ANNOUNCEMENT Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement

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Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
Ian Skippy said:
I suspect Rubbernuke would be fine with one big powerplay update, too. :)
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Whats sad is take a look at the content of the Powerplay update Sandro proposed. Its all formula tweaks and a few UI changes (bar the 'big one').

In size terms its half of the smallest quarterly update, no new assets or anything. What angers me the most is the Powerplay community was so desperate for some changes to come in they started to say "maybe pare it down so at least some of it is done."

Well- that triggered me. And still does. FD don't respect the game they make and seem to view previous features by previous leads as some rotten apple to ignore.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Rubbernuke said:
Well- that triggered me. And still does. FD don't respect the game they make and seem to view previous features by previous leads as some rotten apple to ignore.
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I honestly feel a bigger issue is that they do not understand. Sandro might have, but I bet you the average ED dev has no idea why these 'tiny' tweaks matter so much. Its why balance is so often so wildly off when introducing new stuff. I've seen plenty of online rage fests in other communities over a 3% buff or nerf, meanwhile FD goes:"Shall we half the damage? No? Triple it? Please just give us a ballpark, we have no clue whatsoever."

I'd be interested to see how many devs regularly do powerplay. I suspect the answer would be a pretty round number. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of the devs dont even know it exists at all. They are probably just busy working on the little thing they are assigned to, without having the overview people with 5000 hours in-game have on how it plays out in reality.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
Ian Skippy said:
The reverse is also true; people with a more negative outlook often consider anyone with a more positive outlook a shill, white knight and so forth. Its just the general tendency to assume that people with a similar opinion are smart and cool people, and people with a different opinion are stupid and evil and so on. The fact that these discussions take place outside of punching range while fully anonymous kinda enhances these biases I suspect: put some of the 'opposing sides' in one room and I bet the tone would be rather different. :)
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Yup I don't condone either side being derogatory.. i will point out posts from both sides though that are unbelievable as i have done in the past. And yes i do mean from both sides.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
VR SenseiMatty said:
Thank you Zack but this statement is not different from the VR announcement made for PSVR that in the end was never released so I will believe it only when I'll see it on a roadmap.
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Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. It may very well never come, he is not promising it, you should not believe it is coming as they literally just told you they have no plans of doing it as we speak. That is his message. In plain English.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Ian Skippy said:
Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. It may very well never come, he is not promising it, you should not believe it is coming as they literally just told you they have no plans of doing it as we speak. That is his message. In plain English.
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Yes and my answer is in plain English too. The safer assumption is that they will not work on VR anymore. Period.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
Zac Cocken said:
That's reasonable. I'm not trying to convince you it's coming (or not coming).
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I would like at this point to hear what David Braben has to say on the subject, someone who is actually taking the decisions. I would like to hear him reiterate that even if he can't do it right now he still wants to do it. If he can't do that I think it's time he tells us. Because like ship interiors, like Planetary atmospheres, like earth like worlds with flaura and fauna it was his words that inspired us to hang on while the team work out how to do it. And we've all been waiting a very long time and are being let down constantly. I want to hear from the man at the top what his plans are now in 2021.

If he no longer thinks it's possible or if he just wants to focus on other games. Tell us.

@Zac Cocken
 

NoVR - What_The_X_F_Dev

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NoVR - What_The_X_F_Dev
Zac Cocken said:
I understand that it might not be what you want to hear, but it is definitely the truth. I can't give you a definitive answer if VR will be developed further on or not, because that is the answer. At the moment it's not planned. It may be in the future. It may not. Not everything is set in stone.
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Zach - I know that we are a tough crowd, and I don't envy your position of being the intermediary between the discontented VR players and the company who is ruffling heir feathers, I know you are between a rock and a hard place....

....However, as much as I appreciate your recent honesty, I don't like the message you are being tasked with delivering, nor do many other VR players. But I hope you know our "hostility" is not aimed at you personally, nor at any of your colleagues, but is instead an expression of our displeasure with the company's current position expressed in the messages you are delivering. I think it is fair to say that we hope that the community management team will please retain their current honesty, and heed our concerns, and negotiate on our behalf with the company until a mutually acceptable position can be found. That precludes using wiggly words like maybe, or possibly etc...

