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Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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Well I'm member of multiple internet forums, I'm even moderator in some of those, but this forum has way greater percentage of angry curmudgeons than those other places I use
5,000 daily players? with an average of $90,000 a day income, currently $105,000.
Are those 5,000 players spending $20 every day?
I suspect WotGTheAgent is closer to the reality than the funding tracker is. That piece of cobbled together nonsense has never made any sense for me, purely judging by what I experience and who I see playing on a regular basis. The buying and selling of ships in the RSi store or on 3rd party markets is as much the game of Star Citizen than playing in the PU...
Talking to the long term denizens in concierge chat on Spectrum over the years, a good many of the regulars rarely play Star Citizen...yet they still buy, sell and shuffle their fleet of ships around like they're preparing for the BDSSE to appear sometime during their lifetimes. Most of them drop in to the PU when a new ship they own is released to flyable, float around saluting eachother in their gold armour for 30 minutes then go back to the virtual fleet management on Spectrum. They rarely get involved in testing and totally ignore the PTU cycles.
I know the ones that do play regularly if at all since most of them are on my contacts list
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I think the assumption that paying = playing is a bit strong
One of the most complete gameplay loops in SC is investment banking.
Mercury Star Runner Warbond Upgrade - Star Citizen Spectrum
Does the Mercury Star Runner Warbond Upgrade come with LTI?
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Does anyone know how long the Talon WARBOND CCU will be available for? I wish CIG would give a deadline for the limited availability things. Thanks.
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As per title, no Warbond CCU?
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As is usual in this thread saying you're not absolutist about the validity or accuracy about a piece of data that enters it just once, or twice, isn't good enough, it becomes the primary argument from there on until the next tangent comes along to be insanely over scrutinised.
So, you're right, maybe $8,000 a year spend for these 5,000 daily players is actually closer to reality than the MMO data set, its probably around $4,000 a year for 10,000 players.
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I know it might be "new" to this thread (it's not) but the debate about how many actual players SC attracts has been a really interesting topic for a lot of years now. In my opinion, SC is supported entirely by around seven to ten thousand massive whales, each spending between $5,000 and $10,000 a year. SC really gets zero (and I mean zero) interest in the mainstream gaming community or is welcomed with an immense amount of negativity anywhere outside the true believer's bubbles.
It's a hardcore, niche game and that doesn't attract a lot of casuals -- which is exactly what most backers feel is good for the game (hint: it's not).
It's a hardcore, niche game and that doesn't attract a lot of casuals -- which is exactly what most backers feel is good for the game (hint: it's not).
I wasn't casting stones here, you play and test a lot more than I do
So its probably not a few thousand players each spending the equivalent of one or two cash notes each day.
Because CIG are brining in an awful lot of money, one would believe much more than a small number of regular players should generate if we are to put our sensible hats on, they are generating $90,000 a day, if good sense tells us 5,000 daily regulars are not generating that level of money for CIG then our sensible hat would tell us its a lot more than that.
How many people actually play the game and spend money on a daily basis and how many people play the game but don't, our sensible hat would sugest the latter is vatly higher, ones sensible hat doesn't know but suggests the overall daily player count is more than 5,000, its more than 10,000, its probably more than 100,000 because how many people are really going to generate $90,000 every single day?
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Someone stole my comment. I think Agony acted suspicious recently.
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If the self-reported, unaudited figures actually mean anything.
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I see a fairly high throughput of players on the PU...you can always tell the newbies and casuals by the messages they post in the global chat. Most of them may appear once or twice and never again, that's outside of the freefly influx...the basic game package buyers who are just starting out. Some give up when they get frustrated by the bugs, even though most of the regular players help out by suggesting workarounds in the global chat. Jumping in to play a game and having to spend the majority of your game time working around non working or bugged features isn't what they're looking for.
Besides that, playing regularly you start to see the same names appearing, specifically for me on the EU servers. I see the same regular players from across Europe, French, German, Spanish and Italian in the main. These are the folks I don't already have on my contact list who I might not have joined in with during playing but we've passed the usual few words when you recognise someone's handle after seeing it a few times in the global chat....even the odd immigrant from across the pond late at night when the servers seem to merge for some reason...might be folk clicking on 'Best' in the server options..
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Wow, more in fantasy land than CIG themselves.
Besides the funding tracker not being any real indicator of what backers are actually spending...I would suggest it's more an indicator of Ci¬G's projected income across the board. We don't know how much is brought in and where from, how much is shuffled between the various shell companies, how much is trickle fed from investor's capital or how much is going straight back out the door again... or even how much is marked up for salaries, taxes, rents and business sundries and how much of what's left is actually being used for development...Ci¬G haven't really been that good at divulging any firm financial data at all besides their rather vague UK filings.
The funding tracker is like me writing my farm accounts on the back of a cigarette packet, probably just as accurate too
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Pretty sure is has been confirmed that not all citizens are backers. That the actual number of unique backers is less than half of all citizens.
That was stated by Turbulent many years ago.
No subscriptions.
I highly doubt the accuracy of the funding tracker, especially after the two negative days that popped up (on October 6th, 2020 for -$1,466,987 and October 28th, 2020 for -$542,055). Even if the tracker is accurate, Star Citizen doesn't actually generate a whole lot of money. Yes, $400,000,000 is a LOT of money -- but spread over a decade, including massive loans CIG still owns, years and years and years of work to be done on promises made over half a decade ago (let alone any new ones) and a burn rate of anywhere between $50m and $70m a year. Looking at the big picture, you start to realize that $400m isn't exactly a huge sum in that regard.
They've presold another half decade of development, easy. For God's sake, they sold land claims and a player related base building ship (the Pioneer) back in 2017. Four years, an $850 pre-ordered ship and I doubt you'll see anything in-game related to those mechanics until 2023 or 2024 at the earliest -- if ever.
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There's nothing 'insanely over scrutinised' about noting that the website you used is crap. It's wrong by well over a factor of 10 in every stat it cites there, according to CIG's own CEO:
| mmo-population.com | Chris Roberts | |
| Total Players | 13M | 1M |
| Daily Players | 757K | 30K |
It's crap. And obviously so.
Pondering just how far CIG's CEO may have spun his own figures is just a fun little sideline by comparison
Besides the funding tracker not being any real indicator of what backers are actually spending...more an indicator of Ci¬G's income across the board. We don't know how much is brought in and where from, how much is shuffled between the various shell companies, how much is trickle fed from investor's capital...Ci¬G haven't really been that good at divulging any firm financial data at all besides their UK filings.
The funding tracker is like me writing my farm accounts on the back of a cigarette packet, probably just as accurate too
I'm well enough acquainted with about 25 SC backers to know how and when they spend their money on the game.
2 of them have spent money on the game in this calender year, both less than $100, how much money have you spent this calender year, do you know how much your friends have spent?
IMO the bulk of people who play this game regularly, and i do mean the bulk of people do not spend regularly, i also don't believe the financial tracker is complete fiction, not if we again put our sensible hats on and take what we know about CIG and from that roughly figure out how much it costs to run CIG.
As for where the money on that tracker comes from, i'm constantly told its not as it currently is just shy of $375m, but in fact more like $450m because it doesn't include the tax rebates and investments CIG have received.
Are we now to reverse that to suit this argument?