The Quest To Find Raxxla

[Jorki Rasalas]

It was stated that raxxla was in the game and discoverable from the game since gamma ...pre-release. So it predates all dlc and new versions.

The Quest To Find Raxxla

Raxxla is New Era content. Till then no1 will find it

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Now, you could say that things said by Fdev at lavecon aren't written and recorded and so we're going on someone else's word of what was said. But Since this is coming from Drew Wager and not just a rando.... it's as good as fact.

Mmm, that reference brings up one of my posts! (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-8421915)
Being pedantic, DB did indeed say Raxxla has been in-game for the outset (actually I believe the gamma), but I don’t have any reference for him ever saying it’s been discoverable since then. Although we are optimistic and hope so!

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

It was stated that raxxla was in the game and discoverable from the game since gamma ...pre-release. So it predates all dlc and new versions.

The Quest To Find Raxxla

Raxxla is New Era content. Till then no1 will find it

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Now, you could say that things said by Fdev at lavecon aren't written and recorded and so we're going on someone else's word of what was said. But Since this is coming from Drew Wager and not just a rando.... it's as good as fact.

Discoverable isn't the same as accessable. You can discover a gas giant or a water world but thats where it ends. It's never been stated that you could interact with it in any way. Also DW has said countless times that he doesn't know any more about Raxxla than the rest of us. Until that is stated specifically by fdev(which I'm sure it won't be) it's cunjecture and specultation.

 

[Dr. Lexus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1338163074847666179

Source: https://twitter.com/Vanahol1c/status/1338163074847666179?s=20

 

[yelboc]

LMC & SMC are separate galaxies from Milky Way IRL, so I would discount those. Access to Witchspace or Guardian virtual space could be intriguing. Raxxla could be a specific Guardian site which allows access, or perhaps a device/access mechanism (“Place that isn't a place, door that is also the key”?) which permits access at any of the sites allowing rapid transfer (only makes sense come Odyssey, else you’d be stuck without a ship ). Paid my pre-access, just in case!

Multiverse might explain where thargoids came from. Find Raxxla...enter alternate universe.....get killed by millions of bugs...
Mmmmm!

The other possibility is that the ED universe is a sim:galaxy run by Pranav Antal to weed out the best pilots - maybe if you find Raxxla you'll wake up back in the real milky way..

(this would give FD a chance to fix all the errors and update the astonomy in the galaxy..)

 

[Darth Ender]

Discoverable isn't the same as accessable. You can discover a gas giant or a water world but thats where it ends. It's never been stated that you could interact with it in any way. Also DW has said countless times that he doesn't know any more about Raxxla than the rest of us. Until that is stated specifically by fdev(which I'm sure it won't be) it's cunjecture and specultation.

you dont need to interact with it to find it. We're on a thread about finding it. To find it, you wouldn't need anything that didn't exist in the game since the time of gamma. Anything requiring features that didn't exist at the time of gamma in order to discover raxxla would prohibit that statement from being true. The game at that time was just flying around in space and what you could see from flying around in space. In other words, leveraging new features aren't going to help in finding raxxla unless those new features impact how you interact with what was available in the game at launch such as alter what shows up on sensors while in supercruise or what shows up on scans in the galaxy/system map.

Now, if Fdev put raxxla in a permit blocked system, that's unknown. But if it is discovered that this is indeed the case, I think the backlash of bad publicity regarding implying that players can find it by keeping it's location secret but saying it's definitely in the game would be pretty bad. that wouldn't serve them any good to do that because these permit blocked systems (where there is no way to acquire the permit) are effectively removed from the game.

Permit blocking is the only way they could have put it in the game, but prohibited players from discovering it definitively unless we allow that fdev is lying.

Since there is a number of items of lore that haven't been retconned about it, we know it can't be in a system too far from other systems due to jump range at the time (plus the jump range in the game at release), and we know it's likely not far from the bubble since old jump tech still in lore was used at the time of it's name entering the lexicon.

The other option is that raxxla moves. So it could have been near the bubble in the past, but now isn't.

Given the lack of discovery around the bubble thus far, I'm still hedging my bets on raxxla being a ship inside a roid field. or raxxla moves periodically between certain locations. Or raxxla is hiding via a specific action or specific starting system and destination system and trying to jump. The latter option being especially devious.

 

[yelboc]

we know it can't be in a system too far from other systems due to jump range at the time (plus the jump range in the game at release), and we know it's likely not far from the bubble since old jump tech still in lore was used at the time of it's name entering the lexicon.

