Moose or no Moose: The bet

yoav_r

yoav_r
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
Good pack, we just need to lure that gator away to open the gate for another, more interesting animal. Racoon anyone?
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Eh, the american alligator is on the top 10 most common species in zoos worldwide. I definitely support it over the racoon. Also, while I do love the racoon, my understanding is that in america it's considered a pest, not a zoo animal (I may be wrong though).
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
Aidan635 said:
I know that Moose inhabit various parts of Europe, but c’mon, when you think of North American animals, and especially Canadian animals, you think of the Moose, and there’s really no argument for that. Not trying to argue here, but Moose are iconic North American animals, and I think they can only be in a North America Pack.
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No, actually, a lot people outside north america don't. Most europeans think of grizzlys, mountain lions, skunks and racoons - so the animals a lot of american people here don't want in a zoo game, because they can't imagine they are zoo animals in other parts. And its plain out arrogant to say moose can only be in a north america pack when there are european regions, one of them being a rather small country, who have elk tourism, because there are so many of them. They have elk farms even!! (And yes, elks and moose are the same,if we speak of alces alces).

The unwillingness to learn a thing or two and actually shift perspective to OUTSIDE of own borders is beyond me and is getting more and more annoying. Is it THAT suprising that not the whole world is north america and that actually animals live in different part of the world and don't have a flag of the US or Canada between their antlers?
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
yoav_r said:
Also, while I do love the racoon, my understanding is that in america it's considered a pest, not a zoo animal (I may be wrong though).
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Isn't that exactly what Australians think about Dingos, though? But they are zoo animals in pretty much every other part of the world, so I don't see racoons being a pest in anerica an argument. They are actually an invasive species in germany and still kept in almost every zoo I've been to.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
Moose. Though I think it's a perfectly reasonable animal to put in a European pack, I think is more likely to show up in a North American pack. Actually whichever comes first, which I suspect will be North America. So definitely Moose, to me it's the second most likely animal to be in the pack (there's almost zero chance we don't get a cougar)
 

Aidan635

Aidan635
Swjosdotschka said:
No, actually, a lot people outside north america don't. Most europeans think of grizzlys, mountain lions, skunks and racoons - so the animals a lot of american people here don't want in a zoo game, because they can't imagine they are zoo animals in other parts. And its plain out arrogant to say moose can only be in a north america pack when there are european regions, one of them being a rather small country, who have elk tourism, because there are so many of them. They have elk farms even!! (And yes, elks and moose are the same,if we speak of alces alces).

The unwillingness to learn a thing or two and actually shift perspective to OUTSIDE of own borders is beyond me and is getting more and more annoying. Is it THAT suprising that not the whole world is north america and that actually animals live in different part of the world and don't have a flag of the US or Canada between their antlers?
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The Moose Wars have begun…

I knew the whole “American thinking only about America and not about anywhere else in the world” would come up here. I’m from North America, and yeah I know more about North American Animals, because well I’m from North America. I’m sure that Europeans know more about European animals, because they’re from Europe. While I might think that Red Deer and Gray Wolves come to mind when I think of Europe, you may think differently. Just like how Europeans think of skunks and raccoons when they think of N.A., and while yes they’re here, they’re definitely not what comes to mind as “North American animals”.

With that being said, can we agree that the Moose is a national symbol of Canada?
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
So, this moose thing keeps coming up…. Lots of people from Scandinavia seem to think it’s iconic of Europe, whilst many others (not sure about Europeans outside Scandinavia) think it’s more iconic of North America… As a quick poll, I think it’d be interesting to see where people are from, and what region they think of when they think of moose… I’m happy to go first.

I’m Australian - I associate moose most closely with North America.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
ElectricMonk said:
So, this moose thing keeps coming up…. Lots of people from Scandinavia seem to think it’s iconic of Europe, whilst many others (not sure about Europeans outside Scandinavia) think it’s more iconic of North America… As a quick poll, I think it’d be interesting to see where people are from, and what region they think of when they think of moose… I’m happy to go first.

I’m Australian - I associate moose most closely with North America.
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I'm Israeli and I associate the Moose with north america, especially Canada
 

nutrit

nutrit
I’m really hyped for the people that are so hyped for the NA pack 😄
Unfortunately I am not coz most of the temperate climate animals doesn’t give me any thrills. It’s probably because I live in that particular climate and tropical climate fauna interest me the most.
Maybe spring would bring something interesting for me since birds maybe except for the Shoebill and Argus seem also kind of unnecessary for me.

Moose or not to moose - I wouldn’t be surprised if it would be in the NA pack and wouldn’t be surprised at all if wouldn’t be included.

As somebody mentioned before it would be great if this pack included animals that live exclusively in NA and species like moose, beaver, Wolverine or lynx could find their way in the temperate animal pack along with Amur leopard, Przewalski horse and Père David’s deer.

So no moose.
 

Hugo98

Hugo98
I'm from Germany and I associate the moose with Sweden.

When I think about North American animals, the first that come to my mind are bison, grizzly bear, cougar, alligator and black bear. I know there's a large moose population in North America but for some reason it's not among my top 5 of NA animals.

Still, it would be totally fine to include the moose in a NA pack.The main point is that we get a moose, regardless of whether it's in a NA or in Europe pack.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
Aidan635 said:
The Moose Wars have begun…


With that being said, can we agree that the Moose is a national symbol of Canada?
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If you say so. It is as well a national symbol for sweden, so there is no exclusivenes to that. And it's a totally different thing than plain out claiming " a moose can only be in a NA pack and the whole world is accosiating North America with a Moose", because that's simply not true.
Neither is, unfortunately, that ALL people know more about their local fauna than their foreign fauna. Most people in germany that do not regular visit zoos could more easily name 5 NA animals - but the moose would not be among them. And that fact doesn't take away that zoo enthusiasts know about eurasian fauna and alces alces which, in fact, is officially called eurasian elk and not north american elk. So there is that for "it can only be in an NA pack".
 
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