The Quest To Find Raxxla

SergMx

SergMx
Thatchinho said:
I think there’s a combo of hearing things 3rd and 4th hand, people getting the wrong end of the stick, and various language barriers that go on.

The mix up of the two AG’s is a classic example. One is definitely out and I’m pretty sure DB has said it explicitly. That IIRC correctly was said as a general rule/principle for the ED universe, and not just as a 'it's there but you can't write about it' restriction for the authors.

The other one, well, I’m not personally sure they’ve actually explicitly said that one is out in the same way.

It could certainly be argued that SC and wormholes involve a spacetime curvature that’s opposite to that which we experience as gravity, and is therefore anti-gravity.

On the other hand, humanity (at least publicly) in ED doesn’t have what anti-gravity tech classically is in sci-fi; something that provides a propellant-less thrust in the opposite direction to gravity (in a gravitational field).

It's very likely they told the authors to stay away from that type of anti-gravity, even if it's not a hard restriction on the ED universe, because it just opens up a huge can of worms for them if one of the authors were to feature it in their books when it doesn't feature otherwise in the ED universe.

Same principle for Time Travel - it's a huge can of worms. So even if it's not an absolute hard restriction on the ED universe, it would almost certainly nevertheless be a no-go topic.

Having said all that, I'm sure there must be a definitive version of the no-go topics somewhere.
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I always try to approach conclusions logically.
Here's a comparison between the Dark Wheel and the engineers. That can never happen!
As soon as someone finds it first, it's no longer a mystery and ALL will be there.
Remember the codex : you will be given tasks but you will not understand who gave it to you.
I hope you understand because of the translation.
Same with Raxxla, whatever it is, once someone finds it, they won't know if it's Raxxla or not otherwise it's no longer a mystery.

P.S. I played a lot of Elite1, Frontier, FFE and ED, but unfortunately didn't have much interest in history and knowledge. As I got older I became more and more interested in this particular topic and I realize how much more I still have to learn.

Why am I writing this? Now reading articles on this topic I found this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/5wm9st
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/5wm9st/humanthargoid_possible_base_found/


It reminds me very much of the coordinates from the picture of the galaxy from the Codex.
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
SergMx said:
I always try to approach conclusions logically.
Here's a comparison between the Dark Wheel and the engineers. That can never happen!
As soon as someone finds it first, it's no longer a mystery and ALL will be there.
Remember the codex : you will be given tasks but you will not understand who gave it to you.
I hope you understand because of the translation.
Same with Raxxla, whatever it is, once someone finds it, they won't know if it's Raxxla or not otherwise it's no longer a mystery.

P.S. I played a lot of Elite1, Frontier, FFE and ED, but unfortunately didn't have much interest in history and knowledge. As I got older I became more and more interested in this particular topic and I realize how much more I still have to learn.

Why am I writing this? Now reading articles on this topic I found this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/5wm9st
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/5wm9st/humanthargoid_possible_base_found/


It reminds me very much of the coordinates from the picture of the galaxy from the Codex.
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The alleged human-Thargoid base was the subject of the book Elite: And Here The Wheel by John Harper, supposed to be on Soontill and the real birthplace of Robert Garry , but the base was wiped out during the conclusion of that storyline leaving just a scar on the planet’s surface which is shown in-game.
 

clavain

clavain
Jorki Rasalas said:
The alleged human-Thargoid base was the subject of the book Elite: And Here The Wheel by John Harper, supposed to be on Soontill and the real birthplace of Robert Garry , but the base was wiped out during the conclusion of that storyline leaving just a scar on the planet’s surface which is shown in-game.
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There may also have been a Human-Thargoid station at Peregrina(?) as well IIRC. Lots on this on the very first dreadnought thread of the Aliens forum. Have fun wading through those, assuming they are still accessible.
 

clavain

clavain
SergMx said:
I always try to approach conclusions logically.
Here's a comparison between the Dark Wheel and the engineers. That can never happen!
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I think our irony and sarcasm may have been lost in translation - I don't believe any of us think the Dark Wheel would be one or more engineers, just that it would be an easy and tacky thing for FD to do if they wanted a quick in-game appearance. [*sadly past performance in Elite Dangerous often is an indicator of future returns]
 
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clavain

clavain
So, question for Simulcrae or anyone poking around Adamastor or Hesperus. Anyone know what the jump range of a Lowell Class Science Vessel is? 500LY?