I get a bit tired of saying this: Its not true about jump range limiting Raxxla's distance:

(1) Old ships didn't only jump to stars and so could navigate arbitrarily (See the E84 novella where they jump to Rafe's ship)
(2) We get bored of jumping after an hour or two. In the E84 Novella, Jason Ryder was gone for months.
(3) Ship jump range was ~6ly or more depending on model. That's a factor of no more than 10 less than our current best (excluding carriers)
(4) We can get to Sag A* or Beagle in a day or two, so in 10-20 days they could do the same.

 

[Darth Ender]

I get a bit tired of saying this: Its not true about jump range limiting Raxxla's distance:

(1) Old ships didn't only jump to stars and so could navigate arbitrarily (See the E84 novella where they jump to Rafe's ship)
(2) We get bored of jumping after an hour or two. In the E84 Novella, Jason Ryder was gone for months.
(3) Ship jump range was ~6ly or more depending on model. That's a factor of no more than 10 less than our current best (excluding carriers)
(4) We can get to Sag A* or Beagle in a day or two, so in 10-20 days they could do the same.

the 84 novela is not canon anymore. Nothing written about raxxla is that wasn't written from the authorship program available at the time of elite dangerous' release or appearing later within the game.

edit: and raxxla was known at least by 2296. which happens to also be circa the colonization of the empire home system and shortly after the discovery of the mars artifact earlier that century. Coincidence? At this time, regular people didn't have these first gen hyperspace drives... only the largest corps and governments could afford them. So access to systems was largely limited to very few systems at this time as journeying to them required a lot of investment and only a sparse number of ships capable to make the journey. A direct discovery of raxxla at this time would imply that a major corporation or superpower has knowledge of raxxla ... which I'd buy if the dark wheel didn't exist and not know it's location after searching for so long.

It's very likely that these early documented cases of raxxla being talked about were not due to direct discovery by humans but by finding artifacts making reference to it. It wouldn't be for hundreds of years before regular explorers had access to even the far-away jump system to explore en-masse. And what limits those exploration efforts from being very far from the bubble has to do with the fuel not being scoopable in addition to the lower jump ranges and need for pre-existing navigation beacons. Even if you got off-course, you couldn't just run on no fuel while in hyperspace, it took fuel to travel it and you'd dump out after you ran out of whatever the drives could make use of at a single time.

 

[CMDR Zulu]

On the start of FD’s Anchor man News report, it started off with Arthur saying “Raxxla discovery just around the corner” seeing as this news report started all this new content off, it could be associated with it.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52qsTzsvouY&t=14s

Rewatched this and decided to checkout what the other two magazines were on the desk in front of the anchors were. First is of course Sagittarius Eye Winking Cat cover, the other two are Sagittarius Eye with a focus on Alioth’s history. Numerous mentions of New California again in that issue (the planet that doesn’t exist in Alioth yet is mentioned in its history repeatedly). Gonna poke around there once I get the permit.

 

[Rochester]

Rewatched this and decided to checkout what the other two magazines were on the desk in front of the anchors were. First is of course Sagittarius Eye Winking Cat cover, the other two are Sagittarius Eye with a focus on Alioth’s history. Numerous mentions of New California again in that issue (the planet that doesn’t exist in Alioth yet is mentioned in its history repeatedly). Gonna poke around there once I get the permit.

Alioths furthest out planet is call Bifrost. Theres a station there called the Golden Gate.

Norse myth again!

 

[RaNaketh]

Hey @GURU-951, I was reviewing some older videos as I do for tip-bits and recalled that your video a few months ago did a slow fly through of the recent Odyssey FDev footage around the systems and remembered something similar from David's PAX east video (links below).

Is it the same footage re-hashed again, it's looks like it with a quick scan?

If so I'm even more suspicious of it's content as David loves dropping hints in his videos. So to see it again 3 years later might mean we've missed something and FDev are making it a tiny bit obvious, or they're lazy and re-using stock video footage.

Elite Dangerous- Odyssey Trailer- Analysis+ 2 Possible Dark Wheel Station Locations

Source: https://youtu.be/rLn2dlrKb3w?t=397


PAX East 2017 - Interview with David Braben (star fly through time)

Source: https://youtu.be/XTtiGxJIFyM?t=36

Spoiler: PAX East - Star Map - Asellus Primus, Sol, Shinrarta Dezhra

Fly Dangerously.
See you in the Black!
/ Ra

 

[Rosefine]

The lucky one who will find this place in the future,should he or she expect a paradise ?

