The Guardian Research Division

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
I keep trying to edit the first pages to tidy up everything and fix it all, but despite the first post in the thread only having 53,000 characters, and the supposed limit is 100,000, I still can't update.

Appolagies, it seems the new forum has borked everything.
 

Fosdyke

Fosdyke
Here some new depictions of those mysterious Guardians. We jump in time, million years ago...
hhyBShe.jpg


i4uJOvW.jpg


Took the time to make an alternative header if you're interested ;)

tB5HJBr.jpg


Here another variation :

UErDJeH.jpg


Third one :

iDsDp9g.jpg


Fourth one ;)

v3NVWJA.jpg


Fifth one , a slighty variation around.

knDzCaR.jpg


The last with blue.

uq380VZ.jpg
 
Last edited:

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
Untitled.jpg

1a has:

5x Thargoid wrecks
1x Guardian Structure
1x Ancient Ruin

Now, I'm a bit perplexed. Normally, you won't find both a Structure and a Ruin on the same planet, let alone so far away from the main Guardian bubble. Either my hypothesis about the Ruins being built by the Abolitionists is wrong - or, once the Thargoid War had ended, the Guardians began to re-populate the area of space in and around Barnard's Loop.

However, what does make the theory stronger regarding the Gaurdians "farming" the Thargoid Barnacles is the fact they seem to be in nebulas which the Thargoids favour to grow their Meta Allows. Especially since, the Thargoid Barnacles do seem to have an eerie logo representing Barnard's Loop - and the fact the Guardians had a war with them over territory, does seem to suggest Barnard's Loop having been the first area where the war erupted (potentially).
 

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
Maolagin said:
Incidentally, the presence of a Guardian Ruin there is also interesting from a lore perspective, if the writers have kept this straight, because our previous understanding was that the Ruins are newer than the Structures, and date from long after the end of the Guardian-Thargoid conflict. That suggests the Guardians came back, if only to establish their equivalent of a communications relay - but not to stay, since they didn't seed brain trees in the surrounding area.
Click to expand...

Pulled from thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/so-the-guardian-site-on-trapezium-sector-yu-x-c1-2.582269/

Indeed, I've had similar thoughts regarding this. The fact that there is both a Structure and a Ruin - if previous hypothesis are correct - then that means the Guardians may well have had the initial war at Barnard's Loop with the Thargoids, got beaten back (potentially to as far as where the Guardian Beacons are situated), only to then turn the tables and have the AI beat the Thargoids back all the way to Barnard's Loop.

What supports this is the Ancient Ruin - these were shrines (at least, what we gather from Ram Tah) to honour the dead.

It may be that this Shrine...

38344x2098.jpg


Is actually the first type of shrine the Guardians built - not because of the Civil War, but because of the Thargoid War - it could be that these shrines are to honour the fallen who had fought, on foot or on ship, against the Thargoids before they fought back and crushed them with the AI.

Here is the picture with both the Shrine and Barnard's Loop side by side...

Barnard's Shrine.jpg


Striking similarities, no?

Barnard's Shrine 2.jpg
 

Attachments

  • Barnard's Shrine.jpg
    Barnard's Shrine.jpg
    788.6 KB · Views: 136

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
Felix DiCestria said:
Interesting, I thought the site type depicted the Guardian homeworld being eclipsed by a moon.
The other two being a system map and some sort of sector map.
Click to expand...

Yup! Looks like the hypothesis on it being the homeworld has just been turned to dust!

At least we now know what this Ancient Ruin probably represents :)

Mostly, everything the Guardians do is "Visual" so perhaps there are more clues we haven't realised - such as this:

Suspected Nebula.jpg


Which nebula could this represent?
 

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
Okay, so after some careful analysis, I think I've came to a new conclusion...

There are 8 Nebulas in total (including Barnard's Loop itself) in and around the surrounding area.

1. Orion Nebula
2. Running Man Nebula
3. Barnard's Loop
4. Messier 78
5. Flame Nebula
6. Horsehead Nebula
7. Horsehead Dark Region
8. Orion Dark Region

There are two nearby, relatively speaking (I'll come back to those in a moment*).

1. Witch Head Nebula*
2. California Nebula*

To understand the "Alpha" Ancient Ruin (or what I prefer to dub the Thargoid War Shrine now) we need to understand this potential hypothesis: the symbols have both a 2D and 3D meaning to them. You cannot simply compare 3D space to a 2D interpretation.

So, here is my thought process regarding both the meaning and interpretation: the meaning is to honour the dead, the interpretation tells us where abouts the war occurred. It is a map, just as much as it is a shrine.