Also, does anyone know if the Synufe listening post has actually been decoded yet (assuming there is a message still there)? About to head out there.

I always find it very curious how quickly these things are found, currently at HIP 33386 retracing the route, and looking at how many unexplored Type K star systems are nearby that might have been that listening post, yet someone managed to find that specific one within a day or two. OK, sure, someone might have already had it mapped to be able to see the system information and number of planets very quickly (or perhaps used EDSM searches or the like although that feels too much like a word I probably can't use here for me). Ah well, maybe I will stumble across something leading to the Hesperus if I retrace the route before the all-seeing eyes of Canonn, CoR, and file-delvers do.
 

clavain

clavain
Han_Zen said:
Looks like a perfectly normal reverse Casimir effect, in a dark energy Birkeland current. 🤷‍♂️
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As long as it is not "a hack on discrete number theory that simultaneously disproves the Church-Turing hypothesis (Wave if you understood that) and worse, permits NP-complete problems to be converted into P-complete ones." [with apologies to Charlie Stross]
 
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SergMx

SergMx
Jorki Rasalas said:
The alleged human-Thargoid base was the subject of the book Elite: And Here The Wheel by John Harper, supposed to be on Soontill and the real birthplace of Robert Garry , but the base was wiped out during the conclusion of that storyline leaving just a scar on the planet’s surface which is shown in-game.
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Well, now at least the Targoids' behavior towards cargo or human pods is understandable.
 

SergMx

SergMx
clavain said:
I think our irony and sarcasm may have been lost in translation - I don't believe any of us think the Dark Wheel would be one or more engineers, just that it would be an easy and tacky thing for FD to do if they wanted a quick in-game appearance. [*sadly past performance in Elite Dangerous often is an indicator of future returns]
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Error. There was no irony. I said that if there is such a thing as the Dark Wheel and Raxxla in the game, they will always be under different names!

For example, you found the Dark Wheel, what will happen tomorrow? And so for example Dark Wheel is for example Corporations Sirius (the main base 8 years from the Sun) you do their tasks you do not know that work for the Dark Wheel. This is clearly written about in the Codex in the article about the Dark Wheel.
 

clavain

clavain
SergMx said:
Error. There was no irony. I said that if there is such a thing as the Dark Wheel and Raxxla in the game, they will always be under different names!

For example, you found the Dark Wheel, what will happen tomorrow? And so for example Dark Wheel is for example Corporations Sirius (the main base 8 years from the Sun) you do their tasks you do not know that work for the Dark Wheel. This is clearly written about in the Codex in the article about the Dark Wheel.
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Irony on our end, not yours. ;-)
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
clavain said:
I always find it very curious how quickly these things are found, currently at HIP 33386 retracing the route, and looking at how many unexplored Type K star systems are nearby that might have been that listening post, yet someone managed to find that specific one within a day or two. OK, sure, someone might have already had it mapped to be able to see the system information and number of planets very quickly (or perhaps used EDSM searches or the like although that feels too much like a word I probably can't use here for me).
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It was less than a day. Nothing curious about it though. Well not in the 'strange or suspicious' sense, anyway. ;) Here's what happened...

Someone posted the logs from the Adamastor.

Someone else posted the local Galnet news.

From the info in those, I worked out roughly where to look for the K Class, and posted a K Class system as a starting point, and posted that.

Thatchinho said:
Assuming a straight line between Chukchan and the first HIP, and a K Class, then I make it somewhere in the vicinity of Synuefe XE-Y C17-1. Haven’t done a comparison with a straight line through the 2nd HIP though.

Edit - also assuming no contingency in the fuel.
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(Others had worked out similarly and got slightly different starting systems.)

People started heading to and searching the area.

Someone found the right system. (I'd been one system away from the right one at one point while searching, but had jumped off in another direction.)

Once you get enough people checking in roughly the right area, things get found very quickly (assuming they're things that show up distinctly anyway). It's just a matter of numbers.


