Am I the only person who is utterly unenthused right now about a generic FPS being shoehorned into my spaceship game?

[VR StarLightPL]

You lot can try and sell NMS all you like, but never again will it's devs see my coin.. I bought on release and did not get what I paid for, I got a pale imitation of what was promised. Yes, I've read that subsequent updates have made good on the original promises, but that doesn't remove the bad taste that the release left me with.

For me this statement is funny and terrifying at the same time. It shows that there are people out there who can hold a senseless grudge for years, unable to let go despite overwhelming signals to the contrary of their belief. Your loss, if you're doing this on principle, you have a right to do it of course, but you're missing out at your own will. Although I shouldn't be the one to talk, because I'm kinda doing a similar thing and voting with my wallet on Odyssey (no VR no money) and, conversely, on X4: Foundations. Flat space games just aren't that fun for me on pancake anymore.

By the way I can see the same thing with X-Rebirth release fiasco. It's amazing that there (still) are people who "won't give EGOSOFT any more money", because they've been "burned" by Rebirth (which was turned around to be a decent game in about 6 months to one year from release).

Curious has anyone went from unenthused to thused?

I spotted at least one self-proclaimed convert a few pages ago

It is a step in the right direction, but FDev might never attempt the next steps required to actually get the idea to fruition - so the giant leap is just an idea yet, which might or might not come true. Odyssey is a promise basically - more a promise than a delivery of features - a little bit of something, but not enough.

It's always the case with FDev, their motto should be overhype and underdeliver. Horizons? Great potential, squandered. Beyond? A year of "fixing" ( probably by a few unlucky souls who drew the shortest straw) with game code actually deteriorating instead of improving, and bugs left to expire in issue tracker. Odyssey - exactly as you wrote. But, remember the original pitch: ship interiors - DLC, station interiors - DLC, atmospheric planets - DLC, EVA - DLC... Tick a box, appease the LEPpass, win-win.

 

[Cervantes01]

Hm, eventually my view on it is different, because i changed over the years from mainly wormhole pvp to highsec industry and market pvp (yeah, a carebear now) - so I pretty much never experience combat anymore and see just the advantages made in the industry and trading area. Death still matters though, given fully equipped T2 and T3 ships and a couple of billion isk in form of implants in your clone. You are still loosing your ship and your clone, when you get killed, so death does matter.

Afaik though, wormhole pvp got a totally new dimension, because you can have own stations (citadels) in wormhole systems as well and it got overall more competitive. wormhole pvp has never been easy mode or any safe and that is good that way - so maybe you will find what you are looking for if you'd move to wormhole space.

I haven't seriously played Eve since ED came out, there's no fun, danger of excitement left in it. ED isn't much better mind you and in a lot of ways much worse, so there you go.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

I think the lesson is to lower your expectations. With every strapline on a Frontier announcement, mentally dial the hype back by at least 90%. It's only a game; the best game in the world can only achieve so much and ED is very far from being that game.

Yeah. Or just assume that all you're playing is Indie Space Truck Simulator. All the fluff is just an addon to space trucking. That's probably how they look at the game internally given how disconnected every new feature in elite is. The only way it works.

I can't believe people are still so naive in the alpha forum thinking just because they're absolutely right frontier are going to make changes. Are peoples memories so short? No chance the UI or a major minigame is going to get any changes apart from a tweak to the parameters. We've been there so many times before. Still, for all our sakes i hope frontier proves me wrong out of spite and actually makes changes based on suggestions. Go on frontier, i deserve it dont i?

A day later, the only thing that makes me sad about odysee is how cheap the station interiors are. They just slapped something together and then ask for praise and money.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

For me this statement is funny and terrifying at the same time. It shows that there are people out there who can hold a senseless grudge for years, unable to let go despite overwhelming signals to the contrary of their belief. Your loss, if you're doing this on principle, you have a right to do it of course, but you're missing out at your own will. Although I shouldn't be the one to talk, because I'm kinda doing a similar thing and voting with my wallet on Odyssey (no VR no money) and, conversely, on X4: Foundations. Flat space games just aren't that fun for me on pancake anymore.