 

[yelboc]

the 84 novela is not canon anymore. Nothing written about raxxla is that wasn't written from the authorship program available at the time of elite dangerous' release or appearing later within the game.

edit: and raxxla was known at least by 2296. which happens to also be circa the colonization of the empire home system and shortly after the discovery of the mars artifact earlier that century. Coincidence? At this time, regular people didn't have these first gen hyperspace drives... only the largest corps and governments could afford them. So access to systems was largely limited to very few systems at this time as journeying to them required a lot of investment and only a sparse number of ships capable to make the journey. A direct discovery of raxxla at this time would imply that a major corporation or superpower has knowledge of raxxla ... which I'd buy if the dark wheel didn't exist and not know it's location after searching for so long.

It's very likely that these early documented cases of raxxla being talked about were not due to direct discovery by humans but by finding artifacts making reference to it. It wouldn't be for hundreds of years before regular explorers had access to even the far-away jump system to explore en-masse. And what limits those exploration efforts from being very far from the bubble has to do with the fuel not being scoopable in addition to the lower jump ranges and need for pre-existing navigation beacons. Even if you got off-course, you couldn't just run on no fuel while in hyperspace, it took fuel to travel it and you'd dump out after you ran out of whatever the drives could make use of at a single time.

I agree about the early attestations. Mankind may have had knowledge of Raxxla but never set eyes on the real thing. Even in the E84 novella, there was only 'Evidence of the real existence of Raxxla' so even he hadnt 'seen' it.

But saying 'it must be in the bubble' is still not founded on fact - a mere assumption. It partly assumes it was found along time ago - there's no evidence for this in canon or non canon info. It also underestimates the persistence of explorers like this guy who took a stock sidey to sag a* in 3 weeks:

Stock Sidewinder to Sagittarius A expedition.

Greeting fellow CMDR's! :cool: I have decided to journey to Sagittarius A in a stock Sidewinder! I will leave the core internal stock E-rated, but optional internal is with A-rated fuel scoop, 3x AFMU and no weapons. But why am I doing this? Simply because I can! This isn't however my first...

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In previous lore ( up to you if you admit it as canon) fuel scooping was from gas giants as well as stars which helps long distance navigation.

So Raxxla close to Sol - I dont see any evidence for that claim.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

the 84 novela is not canon anymore. Nothing written about raxxla is that wasn't written from the authorship program available at the time of elite dangerous' release or appearing later within the game.

edit: and raxxla was known at least by 2296. which happens to also be circa the colonization of the empire home system and shortly after the discovery of the mars artifact earlier that century. Coincidence? At this time, regular people didn't have these first gen hyperspace drives... only the largest corps and governments could afford them. So access to systems was largely limited to very few systems at this time as journeying to them required a lot of investment and only a sparse number of ships capable to make the journey. A direct discovery of raxxla at this time would imply that a major corporation or superpower has knowledge of raxxla ... which I'd buy if the dark wheel didn't exist and not know it's location after searching for so long.

It's very likely that these early documented cases of raxxla being talked about were not due to direct discovery by humans but by finding artifacts making reference to it. It wouldn't be for hundreds of years before regular explorers had access to even the far-away jump system to explore en-masse. And what limits those exploration efforts from being very far from the bubble has to do with the fuel not being scoopable in addition to the lower jump ranges and need for pre-existing navigation beacons. Even if you got off-course, you couldn't just run on no fuel while in hyperspace, it took fuel to travel it and you'd dump out after you ran out of whatever the drives could make use of at a single time.

I’d agree with this. I’ve said it before (and I’ll say it again ) the human bubble would have expanded by periodic targeted leaps to some new destination of significance (found by astronomical observations) with intermediate consolidation by spherical expansion, plus a few random wanderers. Since nobody knew about Raxxla they wouldn’t have made a targeted push towards it (‘cos they didn’t know it existed, what it was or where it was; sounds familiar!). So, the likely reason for an expedition of months to be set up was if they had a destination for Raxxla in mind, which means they needed information on its existence and location. If the Mars Artefact provided this information it would be feasible (but it then could be anywhere), but it is perhaps more likely that it was encountered during spherical expansion and given the time of first rumour (which requires time to spread so Raxxla would have been “found” some time before) puts its location within the radius Sol-Achenar. Since TDW have a “lost” station, and they are interested in Raxxla, then its location might be significant-where could that station be? Constructing stations is expensive and they’re unlikely to be abandoned lightly. My hypothesis that it’s near Achenar is still valid (did some searching, didn’t find it, though it may not be instanced until you get the invitation)- that station would have been needed as a resupply base by the Fed Navy in the Federation war with Achenar, which the Feds lost because of the long supply chain logistical problems (stated in a tourist beacon), it would have been abandoned and forgotten by both sides.

