Would you buy an Asian dlc that excluded tropical species?

I really like European and North American fauna and I think they are all great but I thought about it a lot and personally I don’t need any of them in the game maybe just except the Cougar but we can also count it as a South American species.

I will buy any new DLC’s released but I would rather see more exotic and endangered species first and not waste any precious slots for animals that are just simply ordinary to me.

For example I think Iberian lynx is amazing but I would rather pay for Serval.

I know that there are many of you who thinks differently and I want you to know I do respect your opinion too.
 
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South America, Africa, Asia, Australia, some non-forest-parts of North-America are all they could take from to keep me happy, not a fan of the forest-based animals of Europe/America because many of them live in farms in my town. Europe is just forests and cities mostly, nothing special. There are mountains, but Asia has much more interesting mountain animals than Europe, Takin, Markhor and Yak to be precize.
 
Whatever, NZ has Chamois, Lynx, I prefer Caracal, I prefer Asian Deer, there are similar Ibex in Asia, badger? Rather see Ratels and Wolverines, American Badger looks better. The others are just reaching.

I personally prefer they don’t waste half a year on Europe when you have the rest of the world to choose from. It’s probably that I am European myself and see most European animals as nothing more than farm animals.
Seriously, I don't get this thing about undervaluing European animals. I won't advocate for tons of European animals being added because, indeed, most continents have a way more diverse fauna. I won't even bother making comparisons with Oceania, South America, Asia and Africa.
But come on, this notion that NA fauna is far superior than Europe fauna is nonsense, because there is not much difference, really. Also, the argument about Europe lacking endemic animals doesn’t make any sense either. Afaik, Frontier has never intended to only add endemic and very unique animals in PZ. But even if they did, NA fauna is not more endemic nor diverse than European fauna, lol.
When people (including me) suggest a NA DLC, they always include the cougar and they usually include moose, wolverine, Arctic fox, musk ox, a species of peccary, etc. all of which are not endemic to NA. Some people also include groundhog, North American beaver, river otter, American badger, elk, whitetail deer, mule deer, bobcat, Canadian lynx, bighorn sheep, mountain goat, etc. In Europe we have Alpine marmot, Eurasian beaver, Eurasian otter, European badger, red deer, fallow deer, roe deer, Iberian lynx, Eurasian lynx, mouflon, Alpine ibex, etc. In this very last group, caprids, there are more in Europe than in NA: the latter two plus Iberian ibex, chamois, Pyrenean chamois, West Caucasian tur, East Caucasian tur, Wild goat. Literally only the Cali sea lion and the alligator are the only animals that stand out in NA. I don’t see how “there are similar ibex in Asia” is argument to include an Asian and not an European species. I also don’t see how Asian deers or American badgers “look better” than their European counterparts.

Only in my country, there are plenty of “big” endemic animals that would very easily make a decent PZ DLC: Iberian lynx, Iberian ibex, Pyrenean chamois, two species of hare, ocellated lizard. You could even consider the Egyptian mongoose, Barbary macaque, aoudad and Spanish imperial eagle (if flying birds are a thing) as potential options. And this is just one country.

Seeing European animals as farm animals?
I don’t know where you’re from, but in my country, going to the mountains or to out-of-the-way natural spots to enjoy the local wildlife has never felt like visiting a farm.
 
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All the deers are in farms, I've seen wild boars in farms here, no there aren't badgers but whatever, they are in wildparks, you don't get the point.

Europe is lackluster in animals for me, so I don't want a HALF-YEAR worth of content wasted on them, I'm not a kind people that want other humans to have fun and their wishes covered, I live for myself, I want things that I like, they can also be covered in African Packs or another Australian pack, in that way at least some of my own wishes are covered, in an European pack it means I have to wait another year/ever/half-year for more content while I myself won't buy it because I find the animals dull to for a zoo, I love them to death and want to cuddle them, but in farm, not in a zoo, there I would just skip them, like I skip wolves in zoo because I already have a German Shepard dog in my house.

