Call to Arms for a Free Colonia

erm...I just looked up Earth Expeditionary Fleet and EEF is still in control. Did you not know that having the highest influence is not the same as controlling the system? You have to take Vicktore's Promise off EEF to control the system. By the looks of things Nameless simply leap-frogged EN and EEF while they were in a conflict state. If you want control, you will now have to either bring EEF up to trigger a conflict with Nameless or bring yourselves back down.

As EDF was back to "reclaim" their system, no need for us to gain control their again. Taking over EEF was a test to see the relationship between Anarchy and superpower ships. By taking control and loosing it later on, we know what will happen in Carcosa. The Axis' goal for EEF is to retreat The Nameless from there. They are working on bringing LPV into the system to have 4 factions there to actually be able too. The Nameless having a high inf makes it harder for them to do. Now with another war triggered we can just gain another 10% easily again or maybe they help us out again.:LOL:

Seems to me their silence is deliberate. "Play to your strengths" sort of thing.
I think you guys are, again, making a fair few assumptions about them. You've got them beaten on the PR front, but on the BGS front they've been more successful. Three retreats and that expansion into Carcosa has got to be deliberate for whatever reason. You can't say what their plan or their goal is because they have not said anything about either of those things. Don't underestimate your opponents.
I would not assume too much, especially when your opponent stays silent. Why are they silent?
Don't assume they are not having fun either. It's easy for either side to say the other side are dithering idiots and it is probably far from the truth or one side would be winning easily. This conflict has provided the community with a community goal that's far better than the NPC CGs frontier can come up with. It takes two sides to have something like this. Why assume they are not enjoying it? If they did not, why are they still here after all these months?
Assumptions are the mother of all f-ups

Their goals were stated since the beginning of the conflict 9-10 months ago. Not here but in Colonia's diplomatic channels. Remove all Anarchy systems in Colonia and more important make Loren's Reapers leave Colonia by any means necessary. That were and are their objectives, just now they (SEPP, CIDE) got the help of SPEAR and some other big groups from the bubble.
All the retreats are meaningless in the big picture, we are not empire builders and couldn't care less about being present in these systems. The high-g planets are a killer of fun, but I did get my personal normal space speed record on one. So there's that. Working against the retreats once every week was to keep the Axis busy there and burn out some of their people, it worked splendid. [1]
We also know what their goals are for Carcosa, it's easy to read in the data even for somebody not in the know. In the long run they probably succeed in removing all Anarchy controlled systems in Colonia. You have to remember that the free Colonia citizens [2] are up against the largest bgs groups in the game. Not all of them are listed here.
You are right on the player driven community goal, and this is one of the reasons I joined the Reapers. It makes playing the game so much more fun and I'm sure the new FDev arc and our own will cross at some point.
And the silence is easy to explain. Just read some of the older threads on (SPEAR) actions and motives. They all ended once neutral CMDRs started questioning SPEARs actions and motives.

Speaking of scum, where is the Bar in Carcosa?
It's the one by the installation, not to be confused with the bar right next to the reactor shaft at Robardin Rock.


[1] You know that the Axis claimed a "big" victory in flipping Coma from Anarchy? Noteworthy is that Phisto was part of the group who flipped it to Anarchy in the first place against all odds. Newton's Fusiliers moved on to other things since then and SPEAR "won" against nobody opposing them. Another hollow "victory" for their mantel.
[2] Independent local CMDRs and many of the smaller groups who want to see Colonia not become the playground of the make-numbers-bigger groups. We suspect that some other bigger local groups are helping out too in Carcosa.
 
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So your telling me they will create the "monster" they said we were?
deploying hardpoints
No, we are evolving😉 Survival of the fittest, right?!

And if/when FDev repair instance problems, i see 2-3 full wings of ps4 Loren's Reapers spreading "peace & love" thru galaxy.
Future is bright 😁

Edit: when that time comes, even I will buy carrieer for logistic purposes 🤔
 
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How do you know they have not got a plan for Carcosa? I said above that the expansion of SECD into the system has got to be deliberate for whatever reason. Obviously you can't retreat a native faction. Everyone knows that. Do you think they don't?
Do you believe we are illiterate?

I think the BGS side of things has been very interesting. Sure, they lost two wars in Carcosa but BGS is a long game. The war state is just a state. It lasts a week at most. I think I have said before on one of these threads that it's the group that has staying power that wins in the end in a player opposed conflict. I really suspect there is something else to come here.
Obviously the assistance Jane provided was essential for them to progress in the very recent past, although a pretty reasonable 'long game' has been played over the last 10 months...

As to the allegation they are "cleaning Colonia of scum", that would certainly count as motive and a goal.
Of course - that is a splendid motive and goal... Obviously one in which they will fail, but I don't wish to dampen your enthusiasm too much.

Looks to me like both sides are having fun.

I would certainly hope so, it would be dreadful if the AAA were following orders, directions from spreadsheets and being forced to shoot their own players for bounties, wouldn't it?
 
Seems to me their silence is deliberate.

It is. They don't participate in forums or Discords where they are likely to be criticized. A great example of this is what happened in the CEI Discord: EN's reps brought in SPEAR reps (against protocol) then wilted like a flower when people didn't welcome them with open arms. EN intended to sponsor SPEAR for membership but soon decided against a vote.

We've had several dissenters in their group tell us they consider CEI a "toxic no go zone." This isn't the first time they've done this sort of thing.

not enough AAA talking

They should speak up, then. It's their job to defend their position. No one else's.
 
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Who is actually winning this war?

As an outsider, its a war on many fronts with many battles and wins and losses. Neither side have declared clear 'win' scenarios, so its hard to measure. Both sides seem to be having fun, one side is almost certainly winning the propaganda war (see title of this thread) but they also support Cmdrs that would be considered gankers that could weaken this propaganda, both sides have gankers now I think but not sure if one side is faction targeted or system targeted though so could be argued if faction that alls fair in love and war and BGS and not 'ganking' per se,

Theres too many factions and acronyms lol I think I have most of them on the right side now at least.

So if your source of information is this thread alone, I'm afraid you're poorly informed on this matter.

Darnit! Ignore everything above :)
 
As an outsider, its a war on many fronts with many battles and wins and losses
Indeed it is, as another outsider it does appear to be 'interestingly chaotic' at times.
From observation CIDE will continue their quest to landgrab systems to continue building their "City of God" (Which, as they are a Dictatorship does beggar the question who their perceived God is - perhaps their leader?) So no change there.

SPEAR, I'm entirely uncertain of - as the self-proclaimed "ATR" they don't seem to have much to do in Colonia, but obviously have their own agenda to remain, as time goes by we may become better acquainted with their hopes and aspirations.

The people of Colonia have shown a surprising level of support in the conflicts, even to a squadron with known 'gankers', so my guess is that label is of minor import to these people.

I have no idea of what the Reapers would consider a 'win' - but suspect it isn't the same outcome that those on the offensive consider it to be - of course I could be wildly wrong about this.
 
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