Untitled1.jpg

Untitled.jpg


This is my best guess...

As you can see from the second image, it does seem a solid lead.

Pretty sure the Witch Head Nebula and California Nebulas have had a Thargoid presence (please can someone confirm).

Which means, I'm thinking the two symbols highlighted in green - don't just mean nebulas - but also Barnacles present in those nebula. Hence, the two triangular mounds attached to those circular symbols, if they are to mean that those nebulas are indded the Witch Head Nebula and the California Nebula.

Considering the Ancient Ruin for-shadowed the presence of Thargoids in one or both of those Nebulas, this should be a solid discovery.
 

Spacerschoice-00

S
CMDR Dreamstate said:
Okay, so after some careful analysis, I think I've came to a new conclusion...

There are 8 Nebulas in total (including Barnard's Loop itself) in and around the surrounding area.

1. Orion Nebula
2. Running Man Nebula
3. Barnard's Loop
4. Messier 78
5. Flame Nebula
6. Horsehead Nebula
7. Horsehead Dark Region
8. Orion Dark Region

There are two nearby, relatively speaking (I'll come back to those in a moment*).

1. Witch Head Nebula*
2. California Nebula*

To understand the "Alpha" Ancient Ruin (or what I prefer to dub the Thargoid War Shrine now) we need to understand this potential hypothesis: the symbols have both a 2D and 3D meaning to them. You cannot simply compare 3D space to a 2D interpretation.

So, here is my thought process regarding both the meaning and interpretation: the meaning is to honour the dead, the interpretation tells us where abouts the war occurred. It is a map, just as much as it is a shrine.

View attachment 242388
View attachment 242390

This is my best guess...

As you can see from the second image, it does seem a solid lead.

Pretty sure the Witch Head Nebula and California Nebulas have had a Thargoid presence (please can someone confirm).

Which means, I'm thinking the two symbols highlighted in green - don't just mean nebulas - but also Barnacles present in those nebula. Hence, the two triangular mounds attached to those circular symbols, if they are to mean that those nebulas are indded the Witch Head Nebula and the California Nebula.

Considering the Ancient Ruin for-shadowed the presence of Thargoids in one or both of those Nebulas, this should be a solid discovery.
Click to expand...
https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/13-MAY-3307 asked for confirmation have you?
Also never noticed that the ruins depict that, so thank you.
 

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
Okay, so, going by the last image I posted:

Suspected Nebula.jpg

I don't think it is a nebula I'm looking at - but the sideways portrait of a guardian.

Guardian Face 01.jpg

So, some things that this tells us...

The individual pictured has a large voice box, below the chin. The "boomerang" shape, I think, are supposed to be sound waves - probably to signify dying a horrible death (considering the Shrines were built by the abolitionists*, they were probably trying to symbolize rubbing it in the Progressives' faces).

*I say abolitionists, but due to the Alpha Ruin likely being a Thargoid War memorial, before the civil war, it could have been that both sides (as one united race) practiced Shrine building up until the Civil Wars - the progressives forsook this, no doubt, as wanting to progressive with technology.

The blue you are looking at is a helmet or interface (and if you look closely at the white eyeball, a slither is seemingly connected by a cable to it - just not highlighted) - this interface would be connected to the other Progressive Guardians or AI through the Monolith Network.

Also note, the ears look flat, almost sideways and tipped upward. The eyes, rather the pupils, are sideways slanted - like a sheep or a goat. So although they have round eyeballs like us, their pupils are different.

Edit: The helmet/interface in blue, I think, also looks a lot like this... very familiar!

GT.jpg

But this also brings me to this piece:

G1a.jpg

It is a simple representation of damaged monolith(s)...

G2a.jpg


G3a.jpg

The more I'm looking at this Shrine, the more I'm convinced it is to do with the civil war - this Gamma ancient ruin (or Civil War Shrine) simply portrays the two sides fighting.

Judging by how you look at the angle of the face, facing upward or downward, depends how you feel about it. If the face is looking at an upward angle, it looks wounded, crying out. If it is looking down, it could look as if it is bearing down, shouting hate as the oppressor.

Perhaps it means both.
 
Last edited:

O'Khayyam

O
Just noticed that the new Ancient Ruin site out in the Trapezium Sector has active relic towers that will rise when approached with an SRV. Is that typical of a ruin site? Only recall seeing these at active Guardian Structure sites.
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot_0003.jpg
    Screenshot_0003.jpg
    314.1 KB · Views: 163
  • Screenshot_0005.jpg
    Screenshot_0005.jpg
    469.2 KB · Views: 150
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom