If you're Undecided about Odyssey, what do you want to see?

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Pssst... May I interest you in Skyrim VR, with mods? SKSE works and most mods are compatible now Alduin "in person" is truly something to behold
Sorry for offtopic, couldn't help myself

I only have a psvr headset and the steam drivers have have a huge sideways drift. Until that's solved i don't have vr Tried skyrim vr on ps4 and it was way to basic without mods.. can't play it. Also i felt very motion sick! Thanks for the tip though, sure there's alot of potential there

 

[Linnunrata]

As noted by others, real gameplay footage (and hopefully a release date). Then I'll consider preorder, the extras seem somewhat tame but I don't have anything fundamental against preorders.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

As noted by others, real gameplay footage (and hopefully a release date). Then I'll consider preorder, the extras seem somewhat tame but I don't have anything fundamental against preorders.

Somewhat tame is really putting it mildly I think "lukewarm" might be too hot of an expression

As for preorders themselves they reinforce the behaviour of releasing broken games, cashing on hype and in extreme cases never fixing it. There are lots of examples of hypetrain crashes, sometimes studios fix the games (No Man's Sky, X-Rebirth), and sometimes they don't (Anthem, Mass Effect Andromeda). As many posters here have said, don't part with your money for an unlimited good like a computer game, unless you are offered a significant advantage by doing so (like a hefty discount). Just my 2 cents

 

[Linnunrata]

As for preorders themselves they reinforce the behaviour of releasing broken games, cashing on hype and in extreme cases never fixing it.

Frankly I'm not so convinced of the causality on that despite it being an often repeated mantra. Games tended to be released broken far before preordering became a thing. Though I only preorder games from companies that I have good experiences in general, never randomly and see preordering as a support to those - often independent - developers.

I also try to avoid the opposite of hypetrain which is the bashtrain where people with unrealistic expectations go bonkers because the game isn't what they expected. Mass Effect Andromeda being a good example, it wasn't a great game but it was okay and I didn't feel particularly scammed after finishing it. I guess it is understandable, computer gaming seems to be an issue that tends to raise strong emotions of hype, fanboyism, hatred and disappointment in people.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I pre-ordered alpha just because I wished to play from the very start. I'm ok with it being good or bad, although I think it is 50% more expensive than I believed it would be...
...but that is me, very selfish as it is just to please me - nobody else

I wouldn't recommend anyone pre-ordering, or not pre-ordering - it is the choice of the individual after all.

The 'sweeteners' being given away are not particularly inspiring I'll admit, but considering the continuing bleating about the Cobra IV is no surprise either

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Frankly I'm not so convinced of the causality on that despite it being an often repeated mantra. Games tended to be released broken far before preordering became a thing. Though I only preorder games from companies that I have good experiences in general, never randomly and see preordering as a support to those - often independent - developers.

I also try to avoid the opposite of hypetrain which is the bashtrain where people with unrealistic expectations go bonkers because the game isn't what they expected. Mass Effect Andromeda being a good example, it wasn't a great game but it was okay and I didn't feel particularly scammed after finishing it. I guess it is understandable, computer gaming seems to be an issue that tends to raise strong emotions of hype, fanboyism, hatred and disappointment in people.

You get nothing out of preordering. All you do is parting with your money early and getting nothing in return. So why do it? Unless you get something substantial for lending out your cash it's selling out cheap. And we all know how cheap trash gets treated. Don't sell yourself cheap, make them value you (and your money).

 

[Linnunrata]

You get nothing out of preordering. All you do is parting with your money early and getting nothing in return.

Actually you quite often get all sorts of goodies and sometimes even a discount. And I don't mind showing my support to companies that have consistently produced good games, it's not like the sums that we are talking about are that significant.

I've heard the same argument several times, but thanks for the tip anyway!

 

[Linnunrata]

I don't think I have ever gotten seriously disappointed by a preorder that I made. Except maybe Imperator Rome was a disappointment at release but I knew it would be a calculated risk being a new franchise from Paradox, which is a company with consistent policy of fixing their games. Would never preorder a game like - say - NMS that was hyped to the heavens and from a company with no credentials, so was pleasantly surprised by it after buying it on sale after maybe 2 years of fixing from them.

