General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?
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Good news in France
15.8% of the total population received 2 doses of vaccine.
On the road to collective immunity.
15.8% of the total population received 2 doses of vaccine.
On the road to collective immunity.
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I would think that quoting what was said would be fine as it would be relevant to this topic, but discussion of any political slant would not be.
Tricky, but most people would know when they are crossing the line!
After nearly a month (but thankfully less than the up-to three) I’ve finally managed to get myself booked in for a vaccine next Friday.I wish I could book a vaccine - I’ve been trying every day since over-45s have been invited (UK) but keep getting met with a “Computer Says No” response
After much phoning around, it turns out my GP took me off their books as I’d not been to them since 2014 and because I’ve just re-registered it could be up to 3 months before the NHS system updates with my details. Perhaps I should just lie about being a Health Worker, like some people (in their 30’s) have done that I know about...
Looking forward to being part of the solution, not part of the problem (and the increased WiFi signal
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After nearly a month (but thankfully less than the up-to three) I’ve finally managed to get myself booked in for a vaccine next Friday.
Looking forward to being part of the solution, not part of the problem (and the increased WiFi signal
I’m considering getting an iPhone 12 now I come with my own 5G hotspot.
I actually met my first 5G nut job the other day. Was driving the taxi I was in. I almost thought they were just a myth!
No problem. Give it a year or two and 5G will be driving his cab for him.
The administration of a single dose of AstraZeneca vaccine "works very little against the Indian and South African variants," says the Institut Pasteur.
A single dose of this vaccine therefore appears "little or not at all effective" against the Indian variant, underlines the researcher.
A single dose of this vaccine therefore appears "little or not at all effective" against the Indian variant, underlines the researcher.
The administration of a single dose of AstraZeneca vaccine "works very little against the Indian and South African variants," says the Institut Pasteur.
A single dose of this vaccine therefore appears "little or not at all effective" against the Indian variant, underlines the researcher.
Yes it’s only around 33% effective after the first dose but >60% after the second. Fortunately over 36% of the U.K. population have had both doses of whatever vaccine they were given and of those at highest risk around 50% had Pfizer. Within the next month all those at higher risk in the U.K. will have been given opportunity of two doses.
It shouldn’t pose too much of an issue here where the India variant is definitely taking over. Will likely be a problem in India when they are using AZ pretty much exclusively and have a long way to go. They definitely won’t be able to delay the period between two doses like we did but two doses of AZ is very effective at stopping hospitalisation with all variants including the South Africa one.
How effective is one vaccine dose against Indian variant?
Study emphasises need for two doses
www.independent.co.uk
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30%.The administration of a single dose of AstraZeneca vaccine "works very little against the Indian and South African variants," says the Institut Pasteur.
A single dose of this vaccine therefore appears "little or not at all effective" against the Indian variant, underlines the researcher.
30% is the average; which 'average' they are referring to, I am not sure of. However: It is a bit like, half full or half empty, kind kind of thing. Your glass appears to always be; half empty.
I have had the 1st jab of the OAZ vaccine. So now I am more protected, than I was. Still feel drained and tired. The latest strain, (no longer the Indian strain) is not the only one, out there, waiting for me to catch it. I understand, that there are 1.000s of strains out there, no matter, because I am a little more protected, that I was before, from all of them.
That said. Just to quench your half empty cause. Two of the people who died in the Bolton area hospitals last week, had had both their jabs. No one said, which jabs and it doesn't really matter, they are obviously fell into the percentage of, 'the failure to protect.'
A more positive way to look at it is only 177 out of 5599 people that had the India variant had been vaccinated with two doses.
No vaccine works 100% unfortunately.
Really interesting article about the future of the OAZ vaccine by the Financial Times https://www.ft.com/content/2bae4886-78e5-4586-aa6f-2d3154e6d936
The bit that made me chuckle was a quote from the Moroccan health minister: Mortada Othmane, director of the Institut Pasteur in Tangier, said the country was “wise” to rely on the vaccine — and dismissed the concerns in Europe as political. “There is a political and economic conflict between the countries that banned the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, so they did not make the decisions because it is ineffective,”
Good to see that others can see it though.
The bit that made me chuckle was a quote from the Moroccan health minister: Mortada Othmane, director of the Institut Pasteur in Tangier, said the country was “wise” to rely on the vaccine — and dismissed the concerns in Europe as political. “There is a political and economic conflict between the countries that banned the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine, so they did not make the decisions because it is ineffective,”
Good to see that others can see it though.
So sad to see so much disinformation...
Let's start with the fact that this is NOT a vaccine
I get it - it's easy to call it a vaccine, but if you want to be technically correct, it is not.
Second, while most people who get the shot are fine so far....
More people have died from this "Shot" in the USA than from ALL real vaccines administered in over 15 years.
Yeap, that's a fact you can look up yourself on the CDCs website.
Now I totally get those numbers might not be 100% accurate - just like the deaths from COVID-19 in the USA might not be 100% accurate - I've seen reports that actual deaths from COVID-19 is 10% of what is reported.
Would you defend the classification of the man who died in a horrible car accident as having died from COVID? I won't.
Multiply that hundreds of times and it's understandable some people have questions.
The bottom line is we live in a world where the "Truth" is no longer valued.
That sucks.
We need honest people who report facts and don't spin things to make a point.
What ever happened to integrity?
That said, please understand it's extremely import that not everyone get the so called "vaccine."
You always need a control group no matter what, so having a percentage of the population not get this "emergency use" so-called vaccine is a good thing - later it will help us know for sure if it was really safe.
