Yup, I would consider Patricks life to be restrictive of freedom. I mean, fancy having to spend the rest of your life staying in the same area and enforcing barrier gestures every time someone wanted to shake your hand or give you a hug, but I guess each to their own
General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?
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If the UK was still in the European Union, it would not need to negotiate a vaccination passport with compulsory vaccination.
And there would be fewer restrictions on freedom in the UK.
I'm firmly pro-remain always have been. The one thing the Brexiteers got right was the EU's overly bureaucratic inefficient and downright stupid behavior around vaccine supply and now seemingly the vaccine passport.
Vaccine passports are how we can reestablish freedoms. We have to stop wasting time on the pointless pseudoscientific nonsense though which is a tricky thing to do in free countries where even people with their underpants on their heads are allowed a voice. Right now antivaxxers are a threat to freedom and public safety. If the indirect coercion approach fails we should just go with compulsory jabs, lives depend on it.
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Chile will administer AstraZeneca vaccine only to men.
Decidedly this AZ inspires mistrust.
Decidedly this AZ inspires mistrust.
Here is an important mention.
If I understand what you are saying, if a person wants to go to Greece who is not on the red list, the vaccination in this case will not be compulsory ?
I totally agree with that..
As I said in Western countries, it is not the majority of people who fly or go on vacation abroad.
For my part, the last time I flew was 25 years ago.
I agree with that if indeed the obligation is temporary and concerns countries of destination at risk.
Anyway it is necessary to be a little masochist to want to go on vacation to Brazil, Mexico or India currently, even vaccinated
Why do you say that ?
It is known that the peoples in the European Union have a distrust of AZ (especially in France) and that the governments are pushing for the use of AZ.
I agree with the bold and underline text.
For everything else I am strongly opposed to what you say (and I am not an antivaxxer
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Personal post now:
Wednesday I had my first Vaccination (Astra Zenica). I got all 4 of the stated side effects (muscle ache, headache, tiredness, sore arm) and felt a bit rough for about 36 hours. It feels like you are about to get flu, but don't
Only the sore arm persists now.
Wednesday I had my first Vaccination (Astra Zenica). I got all 4 of the stated side effects (muscle ache, headache, tiredness, sore arm) and felt a bit rough for about 36 hours. It feels like you are about to get flu, but don't
Only the sore arm persists now.
You might belive that but I dare say you look like an antivaxxer to everyone else.(and I am not an antivaxxer
All done .... It was indeed Astra Zenica.
I don’t care what other people think of me.
I assure you that I am not an antivaxxer.
I am certainly even one of the people who received the most vaccines.
All the vaccines during childhood, and the atomic vaccines during the military, and one wasp vaccine every month during several years.
And J&J surely?
As I said in the thread "The safest place", a new variant "Triple mutant" was discovered in India. This new variant could be even more contagious than the current "Double mutant" (1 million contamination in 4 days), and also much more deadly. It seems that this "Triple mutant" is a variant of type "Immune escapement".
Therefore the current vaccines would be totally ineffective.
So I'll wait for more, before I get vaccinated.
Because the "Double mutant" is already in Europe and the "Triple mutant" will eventually come too. No need to inject serum into my veins which could be completely obsolete in a few weeks / months.
Since the spike protein has to bind to human receptors, it has an optimal shape.
It also binds to antibodies, which resemble the receptor.
It is like a bad copy of a key, that works in 2 very similar locks.
Getting a version that does one better but the other worse is hard, by random chance. This is what we get by chance:
What I'm saying is if the spike escapes the antibodies, it will likely also escape the receptor- and that variant is a dud that will just die out. Like any random one up there, that can't fit either lock - It will lose the competition.
Until actual data shows that vaccines are losing efficacy, there is no need to panic or assume bad things.
(Vaccinated now, after a ghastly 80 mile road trip.
Oxford Astra Zeneca, my first choice.
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Oxford Astra Zeneca, my first choice.
)Ah yes, it was, apologies on my incorrect spelling.The main thing is that it is not Astrazeneca.
The fact it was Astra Zeneca does not bother me in the slightest.
During my time in the Royal Navy I received pre-deployment innoculations that were probably less tested and potentially more harmful to me than the AZ vaccine. Then there was Exposure to depleted Uranium shells during ammunition ship and the risks associated with repairing PCB's and the conformal coating being carcinogenic.
Wait and see. And god hears you.Since the spike protein has to bind to human receptors, it has an optimal shape.
It also binds to antibodies, which resemble the receptor.
It is like a bad copy of a key, that works in 2 very similar locks.
One lock is the receptor, the other is the antibody. The more mutations that pile on, the greater the chances of failure, not success. If the conformation made by 3 mutations fits our receptor better, the chances are it will fit the vaccine's antibodies better too.
Getting a version that does one better but the other worse is hard, by random chance. This is what we get by chance:
What I'm saying is if the spike escapes the antibodies, it will likely also escape the receptor- and that variant is a dud that will just die out. Like any random one up there, that can't fit either lock - It will lose the competition.
Until actual data shows that vaccines are losing efficacy, there is no need to panic or assume bad things.
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