 

[Old Duck]

if you play skyrim and then log into eso..

Skyrim is a virtual world. ESO is a virtual Disney World.

 

[Darth Ender]

why would i pre-order odyssey?
They aren't going to run out of copies on release day.
there are no pre-order perks that give you any kind of reward in the game

that's aside from the fact that they've dumped a bunch of money into walking around while they've still yet to address the lack of or sub-par gameplay in all of the existing parts of the game already released.

I'm interested in flying space ships and things related to flying space ships. Not a fps. So odyssey will be something i purchase for maybe 1 of my characters if and when i see that it improves the space flight part of the game. I'm as interested in walking around as I am in CQC.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

So odyssey will be something i purchase for maybe 1 of my characters

So let me get this straight... you don't like the sub-par gameplay in the existing parts of the gameplay, and yet you're rewarding Frontier with purchasing multiple copies of the game? It's no different than preordering some DLC

It's actually quite atrocious that we don't have save slots on PC tbh, but I resisted the temptation to purchase one. Now I have Epic copy given for free so I will never have to do it ;-) Someone mentioned that a good incentive for Odyssey in general would be introduction of save slots

 

[Deleted member 182079]

The funny thing about the pre-order bonuses is that we don't even know what they'll actually even look like, nor do we know when the Alpha actually takes place --- even just the term Alpha, as opposed to Beta, a mere 3-4 months away from release day, worries me - maybe some of the professional developers frequenting this forum (armchair experts mind your own business lol) might put my mind at ease that this is normal.

I get it, FDev want to build up hype, but at this point and with this particular customer here it's starting to have the opposite effect - I know next to nothing about Odyssey other than there will be slightly improved planetary geometry, blue skies, and some rather samey looking cookie cutter on-foot environments to shoot other players/NPCs like it's 2005 again, and the possibility of exploring on foot (which I'm more curious about - but judging from the current state of exploration I'm not sure it'll blow my mind - Red Dead Redemption flower picking springs to mind).

There's still very little meat on the bone in terms of making an informed decision to pre-order right now - I just really, really, really hope that Odyssey will blow my mind even just a little bit and not look 5 years too old at release - technically, artistically and gameplay wise.

The little that I've seen so far will ultimately make me buy it simply because I'm already heavily invested in the rest of the game, and Odyssey will extend its universe. But I'm not excited enough about it to pre-order unfortunately, and it seems FDev don't feel the need to sweeten the deal by throwing in some decent goodies either ... a unique ship/vehicle (a la Cobra 4) or suite of paintjobs (Midnight Black back in the days that I missed out on) would probably sway me, or a decent discount (given the rather steep standard price) at least after I hear first impressions from the Alpha.

 

[Darth Ender]

So let me get this straight... you don't like the sub-par gameplay in the existing parts of the gameplay, and yet you're rewarding Frontier with purchasing multiple copies of the game? It's no different than preordering some DLC

It's very different.
1. preordering basically donates my money (for the amount of time the pre-order exists) i could be using for other things like earning interest for myself or giving me joy now.
2. purchasing at release means I get the value in what I've purchased at the time of the purchase.

Pre-orders are very valuable to companies that offer them because it's capital now vs capital later. I can still withhold rewarding Fdev by not pre-ordering even if i'm still intending to purchase the dlc (which by not pre-ordering is not guaranteed since I'll be able to review the product first).

and not buying the dlc isn't going to change fdev's mind about how they develop the game. I'll potentially keep buying updates to this game until a better space combat/trader game is put out. despite it's garbage gameplay loops, there is still no competitor on par in this genre.

 

[Darth Ender]

The funny thing about the pre-order bonuses is that we don't even know what they'll actually even look like,

the purchase page tells you exactly what the bonus is (who cares what the suit actually looks like).

Deluxe Alpha Expansion Contains:

⦁ Access to the Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Alpha.