As for what a mutually acceptable position might look like? The VR community understand that the company has bigger fish to fry just now, and no plan survives contact with the enemy, so any DATES on any roadmap are subject to change. But that should not affect the SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. So there is no reason NOT to say "We plan on doing X Y and or Z for VR, but there will be nothing happening with it until (insert milestone) after the roll out on consoles (for example)." Then we would KNOW that VR will be addressed, and would pipe down for a few months until that milestone was reached.

From experience, if Frontier says "No immediate plans", or "not at launch", they mean "no, not ever." Yesterday's message on VR was "No immediate plans", which based on track record was interpreted as no-never, today's message is "maybe someday", track record shows that's extremely unlikely to occur. You need to go back to the company and get us a "Yes, congrats, we're definitely going to improve VR by adding X Y & Z, but y'all need to know you are at the back of the queue, after this that and t'other." and you and your team will be heroes in the eyes of the VR players, and legends within the company for brokering a ceasefire with our angry mob.

We are passionate, but patient, if a statement appears that puts VR on the agenda, with a clearly defined place in the queue of things Frontier are working through, we will wait months for it, however, we must get that definite promise and commitment, not a vague loose hypothetically possible platitude.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Zac Cocken said:
That's reasonable. I'm not trying to convince you it's coming (or not coming).
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What is not reasonable is that devs got no VR plans for a game that is sold as a VR title (only the latest DLC is excluded). This is a weird situation and in my opinion the company should take a commitment.
"We don't know" is too easy. In fact people is not happy with this answer.
 
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Angus

Angus
Pigletslastand said:
Have you noticed that many positive comments for the game come with name calling and derision to the people who have genuine complaints? Calling people spiteful and Entitled even inferring that they are genetically defective to back up your point doesn't improve your argument.

I also have had fun in Odyssey! It's going to be a great game if it ever gets fixed and built upon. It's easy to be positive without calling people names.
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You either didn't read my post or didn't understand it. I addressed genuine complaints, which I have every sympathy for. If you can't see the negativity and entitlement that is going on here, on youtube, twitter and elsewhere, nothing I say will change your mind - and you were "inferring" I was advancing a somewhat (but only somewhat) flippant theory.
 

ECity

ECity
It's fantastic that VR on foot is not a priority. VR is a tiny part of the audience. There are many other items that need to come first.

This is a great decision that shows Frontier has their priorities correct.

The whining is a perfect example of the "one percenters" thinking they're the center of the universe.
 

[Cancelled Consoleer] boppa_

[Cancelled Consoleer] boppa_
Zac Cocken said:
That's reasonable. I'm not trying to convince you it's coming (or not coming).
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Hi Zac - appreciate the candidness on this particular subject. Will Frontier be providing an updated statement on PSVR, or updating the FAQ on the Frontier support website that suggests it's still being looked into?

I think it'd be great if, at some stage, this new forum communication strategy could extend to the Xbox and PS sub forums.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
CMDR Quarter-Master said:
Zach - I know that we are a tough crowd, and I don't envy your position of being the intermediary between the discontented VR players and the company who is ruffling heir feathers, I know you are between a rock and a hard place....

....However, as much as I appreciate your recent honesty, I don't like the message you are being tasked with delivering, nor do many other VR players. But I hope you know our "hostility" is not aimed at you personally, nor at any of your colleagues, but is instead an expression of our displeasure with the company's current position expressed in the messages you are delivering. I think it is fair to say that we hope that the community management team will please retain their current honesty, and heed our concerns, and negotiate on our behalf with the company until a mutually acceptable position can be found. That precludes using wiggly words like maybe, or possibly etc...

As for what a mutually acceptable position might look like? The VR community understand that the company has bigger fish to fry just now, and no plan survives contact with the enemy, so any DATES on any roadmap are subject to change. But that should not affect the SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. So there is no reason NOT to say "We plan on doing X Y and or Z for VR, but there will be nothing happening with it until (insert milestone) after the roll out on consoles (for example)." Then we would KNOW that VR will be addressed, and would pipe down for a few months until that milestone was reached.