By the way I can see the same thing with X-Rebirth release fiasco. It's amazing that there (still) are people who "won't give EGOSOFT any more money", because they've been "burned" by Rebirth (which was turned around to be a decent game in about 6 months to one year from release).


I spotted at least one self-proclaimed convert a few pages ago


It's always the case with FDev, their motto should be overhype and underdeliver. Horizons? Great potential, squandered. Beyond? A year of "fixing" ( probably by a few unlucky souls who drew the shortest straw) with game code actually deteriorating instead of improving, and bugs left to expire in issue tracker. Odyssey - exactly as you wrote. But, remember the original pitch: ship interiors - DLC, station interiors - DLC, atmospheric planets - DLC, EVA - DLC... Tick a box, appease the LEPpass, win-win.

Really? I didn't buy X:Rebirth because I figured it was nothing like the X I wanted. Took me a year to hop into X4. NMS I also bought 3 years after release. Sometimes it's better to get the refined game. Bought TW3 when it was on sale with all DLC bundled. Was one of the best experiences I had.
Also got ED late. When the powerplay thing happened. But ED went the other way round - online games are a mixed bag.

 

[schurem]

Somebody, convince me I'm wrong.

Nope, not gonna. The first person on-foot element of Odyssey leaves me entirely cold. Like you however, I did buy in, just to support continued development and the nice new planets.

 

[Lysette]

Yeah. Or just assume that all you're playing is Indie Space Truck Simulator. All the fluff is just an addon to space trucking. That's probably how they look at the game internally given how disconnected every new feature in elite is. The only way it works.

I can't believe people are still so naive in the alpha forum thinking just because they're absolutely right frontier are going to make changes. Are peoples memories so short? No chance the UI or a major minigame is going to get any changes apart from a tweak to the parameters. We've been there so many times before. Still, for all our sakes i hope frontier proves me wrong out of spite and actually makes changes based on suggestions. Go on frontier, i deserve it dont i?

A day later, the only thing that makes me sad about odysee is how cheap the station interiors are. They just slapped something together and then ask for praise and money.

When i compare the amount of content of ED+EDO and NMS and both are at a similar price tag (NMS includes now all expansions) than ED looks pretty shallow compared to NMS. NMS promised a lot and didn't keep their promises at first, but they put in a great deal of effort turning the game around to the better.

EDO is too little, too late imo - and that little bit is not even fleshed out, but again done in a "least effort possible" way - quite a few space games are in the pipeline, ED will have a hard time in the coming years to compete with those, if they don't step up the pace of their development and put more effort in fleshing out what is already there.

 

[Sunyavadin]

Honestly, at this point the generic FPS nonsense is about the ONLY marginally appealing part of Odyssey. Everything else just depressingly makes me actively not want to see its detrimental changes backported to Horizons, and I'm unlikely to continue playing once the Console versions finally get lumbered with the godsawful galmap and garbage fleet carrier interfaces for stations.

 

[Sunyavadin]

I can't believe people are still so naive in the alpha forum thinking just because they're absolutely right frontier are going to make changes. Are peoples memories so short? No chance the UI or a major minigame is going to get any changes apart from a tweak to the parameters. We've been there so many times before. Still, for all our sakes i hope frontier proves me wrong out of spite and actually makes changes based on suggestions. Go on frontier, i deserve it dont i?

Yeah, short of an announcement of a delay to 2022 for them to completely rethink everything, with a beta maybe around xmas/new year, this is pretty much unsalvageable.
And we know how much Frontier love to fall on their swords for bad ideas.

My guess is that they didn't want a repeat of Fleet Carriers, where they revealed them SUPER early in the design process, before there was anything concrete, when all the ideas like support vessels were nebulous concepts, and nothing had actually been implemented gameplay-wise as to how they'd function, people raised a laundry list of issues with the concept, and they delayed them until the next year while they went back to the drawing board on a bunch of ideas.

With Odyssey they instead decided to keep their ideas under wraps until they had gameplay ready for players to try, so that feedback-based changes could be minimised because it was all so thoroughly developed by this point.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I hear the EDO exploration expects players to do the minigames for every scan and it's a twitchy one. You can call me very unenthused.