I think if Raxxla had been found by a lone wanderer we would either know nothing at all or have more information about it. People can’t keep a secret.

So one hypothesis is that Raxxla (or some find mentioning it, but none has been reported) is near Achenar. The alternative hypothesis, that it was mentioned in the Mars Artefact, must be considered. For this the message it carried would have to be decoded (feasible, Ram Tah did it for Guardian messages) but it may not indicate the location of Raxxla, just the name. If the information conveyed was about existence of alien lifeforms and their visiting Sol in the past it likely would have been kept secret by the Fed authorities. It does not help us in the search, but then we should consider how that artefact got to Mars. Some alien carried it there where it was lost or deliberately left. This perhaps ties in with Ram Tah’s decodes regarding Guardian hunting practices and prey species. Nothing we know about Thargoids suggests they would have left an Artefact on the surface of Mars, nor any writing that could mention Raxxla. So I think the Mars Artefact is Guardian and its presence on Mars means they visited Sol for some reason, possibly hunting, but it is also possible they were seeding planets with life, either for hunting or in order to survive (in some way) the Thargoid onslaught. Why would they leave an artefact behind that mentioned Raxxla? (Hi there remote descendents! We’re Guardians from Raxxla and have seeded life in this star system” or "This is Raxxla's hunting ground, hands off!"?). We have the name so it must have been mentioned. Why would Guardians visit Sol when their nearest site is several hundred light years away? It is possible that Raxxla is one of their arkships (this is, to my mind, the most likely) that left carrying the Guardian exiles; perhaps it is in the vicinity of Sol and yet to be found, or it has been found by the Feds and permit-locked (Triton or Luna?).

 

[Crimson Echo]

Please ignore. Not relevant.

 

[drew]

<tinfoil> There is nothing significant about the background video here, it's just something to watch whilst I narrate. </tinfoil>

Cheers,

Drew.

 

[yelboc]

Unfortunately he has introduced a few errors. 2296 is the first attestation acording to the codex, not 2286. And the toast is "Whisperer in witch-space", not whispers...

There are a couple of other datapoint I'm not familiar with. He mentions 2814 as a more likely date for the first mention of raxxla. Where is this from?

Also he mentions some audio from the black box recovery E/F mission - do we have that here?

Ninja#d by the man himself ! @drew, can you please state your sources - that would be appreciated, thanks.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

See, this latest article on Galnet triggers the tinfoil within me. The one about Rackham building an outpost in the highest system.

What makes me wonder is the writers again mention the Rhea Archipelago. It’s only been mentioned twice before in conjunction with the term Skyglow Havens but in articles involving the disappearances of Olav Redcourt and Consuela Knight. This time though they also mention the galactic spiral.

I’ll admit, as per usual, this could mean nothing but the writers having such a habit of using Rhea Archipelago makes me suspect something is going on, and as yet, there’s no call for community support for this endeavor so why does Rackham announcing this from his private villa there matter enough to make it into the article?

Is there a quadrant of the Galaxy named after something to do with Rhea? I know other regions have names like “Temple” etc.

Edit: Side note, Omphalos was also the name of the stone given to Cronus to devour by Rhea instead of Zeus. Perhaps a round about link to the Omphalos mentioned in the codex. I’m grasping at straws here.

Galnet News | Elite Dangerous Community Site

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The Galnet post last week about Rackham opening an outpost in HIP 98832 on 17th December seemed interesting. Roof of the galaxy- reminiscent of Tyko's recent trip. Thought I might take a look see. But just tried to plot a route up there and I want to know how the heck he's going to do it! Even planning a Neutron Route the last leg, from PSR J1239+2453 up to HIP 58832, is 2,800 ly. That's one hell of a boost! Ain't no ship can do it! So unless he's found the Raxxla Gateway or there's a long distance circuitous route I don't see how it's feasible, but I cant see any stars within feasible range of it!!

 

[Zieman]

HIP 58832 seems to be reachable with a fleet carrier.
For example:

A journey to ‘The Roof of Space’

STATUS: Carrier servicing complete, Her Majesty's Embrace has now returned to regular duties You've probably read the news by now: Multi-billionaire to construct permanent outpost at the farthest system above the galactic plane. HIP 58832 is not just a system on the fringes, it's beyond...