From experience, if Frontier says "No immediate plans", or "not at launch", they mean "no, not ever." Yesterday's message on VR was "No immediate plans", which based on track record was interpreted as no-never, today's message is "maybe someday", track record shows that's extremely unlikely to occur. You need to go back to the company and get us a "Yes, congrats, we're definitely going to improve VR by adding X Y & Z, but y'all need to know you are at the back of the queue, after this that and t'other." and you and your team will be heroes in the eyes of the VR players, and legends within the company for brokering a ceasefire with our angry mob.

We are passionate, but patient, if a statement appears that puts VR on the agenda, with a clearly defined place in the queue of things Frontier are working through, we will wait months for it, however, we must get that definite promise and commitment, not a vague loose hypothetically possible platitude.
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Very well said. This post is excellent!
 

CaptainPugwash

CaptainPugwash
Ian Skippy said:
The reverse is also true; people with a more negative outlook often consider anyone with a more positive outlook a shill, white knight and so forth. Its just the general tendency to assume that people with a similar opinion are smart and cool people, and people with a different opinion are stupid and evil and so on. The fact that these discussions take place outside of punching range while fully anonymous kinda enhances these biases I suspect: put some of the 'opposing sides' in one room and I bet the tone would be rather different. :)
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Good points, but I must say the most of my interactions on this forum have been reasonably reasoned and honest, and
CMDR Quarter-Master said:
Zach - I know that we are a tough crowd, and I don't envy your position of being the intermediary between the discontented VR players and the company who is ruffling heir feathers, I know you are between a rock and a hard place....

....However, as much as I appreciate your recent honesty, I don't like the message you are being tasked with delivering, nor do many other VR players. But I hope you know our "hostility" is not aimed at you personally, nor at any of your colleagues, but is instead an expression of our displeasure with the company's current position expressed in the messages you are delivering. I think it is fair to say that we hope that the community management team will please retain their current honesty, and heed our concerns, and negotiate on our behalf with the company until a mutually acceptable position can be found. That precludes using wiggly words like maybe, or possibly etc...

As for what a mutually acceptable position might look like? The VR community understand that the company has bigger fish to fry just now, and no plan survives contact with the enemy, so any DATES on any roadmap are subject to change. But that should not affect the SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. So there is no reason NOT to say "We plan on doing X Y and or Z for VR, but there will be nothing happening with it until (insert milestone) after the roll out on consoles (for example)." Then we would KNOW that VR will be addressed, and would pipe down for a few months until that milestone was reached.

From experience, if Frontier says "No immediate plans", or "not at launch", they mean "no, not ever." Yesterday's message on VR was "No immediate plans", which based on track record was interpreted as no-never, today's message is "maybe someday", track record shows that's extremely unlikely to occur. You need to go back to the company and get us a "Yes, congrats, we're definitely going to improve VR by adding X Y & Z, but y'all need to know you are at the back of the queue, after this that and t'other." and you and your team will be heroes in the eyes of the VR players, and legends within the company for brokering a ceasefire with our angry mob.

We are passionate, but patient, if a statement appears that puts VR on the agenda, with a clearly defined place in the queue of things Frontier are working through, we will wait months for it, however, we must get that definite promise and commitment, not a vague loose hypothetically possible platitude.
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nicely put
 

Ereshkigal

Ereshkigal
[VR] CaptainPugwash said:
I just had my application for a refund denied by Frontier: they said I have played too much, and that their post on the subject had been clear: “We understand that VR is a big part of Elite Dangerous and is a feature that holds a dedicated and passionate community. However, we do strongly believe that VR should only be enabled for on foot gameplay when we have an experience that truly matches the same quality bar that we set for cockpits”

That to me implies that VR on foot was still planned, whereas now they are saying it is not.
Frontier!!!!!!
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Yes, I think they are not being straight on this. ‘Playing too much’ is one (possibly legit) reason for refusing the refund; the VR statement implies it will be available when (not if) they have it working well.
 
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