 

[Lysette]

Honestly, at this point the generic FPS nonsense is about the ONLY marginally appealing part of Odyssey. Everything else just depressingly makes me actively not want to see its detrimental changes backported to Horizons, and I'm unlikely to continue playing once the Console versions finally get lumbered with the godsawful galmap and garbage fleet carrier interfaces for stations.

Actually I would prefer Horizons to stay as it is - the lighting in EDO is just horrible and I fear we will get that in Horizons as well.

 

[Lysette]

I hear the EDO exploration expects players to do the minigames for every scan and it's a twitchy one. You can call me very unenthused.

This is my main reason for postponing buying it - I might do at some point in time - at a discounted price eventually, if not something else is catching my attention to the point that I just leave ED alone again.

 

[lysan]

Won't buy it because releasing it in the state that the dev did was something I have zero tolerance for, but I've been paying attention to it.

NMS's development cycle as compared to ED's development cycle is a class study on the difference between developers who are passionate about their project and developers who are being run into the ground by business types with no concept of how to make a complete experience.

I agree that bean counters need to count beans, nothing else, any power to change the product should be banned from their existence!

 

[Mrc_NorthEast]

NMS's development cycle as compared to ED's development cycle is a class study on the difference between developers who are passionate about their project and developers who are being run into the ground by business types with no concept of how to make a complete experience.

I agree. Not only do the ED developers not seem passionate about their game, I doubt the dev team even plays ED. I am still on the sidelines watching Odyssey and I don't expect I will be buying it soon, maybe in a year or two, if they fix it up, when it goes on a big steam sale.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

With Odyssey they instead decided to keep their ideas under wraps until they had gameplay ready for players to try, so that feedback-based changes could be minimised because it was all so thoroughly developed by this point.

Imagine if the Veg-O-Matic had been leaked...

 

[Han Zulu]

Curious has anyone went from unenthused to thused?

I was thused, then a smidge unenthused, and back to thused again.

 

[ZuluOscarAlpha]

I doubt the dev team even plays ED

I've spent the last week attempting the engineering grind and this idea has been reinforced more and more every day. It's hard to believe this is the second iteration of the engineering system. I'm not even sure Pharmaceutical Isolators are in the game. It's even more bewildering when you consider the fact that all they would have to do to make the grind more engaging is tweak mission rewards and change some numbers, but they don't do that because they've never gone through the process themselves.

 

[CMDR Buy Arx]

I agree. Not only do the ED developers not seem passionate about their game, I doubt the dev team even plays ED. I am still on the sidelines watching Odyssey and I don't expect I will be buying it soon, maybe in a year or two, if they fix it up, when it goes on a big steam sale.

I seriously doubt you'll have to wait that long for the sale. There is bound to be a strong competitor in the "count vegetables with a fidget spinner" market sooner rather than later.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I used to hate how NMS looks too, but the exploration gameplay is so damn good that I got past it in time. NMS can sure give you some wonderous screenshot moments, the planet variety is astounding and sometimes it still marvels me at how incredibly atmospheric it can be. Sure it has a cartoony look, but frack if it isn't so much fun!

Plus the constant substantial updates have improved that gameplay by leaps and bounds, their development of NMS has been so incredibly impressive.

I've found the development of NMS far from impressive. Sure, they have added a lot, but it all looks so substandard. I've tried to enjoy NMS a lot, but I find exploration in that game gets boring as I end feeling that all the planets as essentially the same.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

I seriously doubt you'll have to wait that long for the sale. There is bound to be a strong competitor in the "count vegetables with a fidget spinner" market sooner rather than later.

Yeah even AAA titles tend to go on sale at most half a year after release. That said, FDev was really stubborn with Elite at start, I think I waited about two years because the initial price was frankly unacceptable. We will see

 

[LeoBartlet]

Yeah even AAA titles tend to go on sale at most half a year after release. That said, FDev was really stubborn with Elite at start, I think I waited about two years because the initial price was frankly unacceptable. We will see

UK steam Nov 25th 2015 67% Discount brought the game to £9.89*. While not the first discount it was the lowest it went within a year of release.

*Im bored and waiting on the immersion timer to transfer my ship to where I want it.

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