In other words, I'm not gentle like you folks that wish for other people, I just wish for myself. Like every natural being should, as animals do the same, intelligence is more a curse than a blessing anyway.
 
@Fossa I do get your point that you want what you want, that's fair. But there's a difference between wanting something and despising/not respecting what you don't want. I also don't wish for other people's favourite animals, almost nobody here is doing that. But we're not calling other people's wishes "stupid", "useless", potentially "ruining" the game, etc. just because we don't fancy them.

If every natural being (humans in this case) was as egoistic as you suggest, this world would be really screwed up.
 
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If you have such an egoistic point of view why are you in this forum? (Forum from Latin means place when people can discuss freely)
Of course you can express your opinion, but again you don't have to be mean against other people choices, each of us here wants PZ to be perfect for ourselves first and then for the others, and again x2 these are only speculation, we don't have the final words on Frontier choice, so try to be kind in general.
 
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All the deers are in farms, I've seen wild boars in farms here, no there aren't badgers but whatever, they are in wildparks, you don't get the point.

Europe is lackluster in animals for me, so I don't want a HALF-YEAR worth of content wasted on them, I'm not a kind people that want other humans to have fun and their wishes covered, I live for myself, I want things that I like, they can also be covered in African Packs or another Australian pack, in that way at least some of my own wishes are covered, in an European pack it means I have to wait another year/ever/half-year for more content while I myself won't buy it because I find the animals dull to for a zoo, I love them to death and want to cuddle them, but in farm, not in a zoo, there I would just skip them, like I skip wolves in zoo because I already have a German Shepard dog in my house.

In other words, I'm not gentle like you folks that wish for other people, I just wish for myself. Like every natural being should, as animals do the same, intelligence is more a curse than a blessing anyway.
Look pal, you can be a misanthrope all you want but whenever you enter a public space, a forum in this case, there is certain etiquette you have to follow. You dont go and call people stupid just because they dont want the same things in a game as you do. As for your last sentence, truly intelligent people dont boast about being intelligent. ;)
 
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All the deers are in farms, I've seen wild boars in farms here, no there aren't badgers but whatever, they are in wildparks, you don't get the point.

There are certain countries in Europe that put in them in farms or petting zoos/farms.

Don't know how those species are handled in other countries but:
For the Netherlands, Red deer and Wild Boars are primarily located in nature reserves or designated areas (in short: most species are found in the Veluwe). For a lot of other parts there's a zero-tolerance policy for these species in the wild.
Densely populated areas, high traffic or farming communities have different rules. Species that are free to roam in Germany, get hunted down the moment they cross the Dutch border.
European badgers are more spread out to the East/Centre/South parts in the wild.

The damage these species do in non-controlled environments are pretty big. Personally seen how a badger heavily damaged the engine supports of a car. (okay, it was a French car)
 
Look pal, you can be a misanthrope all you want but whenever you enter a public space, a forum in this case, there is certain etiquette you have to follow. You dont go and call people stupid just because they dont want the same things in a game as you do. As for your last sentence, truly intelligent people dont boast about being intelligent. ;)
1: I never called myself intelligent, I just hate intelligence and what it has brought us as humans.
2: I never called particular persons stupid, I called choices insane, not the person themselves, If it seemed so it's probably because my English sentence-making sucks.

If you have such an egoistic point of view why are you in this forum? (Forum from Latin means place when people can discuss freely)
Of course you can express your opinion, but again you don't have to mean against other people choices, everyone here want PZ to be perfect for himself first and then for the others, and again x2 these are only speculation, we don't have the final words on Frontier choice, so try to be kind in general.

If I called people stupid by accident I will apologize, I mostly am angry with decisions made, not the person's entire life, if you feel like that, don't, I don't think anyone is stupid here, just some choices in a game that probably won't be around that much longer in the expansion department, and we need every space not being used by things we already own.
 