⦁ Elite Dangerous: Odyssey OST

Pre-order Bonus:

⦁ Gain access to the exclusive Pioneer suit skin.



That's the pre-order benefits and bonuses. It's not a mystery.

edit: what would make me want to pre-order is if there was some exclusive carrier ship kit (1 year exclusive). Perhaps an exclusive SLF (again, 1 year exclusive). maybe a free guardian blueprint or unlocked engineer. Maybe exclusive access to a certain mission tree that allows you to acquire any of the above if you accomplish it instead of having to purchase/unlock etc. Basically something that either is exclusive or benefits me in the game.

 

[VR SenseiMatty]

the purchase page tells you exactly what the bonus is (who cares what the suit actually looks like).

Deluxe Alpha Expansion Contains:

⦁ Access to the Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Alpha.

⦁ Elite Dangerous: Odyssey OST

Pre-order Bonus:

⦁ Gain access to the exclusive Pioneer suit skin.



That's the pre-order benefits and bonuses. It's not a mystery.

edit: what would make me want to pre-order is if there was some exclusive carrier ship kit (1 year exclusive). Perhaps an exclusive SLF (again, 1 year exclusive). maybe a free guardian blueprint or unlocked engineer. Maybe exclusive access to a certain mission tree that allows you to acquire any of the above if you accomplish it instead of having to purchase/unlock etc. Basically something that either is exclusive or benefits me in the game.

Thanks, imho to convince me to pre-order they should give me more information about the product itself.
For the moment I've only seen some blue sky and a fps like many others. I need more info about the new game loops (show some real gameplay as example) and tell me how exploration will change in the new expansion apart from the new scanner which seems to me just a gun used to shoot the plants.
Many people are asking new srv's too.. will we ever see something more than the scarab?
My hype for Odyssey is set to zero now... what is the marketing doing to sell this game?

 

[Darth Ender]

hype all they want, explain the entire dlc in great detail. that's still not a good reason to pre-order. There's no limited quantity of dlc's to get that encourages you to get yours before they run out.

pre-orders require exclusive benefits that you care about.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

hype all they want, explain the entire dlc in great detail. that's still not a good reason to pre-order. There's no limited quantity of dlc's to get that encourages you to get yours before they run out.

pre-orders require exclusive benefits that you care about.

To be honest, i've turned strongly against preorders in all shapes and forms, with benefits or without.

There should be no need for them at all. Deliver the product, let it be reviewed, and people can make up their minds.

Preorders shift risk from the publisher to the players.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

It's very different.
1. preordering basically donates my money (for the amount of time the pre-order exists) i could be using for other things like earning interest for myself or giving me joy now.
2. purchasing at release means I get the value in what I've purchased at the time of the purchase.

Pre-orders are very valuable to companies that offer them because it's capital now vs capital later. I can still withhold rewarding Fdev by not pre-ordering even if i'm still intending to purchase the dlc (which by not pre-ordering is not guaranteed since I'll be able to review the product first).

and not buying the dlc isn't going to change fdev's mind about how they develop the game. I'll potentially keep buying updates to this game until a better space combat/trader game is put out. despite it's garbage gameplay loops, there is still no competitor on par in this genre.

It's not a donation, it#s more like an interest-free loan you give. There is still the obligation to deliver. Were it donation, there wouldn't be any obligation.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

But I'm not excited enough about it to pre-order unfortunately, and it seems FDev don't feel the need to sweeten the deal by throwing in some decent goodies either

Fdev thinks (and in my opinion rightfully so) that the DLC will sell in droves. It's the biggest revolution in game world since Horizons 2.0. Of course I am aware that many, what's the polite version of the word... stubborn players didn't buy Horizons (saw something about 50% uptake, might be wrong), but this is the single biggest gamechanger since 2016 in my opinion. Remember that the forum community is... specific. There are other communities, reddit for example. Different age demographic too. It will sell well without bonuses in my opinion, and the hype machine will wind up more closer to release.

 

[NeilF]

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