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[Darth Ender]

I’d agree with this. I’ve said it before (and I’ll say it again ) the human bubble would have expanded by periodic targeted leaps to some new destination of significance (found by astronomical observations) with intermediate consolidation by spherical expansion, plus a few random wanderers. Since nobody knew about Raxxla they wouldn’t have made a targeted push towards it (‘cos they didn’t know it existed, what it was or where it was; sounds familiar!). So, the likely reason for an expedition of months to be set up was if they had a destination for Raxxla in mind, which means they needed information on its existence and location. If the Mars Artefact provided this information it would be feasible (but it then could be anywhere), but it is perhaps more likely that it was encountered during spherical expansion and given the time of first rumour (which requires time to spread so Raxxla would have been “found” some time before) puts its location within the radius Sol-Achenar. Since TDW have a “lost” station, and they are interested in Raxxla, then its location might be significant-where could that station be? Constructing stations is expensive and they’re unlikely to be abandoned lightly. My hypothesis that it’s near Achenar is still valid (did some searching, didn’t find it, though it may not be instanced until you get the invitation)- that station would have been needed as a resupply base by the Fed Navy in the Federation war with Achenar, which the Feds lost because of the long supply chain logistical problems (stated in a tourist beacon), it would have been abandoned and forgotten by both sides.

I think if Raxxla had been found by a lone wanderer we would either know nothing at all or have more information about it. People can’t keep a secret.

So one hypothesis is that Raxxla (or some find mentioning it, but none has been reported) is near Achenar. The alternative hypothesis, that it was mentioned in the Mars Artefact, must be considered. For this the message it carried would have to be decoded (feasible, Ram Tah did it for Guardian messages) but it may not indicate the location of Raxxla, just the name. If the information conveyed was about existence of alien lifeforms and their visiting Sol in the past it likely would have been kept secret by the Fed authorities. It does not help us in the search, but then we should consider how that artefact got to Mars. Some alien carried it there where it was lost or deliberately left. This perhaps ties in with Ram Tah’s decodes regarding Guardian hunting practices and prey species. Nothing we know about Thargoids suggests they would have left an Artefact on the surface of Mars, nor any writing that could mention Raxxla. So I think the Mars Artefact is Guardian and its presence on Mars means they visited Sol for some reason, possibly hunting, but it is also possible they were seeding planets with life, either for hunting or in order to survive (in some way) the Thargoid onslaught. Why would they leave an artefact behind that mentioned Raxxla? (Hi there remote descendents! We’re Guardians from Raxxla and have seeded life in this star system” or "This is Raxxla's hunting ground, hands off!"?). We have the name so it must have been mentioned. Why would Guardians visit Sol when their nearest site is several hundred light years away? It is possible that Raxxla is one of their arkships (this is, to my mind, the most likely) that left carrying the Guardian exiles; perhaps it is in the vicinity of Sol and yet to be found, or it has been found by the Feds and permit-locked (Triton or Luna?).

Guardians were taken out by the AI race. Not thargoids, of which they seemed to be less at risk of being destroyed by than we currently are. If they were running from someone or putting out a backup plan for survival, it would be against the AI. Which sounds a bit futile, plus it happened very quickly with little time to respond. The AI race wouldn't have allowed any living guardians to survive. Granted, the mars artifact could have been planted long before their end and even before the ai race was created.

Perhaps raxxla is an AI race station or jump gate. Their technology would have advanced well beyond what it was millions of years ago when they took out the guardians and since their primary goal was wiping out the thargoid threat, it would appear that they are no longer in the galaxy or have other priorities now. Survival of the fittest and all and see who can figure out the way to reach their current location and join them on their journey to infinite.

I think early human explorers got hints from things they found about raxxla. It also stands to reason that these hints didn't provide a location or that location would be in the hands of super powers and/or mega corps. It would really make more sense if nobody has ever found raxxla. We have no evidence of advanced technology suddenly being made available.

The biggest plot hole we have in the elite universe is the permit system. How are these permits enforced? Who controls them? How have they not been fragmented by opposing super powers? Who has declared that entire sectors be off limits? Why? They really dont make much sense at all lore-wise.

But if they did have a lore reason, that organization would seem to wield incredible power. Controlling which systems 99.9999% of the human race can access. Really i dont know how such an organization can exist within the elite universe. The only thing that would make sense is that they are leveraging something over any power or company that would wish to take that control away from them. And what could that be other than something as awesome as raxxla?

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

HIP 58832 seems to be reachable with a fleet carrier.
For example:

A journey to ‘The Roof of Space’

STATUS: Carrier servicing complete, Her Majesty's Embrace has now returned to regular duties You've probably read the news by now: Multi-billionaire to construct permanent outpost at the farthest system above the galactic plane. HIP 58832 is not just a system on the fringes, it's beyond...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Ah, well spotted! I’d forgotten FC have a range of 500ly!

Edit: actually I thought they were only 250ly!