True, we should lie to everyone thinking about buying it that everything is perfectly fine, let them find out how bad things are after they spent their money, right?
Has the hysteria died down yet?
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They often do, as well. Plenty of games out there with poor initial reviews, but high recent reviews.
Well, if you don't, you'll get called names on here, apparently.
Good thing I'm too lazy to go through all the hoops to activate my FDev copy on steam then.
I'm referring to this specific thread, that started with nothing but ad hominem. Actually saying people shouldn't leave negative reviews just because the game is broken.
Guys like you are the reason games get released like this.While I will admit the release of Odyssey was, it's fair to say, botched. The fact that David Braben made a public apology within twenty four hours of the launch, and the fact there have been multiple patches and updates since show a determination to make things right on Frontier's part.
I have to say though I was rolling my eyes throughout the first few days. The reaction, and especially the reviews posted by people on Steam really do demonstrate how unbelievably stupid people can be. I mean, I sometimes wonder how people this thick are able to stand upright and feed themselves
As an example, the "immediate reaction" of these people was "Odyssey is broken, it's unplayable, and this is clearly what the game is, what it was intended to be, and what it always will be". All this no more than 48 hours after the launch when patches and updates were already incoming, and Frontier had acknowledged the problems.
But no, this is just what Odyssey was and clearly it was never going to be fixed, and so the thick gobby brigade posted their reviews and messages. It's quite pathetic really. Has it died down yet, as I very quickly switched off so I could read something intelligent instead
Fdev could have launched Odyssey in early access, when they saw that they won't get it done it time, because that is exactly what it is currently. And then less people would have felt cheated, and maybe the reviews would not have been so scathing.
True but I still feel that the reviews given are justified. I haven't even logged on today, because it just becomes tiring trying to dodge the minefield that is the EDO bug list. I was really looking forward to Odyssey, and came back after a long hiatus for it. So not exactly the welcome back I expected
And all this talk that people should not be let review within the refund window, or they shouldn't give a negative when a game is clearly broken, it is just wrong. Those who don't want to wait for FD to clean up their own mess are entitled to leaving a bad review, correctly reflecting their experience with the product at the time.
I think one large issue (being a delay) would be far better than releasing the state it is/was allowing people to pick it apart like they have with Horizons.
They could have saved themselves so much grief if they had just done that
At least on that last note we can agree on. Some suggestions from both sides makes me want to stab somebody with an umbrella at times
Look, we know that Odyssey is now in public beta. You know it, and so do I. And we both know that FDev lied about it to grab some cash before the end of the fiscal year. That is understood. And we don't mind being lied to, because we really, really want to play the game so badly, and our standards and expectations are low.
However, I'm not so sure if people holding developers to higher standards and demanding a finished game on release day are idiots. In fact they may be the smart ones, and we just project our own stupidity on them, because that makes us feel better. We point fingers at them and say, "Hahaha, how could they be so stupid not to realize they were being scammed?"
So yes, we may think they are idiots, but I'm sure the feeling is mutual. They probably think we are stupid for allowing this to happen. They may think that we are the reason why so many developers get away with releasing unfinished products these days.
And just to make this clear: By "unfinished" I don't mean a few occasional bugs. I mean so many bugs that when you play the game, you constantly run into things that are broken, and you wonder, how could this slip past QA?
No, but I’m talking about in terms of what’s broken about Odyssey. Those are facts and they do echo what the Steam reviews say as well. Just because some Steam reviews also add that the broken release was intentional in order to meet a financial deadline (I assume that’s the type of stuff you’re referring to), is just stipulation, which the person is also entitled to.
None of that minimizes the actual problems that are raised in many, many of the reviews, both on Steam and in official ones.
It was a double-whammy.
1) The game didn’t live up to everyone’s dream-crafted theories for what a perfect on-foot space game would be, which it never could have lived up to. Imagination is a wonderful thing.
2) It was a seriously bad launch, so people didn’t have an opportunity to say “well, it wasn’t what I hoped it would be, but it’s pretty good!”
Now that I think everyone can play without crashes and some performance improvements have blunted the worst bad effects, I think people are getting down to the business of playing the game, and it is indeed pretty good.
1) The game didn’t live up to everyone’s dream-crafted theories for what a perfect on-foot space game would be, which it never could have lived up to. Imagination is a wonderful thing.
2) It was a seriously bad launch, so people didn’t have an opportunity to say “well, it wasn’t what I hoped it would be, but it’s pretty good!”
Now that I think everyone can play without crashes and some performance improvements have blunted the worst bad effects, I think people are getting down to the business of playing the game, and it is indeed pretty good.
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With the OP agreeing that release was a massive bork show, but still holds fire to those stupid idiots for not giving the game a good review....
This thread should never have had existed.
At least it filled his day up with something.
With the OP agreeing that release was a massive bork show, but still holds fire to those stupid idiots for not giving the game a good review....
This thread should never have had existed.
At least it filled his day up with something.
Well it was fun for me atleast. Post after post i have slowly confirmed that the first impression i had of OP is probably correct
Kept me entertained while i had to sit in the train, soWell it was fun for me atleast. Post after post i have slowly confirmed that the first impression i had of OP is probably correct
you really want that "hysteria" though. because that's the only coverage elite will get from the general gaming media.
now, imagine the opposite would've happened though. a true milestone in immersive gameplay. a 1:1 scale galaxy to explore from a completely new perspective. it could've been sooo big. but unfortunately, we really are on the opposite side of the spectrum.
sure, it will die out, soon. we'll go from outrageously bad to just average and then it'll disappear from the radar once again.
now, imagine the opposite would've happened though. a true milestone in immersive gameplay. a 1:1 scale galaxy to explore from a completely new perspective. it could've been sooo big. but unfortunately, we really are on the opposite side of the spectrum.
sure, it will die out, soon. we'll go from outrageously bad to just average and then it'll disappear from the radar once again.
Sadly this is the real tragedy... it could have been so good, could have been a roaring success. It robbed us of celebrating it because as it stands i can't enjoy the good that is under the surface until someone's cleaned the crap off it first and disinfected it. They've missed the wave, like a surfer sat at the peak..we should be up and riding and whooping with joy!
No, that's exactly the time to post a review.