Has the hysteria died down yet?

[Shaele]

Don't have to insult people by name cmdr.

The number of post's just saying that the Planetary Tech is s... is enough to offend those those responsible for this part of development.

Don't get me wrong, the game isn't perfect by a long way & probably shouldn't have been released for another few months.
When I played the Alpha, I was NOT convinced that I was playing a branch from waay back, as we were continually told.
Writing was there when we were then told Horizon's part wasn't gonna get the updates we expected.

Don't mind player's criticising, but keep it civil.....only this morning I reported a thread that had the title " This DLC is f....... s..." using little to the imagination to bypass the censor.

I wonder if you can report the DLC for being s... - ?

 

[zimms]

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I have to say though I was rolling my eyes throughout the first few days. The reaction, and especially the reviews posted by people on Steam really do demonstrate how unbelievably stupid people can be. I mean, I sometimes wonder how people this thick are able to stand upright and feed themselves

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Has your hysteria died down yet, OP?

 

[Zinegata]

The number of post's just saying that the Planetary Tech is s... is enough to offend those those responsible for this part of development.

How do you know they're offended to begin with such unearned confidence?

Again, people here love to be offended on behalf of the development team, without seemingly realizing that any developer worth his salt would be made of sterner stuff. More to the point, a responsible developer would take responsibility for the mess he created instead of hiding behind feigned offense to justify shoddy work quality.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

I'm not judging how much work it required, but how much content it adds for me.
This is a DLC to existing product, not the whole game, that adds walking around, some settlements and ability to do some FPS stuff. I'm not sure it's enough content for that price.
But that's just a small nitpick.

If you put it that way, yes I agree. However, software is expensive to produce and the alternative would be to not produce it. Although with FDev I get the overall vibe of overcharging the customer just a lil' too much, especially with cosmetics. These are ridiculously priced wrt to their quality and usefulness.

I don't disagree with you but I am concerned that when the issues are resolved, eventually and in the fullness of time, whenever it is, would it still be appropriate for thousands of Steam reviews to remain there saying the game isn't finished and is unplayable. Hardly anybody will change those reviews and if Steam doesn't do something to hide or remove them it could hurt the game, and ultimately the player base, in the long term.

Then FDev just has to work extra mile hard to convince these people with a brilliantly fixed Odyssey... just as Hello Games did. And the positives will outweight the negatives eventually. Of course there's a possibility that some of these players will never return... but I doubt so. It's a niche sim, with a rabid fanbase. Myself included, I'm still hanging out here looking at things while I very rarely play Elite at all. Mostly VR demos for friends because the base game was nice in VR before HL: Alyx. Now, not so much

 

[gooddoc]

I wonder if you can report the DLC for being s... - ?

Probably only through the Issue tracker or Forum feedback Thread.....................though not being civil would lead to any comments being quite rightly ignored

 

[zimms]

I'm not defending Frontier, I just think that if something is clearly broken, that's not the time to post a review.

Lol, it absolutely is.

"Don't buy this yet, it's clearly broken at the moment." sounds pretty fair to me. What do you think reviews are for? Or who they are for?

It's for other potential customers, not free PR for the company.

 

[avow555]

Alpha to full release in a couple of weeks with most of the bugs and optimisation Issues included.
If the expansion is getting slammed on steam and most of the gaming media it's because it's totally justified.
Fdev brought this s+++ storm on themselves with a very ill advised release.
To all those who have been around a long time I am pretty sure most knew this was going to be a total screw up after that alpha as this is the behaviour that fdev are quite predictable on.

The icing on the cake was the bribing of the various youtube toadies with ingame stations and personalised gifts!

 

[NotBiffle]

How do you know this. Is there any evidence for it? Frontier are producing something that has to work, and work flawlessly on millions of different hardware configurations. It's not like a console where they're all the same. It's a surprise to me that things work out as well as they do most of the time.

There are just the reviews that you claim are unfair on steam, the press reviews, the pages of complaints on this forum and elsewhere.

I do agree with your point about making it work on all those different hardware and software configurations. But other companies are capable of doing it, why cant Frontier? Why don't they even have enough respect for the people, that are the entire reason their business exists, to be honest about the state of the product they delivering?

Once again, all they needed to do was let people know, that would have been enough for me. I've been here a while, I know how they work. I personally would have preferred it be delayed until it was more polished and optimized, but would have settled for a little honesty.

A whole other demographic is the people they were trying to pull in with the FPS. A lot of those people will never have even heard of Elite and this is their first glimpse of the way Frontier operates. I would hazard a guess that there is a significant number of potential customers that have not only been alienated from Elite but Frontier in general.

 

[Shaele]

I would hazard a guess that there is a significant number of potential customers that have not only been alienated from Elite but Frontier in general.

This has definitely burnt me from ever giving Fdev or any project they are associated with any money in the future

 

[vtore7744]

I was referring to the barrage of Steam reviews all saying the game was crap when they ought to have known the current state of Odyssey wasn't what it was meant, or going to be. People should know you post reviews of a finished game, as they're very unlikely to change those reviews later.

It's still crap. When trying to visit POIs, they disappear / de-spawn at least 30% of the time entering SC. From SC they disappear / de-spawn at least 10% of the time. My review on steam will stay negative.

 

[fourrunes]

As an example, the "immediate reaction" of these people was "Odyssey is broken, it's unplayable, and this is clearly what the game is, what it was intended to be, and what it always will be". All this no more than 48 hours after the launch when patches and updates were already incoming, and Frontier had acknowledged the problems.

Your strawman argument comes short here because, to be honest, I have never seen even one replay like this, not here, not on steam nor anywhere else.
What people did say is that it should not have been fully released, and it was misleading to make a full release while your game is in this state.

