of hardware that is required to run SC with performance is called XDD.
Brave new world where hardware is named using emoji.
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SSD is required because SC constantly stream huge assets while you move (or entities move toward you). And when you stream huge assets, like SC do, at the speed of a HDD, your assets come too slowly (stutter) or worse, can't load if you don't have enough memory to stock them.
SC have structured it's rendering workflow similarly to the rendering workflow proposed in the new PS5 with its SSD. It's a cool techno, but it only works if you can stream assets fast, disqualifying HDD.
In SC and the PS5, the SSD is structured to be a main part of how graphics are rendered. The disk is more than a data storage used only during the loading screen at the start of the level or during cut-scenes.
SSD streaming assets in action on the PS5.
Yet more made up fairy tales. Suppose you have some evidence that CIG have done this..?
No. Just no.
Hardware does not create bugs unless it's broken.
Software creates bugs. Also by being broken.
If some set of hardware makes SC break or makes bugs appear, it's because SC is broken not because the hardware “creates bugs”. It means SC is buggy. Don't blame the hardware for that and definitely do not make any ignorant claims about SC not having bugs — blame the creators of the software because they're the ones who have created those bugs and no-one (and definitely nothing) else. And the bugs do indeed exist, wholly unrelated to the hardware.
…and if SC bugs out because it can't do this, rather than fail gracefully or just suffer standard performance issues, then CI¬G has created some very very very stupid software. CI¬G has, not the hardware.
[citation needed]
Games have been doing that for ages. Don't pretend this is anything new.
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Star Citizen performance is still a pile of something a guilty-looking puppy left in your shoe no matter the storage medium. We've had it loaded onto RAMdrives on actual enterprise hardware, and served that to client's at 10 gigabit each. That's 40% faster than your average NVMe SSD, even taking into account network overhead.
We've even had it installed entirelly in RAM on the local machines - and it was still completely abysmal.
We've even had it installed entirelly in RAM on the local machines - and it was still completely abysmal.
Just look at your disk performance tab in your task manager when you move in cities. It constantly loads data.
Also some devs have talked about it.
So that's a “no” then? Unless you can actually dig up said “dev talk”…
Using mega-bloated pagefiles is not any kind of new innovation, it's just a sign of a really sloppy lack of optimisation when it comes to a game's memory management.
One example. You said 3 months of playing, and as i understand, you are a frequent player?
But not once, from waking up, to going through the whole travel, on the train, through the station, to the ship. Not a single serious bug? Not a single server crash? That's what i find hard to believe when compared to the experiences watching streamers and hearing reports.
Oh, and very disingenious, showing SSD vs non-SSD, when i've made it abundandly clear that i ran it on a SSD.
Thanks Mole. This is my point entirely. I accept my system is under spec, but blaming the performance and my experience entirely on that, while much better machines also have issues is just complete white knighting.
You mean the same Vulkan that you declared was almost ready to go, only for CIG to contradict that statement a week or two later?
In my case, not an option at the moment. And if you think more ram will ensure there are no gamebreaking bugs, then you're off your trolly, considering people with beasts of computers still experience game breaking bugs. For a start, even the best computers can't avoid a 30k.
If the criteria is no bugs from hab to lift off, im with LittleAnt on this one. Can't remember the last time I had a catastrophic bug doing that.
However, right after lift off with the hangar doors closing too fast or the guiding tube thing not showing up at Lorville, now I've had those.
I think part of me focused too much on the no bugs part rather than the gamebreaking part in relation to LittleAnt's post, but i still think he (and you) have been very lucky, considering the frequency of gamebreaking bugs you can witness when watching streamers.
Looks like its going to be 2022 actually based on a recent report.
It doesn't warn you when you run off a standard HDD. It does warn you if you don't have enough memory.
Funny you should mention that, because you still tried to blame my performance issues on not having a SSD (that i had) when i was standing still and disk activity was more or less at zero, meaning even if it was on HDD, at that point it would have made no difference.
Its not that machine specs don't make a difference, its the unwillingness of some people to accept that the game engine is badly optimized and that any problems must be the fault of the user and their computer, not the fault of CIG.
Let's be honest, who here actually believes anything the CIG devs say at this point anyway?
So, here's a thought. ED next year will presumably move to version 4.0 with Odyssey.
4.0 as far back as 2016 was labelled the version where they would add a second system. We see CIG not being able to do this, and even LittleAnt suggested that if the tech isn't ready they may add the second system via a main menu option rather than in-system travel.
So, taking bets folks. Before ED releases Odyssey (and therefore version 4) CIG will one way or another, by hook or by crook, add a second system and update to version 4.0 (alpha)
4.0 as far back as 2016 was labelled the version where they would add a second system. We see CIG not being able to do this, and even LittleAnt suggested that if the tech isn't ready they may add the second system via a main menu option rather than in-system travel.
So, taking bets folks. Before ED releases Odyssey (and therefore version 4) CIG will one way or another, by hook or by crook, add a second system and update to version 4.0 (alpha)