(Happy to elaborate on how to do the working, but basically it's just calculating the vector between Chuckchan and the specified HIP, and the extrapolating that vector out to the specified distance.)


Edit - to add, when working out it out, it was very much just a first iteration based on taking it all at the most simplistic level, and ignoring loads of stuff which could have (and possibly should have) made it more complicated. It was a case of starting with the simple version, and then starting to factor more things in if the simple version didn't produce anything. (I was actually a bit disappointed that the simple version did in fact prove to be correct.)
 
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clavain

clavain
Thatchinho said:
It was less than a day. Nothing curious about it though. Well not in the 'strange or suspicious' sense, anyway. ;) Here's what happened...

Someone posted the logs from the Adamastor.

Someone else posted the local Galnet news.

From the info in those, I worked out roughly where to look for the K Class, and posted a K Class system as a starting point, and posted that.



(Others had worked out similarly and got slightly different starting systems.)

People started heading to and searching the area.

Someone found the right system. (I'd been one system away from the right one at one point while searching, but had jumped off in another direction.)

Once you get enough people checking in roughly the right area, things get found very quickly (assuming they're things that show up distinctly anyway). It's just a matter of numbers.


(Happy to elaborate on how to do the working, but basically it's just calculating the vector between Chuckchan and the specified HIP, and the extrapolating that vector out to the specified distance.)
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Cool. Just means it is pointless trying to do things as an individual independent pilot pretty much. As usual.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
clavain said:
Cool. Just means it is pointless trying to do things as an individual independent pilot pretty much. As usual.
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Nah, it's not pointless, it just means it's slower / more challenging to do as an individual pilot. If you want it to be more challenging, then that's a good thing.

If it's about trying to solve it as quickly as possible, then it's always going to be done most effectively by a collaborative effort. No real way around that.


Anyway, coming back to your previous questions, the LP message had one set of info extracted, but there was an open question as to whether there was more that could be extracted.

The Adamastor also has a date with the logs deleted prior to the date it arrived at the system with the LP. That's not yet been properly accounted for. There's a few other things here and there which were still open to debate as well, which I don't think ever got fully resolved or confirmed.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
Just randomly found a useful snippet of info in my logs. Hopefully it means we can actually put that 'numbered stations' stuff to bed once and for all if it comes up again.

""event":"FSSSignalDiscovered", "SystemAddress":633742594786, "SignalName":"$NumberStation:#index=1;", "SignalName_Localised":"Unregistered Comms Beacon"

Edit - having posted that, I'm now going to bet that it's been posted before, and still hasn't stopped the ol' numbered stations stuff. :D
 
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clavain

clavain
Thatchinho said:
Nah, it's not pointless, it just means it's slower / more challenging to do as an individual pilot. If you want it to be more challenging, then that's a good thing.
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And it also means that any mystery will almost always be spoiled somewhere along the line, and as an individual you will very rarely, if ever, be the first to successfully solve a mystery completely on your own (Although I suppose you can use your imagination to pretend you were the first to do it and you had not seen anything about it before, that fits with the FD design paradigms). Or turn yourself into a monk and sever all Internet and other contact with the outside world, but even then you will find it only after the Hive Mind(s) has(have). Of course then you won't be able to play the game because, right, no offline mode, I forgot.
 
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[PS4] Filthymick420

[PS4] Filthymick420
SergMx said:
I always try to approach conclusions logically.
Here's a comparison between the Dark Wheel and the engineers. That can never happen!
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Why not?
clavain said:
I think our irony and sarcasm may have been lost in translation - I don't believe any of us think the Dark Wheel would be one or more engineers, just that it would be an easy and tacky thing for FD to do if they wanted a quick in-game appearance. [*sadly past performance in Elite Dangerous often is an indicator of future returns]
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I wouldn't say I believe this but I certainly wouldn't rule it out whatsoever. Think about some of the engineers. We have a Jameson, a Ryder, Felicity Farseer. I would assume it's obvious that Liz Ryder is a member. I also wouldn't bat an eyelash to find out Lori Jameson was a member too and Farseer definitely knows something she isn't telling. Not to mention the rest. They are all essentially the best of the best at what they do.

But I think ruling something out completely without verifiable proof of the contrary is a very bad idea
 
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