The damage these species do in non-controlled environments are pretty big. Personally seen how a badger heavily damaged the engine supports of a car. (okay, it was a French car)
WHich is pretty funny (not), because humans are the only ones that destroy the environment, forcing animals into places they never choice themselves... I'm always angry with my country (Netherlands) that they want to crowd control Red Deer/Fallow Deer because they grow out of number, while the only crowd control they have to do is with human population.
 
1: I never called myself intelligent, I just hate intelligence and what it has brought us as humans.
2: I never called particular persons stupid, I called choices insane, not the person themselves, If it seemed so it's probably because my English sentence-making sucks.



If I called people stupid by accident I will apologize, I mostly am angry with decisions made, not the person's entire life, if you feel like that, don't, I don't think anyone is stupid here, just some choices in a game that probably won't be around that much longer in the expansion department, and we need every space not being used by things we already own.

I would avoid words like stupid, insane and other very negative words when disscussing the animal choices then if I were you. Basically I agree with you on the part that we need more unique animals rather than very similar ones, but it can be worded in a civil manner. We dont have to be friends, but all this hostility against people with different opinions is really unnecessary.
 
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WHich is pretty funny (not), because humans are the only ones that destroy the environment, forcing animals into places they never choice themselves... I'm always angry with my country (Netherlands) that they want to crowd control Red Deer/Fallow Deer because they grow out of number, while the only crowd control they have to do is with human population.
That's because a lot of European countries don't have enough predators to balance the population.
If they don't crowd control it, it causes different problems: diseases, confrontation with people, damage to farming and even preventing death by starvation.
(A lot of areas don't have enough natural resources for large populations)
I think the reintroduction of the wolf in those areas would work with balance issues but that'll cause different problems as well.

I'm going to ignore the crowd control on human population comment, that's a different discussion not suited for most forums.
 
I agree that NA and Europe have similar animals, but I wouldn't be opposed to Europe, although it isn't preferred. Actually, it can be a huge advantage to players on both continents because we can have species from both (Red Fox and Wild Boar, for example), that way satisfying the needs for both.


Also, @Fossa, acting like other people's ideas are dumb is just not right. Nobody has ever said that your ideas are dumb or useless, and I don't agree with all the choices you've made for potential animals. I'm not saying to not discuss here on the forums, I'm saying that just be a little bit more patient with others here.


Also, about Wild Boar, they are very interesting, but super irritating. They totally ruined the ecosystem. They kill snakes, they dig holes everywhere. Although it's very odd, I haven't seen them this last year, not even hints if them; and, the snakes have come back
 
I’d say most importantly with future Asian animals, northern Asia could use some love.
While looking at my Asian and Indian zoos, I thought to my self that SEA now has enough, India I’d always welcome more of, Himalayas, northern China and Japan could use some attention.
 
I’d say most importantly with future Asian animals, northern Asia could use some love.
While looking at my Asian and Indian zoos, I thought to my self that SEA now has enough, India I’d always welcome more of, Himalayas, northern China and Japan could use some attention.
I can see an Indian pack and an Asian cold regions pack
 
About the Europe discussion. There are people that live in Oceania, Africa, Asia, and South America who think a beaver or a ibex or lynx is more exotic than a kangaroo for example. So please be mindful that people all over the world have a different idea of what’s “exotic” or household fair. Plus I want NA and European animals to flesh out my zoo
 
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About the Europe discussion. They’re are people that live in Oceania, Australia, Asia, and South America who think a beaver or a ibex or lynx is more exotic than a kangaroo for example. So please be mindful that people all over the world have a different idea of what’s “exotic” or household fair. Plus I want NA and European animals to flesh out my zoo
100% agree. What's exotic depends on where you live... I think all continents should be equally represented, and we're very much lacking of European and North American animals. And to me, badgers, red deer, red foxes, racoons, mooses etc are very cool animals and I would love them more than another African gazelle for example. Also, there's a lack of taïga/temperate forest animal. Recently DLC have been a lot of tropical animal and my taïga zoo is kind of empty lol
 
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