And most people that said that - including myself - we know that most of the bugs will be fixed, but that's not the point.

The Hysteria died down because people understood that it's just not going to help. Fdev did not even acknowledge (as in we know it's a problem) the most troubling issues like Planet tech, low gamma.

 

[gooddoc]

How do you know they're offended to begin with such unearned confidence?

Again, people here love to be offended on behalf of the development team, without seemingly realizing that any developer worth his salt would be made of sterner stuff. More to the point, a responsible developer would take responsibility for the mess he created instead of hiding behind feigned offense to justify shoddy work quality.

So are you saying that you would be happy to have a job where people could openly be offensive towards you & you were expected to not let it have ANY effect on you?

Interesting to know what job you do cmdr, as I worked for 7 years in the Prison Service & know exactly how offensive some people can be towards you, just because of the job you do.
Abuse is abuse.....not just racist, sexist, homophobic.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I bought alpha access and played through the 3 phases doing the things we were directed to do quite happily, enjoying the 'new bits' and beleiving the CMs telling us we were playing an old version...

Release day arrives and I'm going "This is alpha, surely?" as it performed almost exaclty as badly...

I don't think it should have been released in its current state, so it does deserve the negative reviews given - £30 for a DLC is pretty much a PC game price if not coming from a 'major studio' who have to recoup many millions in development (which I still consider £50 for a game to be robbery - but I digress)...

I'm fortunate, I could play the alpha and am able to play this release. Not at settings I can play Horizons, but well enough to enjoy my time in-game. Reading around, there are quite a few who cannot play even with the 'recommended' specification PC...

 

[the100thmonkey]

As I read your OP and your replies to posts critiquing it, it became clear that not only do you not understand how Steam reviews work, but also that you didn't (at the time) understand that Odyssey is (even now) being sold as a complete DLC - finished, in other words.

It's a bit rich to call people thick when your own post could quite easily be characterised as such.

 

[Pigletslastand]

OP are you seeking to offend those who have offended others by using offensive language in a forum.. your language was incredibly insulting.

You have become the very thing you vowed to destroy!!

also no..hysteria will die down and we will go back to flinging mud at each other just as soon as we are able to play a working product that we payed full price for. Not before

 

[Cmdr Travers]

There are just the reviews that you claim are unfair on steam, the press reviews, the pages of complaints on this forum and elsewhere.

I do agree with your point about making it work on all those different hardware and software configurations. But other companies are capable of doing it, why cant Frontier? Why don't they even have enough respect for the people, that are the entire reason their business exists, to be honest about the state of the product they delivering?

Once again, all they needed to do was let people know, that would have been enough for me. I've been here a while, I know how they work. I personally would have preferred it be delayed until it was more polished and optimized, but would have settled for a little honesty.

A whole other demographic is the people they were trying to pull in with the FPS. A lot of those people will never have even heard of Elite and this is their first glimpse of the way Frontier operates. I would hazard a guess that there is a significant number of potential customers that have not only been alienated from Elite but Frontier in general.

The thing that bugs me, and I've asked the question several times in this thread, but not a single person has given a suggestion as to what might happen, is what's going to happen to all these negative reviews of Odyssey after the dust has settled and things are fixed?

Negative reviews can hurt future sales, that in turn can hurt Frontier, and hurt investment into Elite. Personally I am MUCH more concerned about being able to play a still supported Elite ten years from now, than I am in what happens during the next ten weeks.

 

[VR StarLightPL]

The thing that bugs me, and I've asked the question several times in this thread, but not a single person has given a suggestion as to what might happen, is what's going to happen to all these negative reviews of Odyssey after the dust has settled and things are fixed?

Negative reviews can hurt future sales, that in turn can hurt Frontier, and hurt investment into Elite. Personally I am MUCH more concerned about being able to play a still supported Elite ten years from now, than I am in what happens during the next ten weeks.

Then FDev just has to work extra mile hard to convince these people with a brilliantly fixed Odyssey... just as Hello Games did. And the positives will outweight the negatives eventually. Of course there's a possibility that some of these players will never return... but I doubt so. It's a niche sim, with a rabid fanbase. Myself included, I'm still hanging out here looking at things while I very rarely play Elite at all. Mostly VR demos for friends because the base game was nice in VR before HL: Alyx. Now, not so much

Hm?

 

[Pigletslastand]

The thing that bugs me, and I've asked the question several times in this thread, but not a single person has given a suggestion as to what might happen, is what's going to happen to all these negative reviews of Odyssey after the dust has settled and things are fixed?

Negative reviews can hurt future sales, that in turn can hurt Frontier, and hurt investment into Elite. Personally I am MUCH more concerned about being able to play a still supported Elite ten years from now, than I am in what happens during the next ten weeks.

Then read a little harder.. most of those reviews state they will change them to positive once Odyssey works properly as advertised

 

[Cmdr Travers]

As I read your OP and your replies to posts critiquing it, it became clear that not only do you not understand how Steam reviews work, but also that you didn't (at the time) understand that Odyssey is (even now) being sold as a complete DLC - finished, in other words.

It's a bit rich to call people thick when your own post could quite easily be characterised as such.

I don't understand how Steam reviews work! I don't understand how Steam reviews work?

How do Steam reviews work?

Seriously if all the negative reviews get auto-filtered when versions click over that would answer my initial question

 

[VR StarLightPL]

I am MUCH more concerned about being able to play a still supported Elite ten years from now

Don't worry, Braben promised he will release source code when it goes offline. Surely we can trust him 100% to do it.
[and then the community will finally finish this game, provided they aren't dead by then ;-)]