And since those 50-70 years old have a 99.5% chance of surviving COVID-19 WITHOUT TREATMENT, (per CDC- you can look it up yourself) why should people in that age range not wait for more info on this shot?
With an average age of death from COVID-19 of 80 years old (varies by country and state), I respect people who are much younger wanting to wait, but you don't have to - that's the beauty of freedom.
But still it's sad we live in an age where facts don't matter :-(
Oh well - carry on!
Zero
Let's start with the fact that this is NOT a vaccine
I get it - it's easy to call it a vaccine, but if you want to be technically correct, it is not.
Second, while most people who get the shot are fine so far....
More people have died from this "Shot" in the USA than from ALL real vaccines administered in over 15 years.
Yeap, that's a fact you can look up yourself on the CDCs website.
Now I totally get those numbers might not be 100% accurate - just like the deaths from COVID-19 in the USA might not be 100% accurate - I've seen reports that actual deaths from COVID-19 is 10% of what is reported.
Would you defend the classification of the man who died in a horrible car accident as having died from COVID? I won't.
Multiply that hundreds of times and it's understandable some people have questions.
The bottom line is we live in a world where the "Truth" is no longer valued.
That sucks.
We need honest people who report facts and don't spin things to make a point.
What ever happened to integrity?
That said, please understand it's extremely import that not everyone get the so called "vaccine."
You always need a control group no matter what, so having a percentage of the population not get this "emergency use" so-called vaccine is a good thing - later it will help us know for sure if it was really safe.
And since those 50-70 years old have a 99.5% chance of surviving COVID-19 WITHOUT TREATMENT, (per CDC- you can look it up yourself) why should people in that age range not wait for more info on this shot?
With an average age of death from COVID-19 of 80 years old (varies by country and state), I respect people who are much younger wanting to wait, but you don't have to - that's the beauty of freedom.
But still it's sad we live in an age where facts don't matter :-(
Oh well - carry on!
Zero
Facts don’t seem to matter to you unfortunately.
There are many different vaccines for this virus. There isn’t “A” vaccine and they all do the same thing in a different way, which a few seconds on a Google search for the definition of “vaccine” would have told you.
The variant is a little more contagious so infections go up, however being vaccinated (any of them) means the chances of getting seriously ill are far lower so massively reduced hospitalizations and no overwhelming of the medical services leading to peripheral deaths.Yes it’s only around 33% effective after the first dose but >60% after the second. Fortunately over 36% of the U.K. population have had both doses of whatever vaccine they were given and of those at highest risk around 50% had Pfizer. Within the next month all those at higher risk in the U.K. will have been given opportunity of two doses.
It shouldn’t pose too much of an issue here where the India variant is definitely taking over. Will likely be a problem in India when they are using AZ pretty much exclusively and have a long way to go. They definitely won’t be able to delay the period between two doses like we did but two doses of AZ is very effective at stopping hospitalisation with all variants including the South Africa one.
How effective is one vaccine dose against Indian variant?
Study emphasises need for two doses
The majority of the hospitalizations in Bolton are people too young to have been vaccinated yet (and anti-vaxxers
) which is a huge switch from how it panned out before.So on the bright side it's proof the vaccines work.
AgreedThe variant is a little more contagious so infections go up, however being vaccinated (any of them) means the chances of getting seriously ill are far lower so massively reduced hospitalizations and no overwhelming of the medical services leading to peripheral deaths.
The majority of the hospitalizations in Bolton are people too young to have been vaccinated yet (and anti-vaxxers
So on the bright side it's proof the vaccines work.
I've replied via 5G.
Belgian authorities announced Wednesday to restrict the anti-Covid vaccine from Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) to those over 40, pending the results of an investigation by the European regulator EMA into the death in Belgium of a young patient vaccinated who may have developed serious side effects.
She had been vaccinated with Janssen's single-dose vaccine via her employer "outside the Belgian vaccination campaign", it is specified.
The benefit / risk concept for this person did not work well.
And besides, it's her compagny that killed her.
I don’t know how I missed this one. That’s insane, someone may have had serious side effects after having a vaccine so they randomly restrict the use to over 40s?
It’s like the U.K. banning driving Citroen’s if you are over 30 because someone died driving one last week (which is obviously going to have happened somewhere).
But studies still need to be done by Pasteur researchers to verify that both doses are effective.Yes it’s only around 33% effective after the first dose but >60% after the second. Fortunately over 36% of the U.K. population have had both doses of whatever vaccine they were given and of those at highest risk around 50% had Pfizer. Within the next month all those at higher risk in the U.K. will have been given opportunity of two doses.
It shouldn’t pose too much of an issue here where the India variant is definitely taking over. Will likely be a problem in India when they are using AZ pretty much exclusively and have a long way to go. They definitely won’t be able to delay the period between two doses like we did but two doses of AZ is very effective at stopping hospitalisation with all variants including the South Africa one.
How effective is one vaccine dose against Indian variant?
Study emphasises need for two doses
Now also remains to be seen with the Vietnamese variant, if it comes in Europe.
So far researchers say a single dose is little or not at all effective against the Indian and South African variant.
In any case, once again, nothing convincing to encourage me to take a vaccine.
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Bonkers.I don’t know how I missed this one. That’s insane, someone may have had serious side effects after having a vaccine so they randomly restrict the use to over 40s?
It’s like the U.K. banning driving Citroen’s if you are over 30 because someone died driving one last week (which is obviously going to have happened somewhere).
How Belgium succumbed to the highest Covid death rate in the world
Regional divisions and flawed reporting of deaths put EU nation at the top of the table nobody wants to lead
www.theweek.co.uk
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