Drew Wagar's Thoughts
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No Juniper, that's YOU assuming it's a hard promise.
EDIT let me clarify here .... I don't ever believe something will be in Elite Dangerous until I see the CMs specifically say it's going to be in the game and here's the date/update when it'll happen.
Until then it's always "things we'd like to do" no matter the wording used.
That's the misunderstanding I think.
All we heard was Arthur talking about it not being on the current roadmap and a definite no for being part of Odyssey. Arthur is a CM first of all and he was only decribing the current thinking of the dev team in expanding gameplay while also adding the ship interiors. It's not hard to see that adding both (gameplay and interiors) adds more tangible value to the game and that adding gameplay in general could be argued to be the higher priority.
The community says different? That's fine and who knows if Arthur wasn't even just testing the water .. the best chance for it then is a megathread describing the intricacies of how great the gameplay could be on interiors. Then, when adding gameplay / content it's obvious where the dev team should be looking to add it.
Will it be fixed in patch 8
When someone says something to me using the words "I will" rather than "I might" or "I would like to" then yes, I take that as a firm promise... or people's word means nothing. Now I can certainly accept the latter with regards to David Braben, but that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he made that promise.
"I will fix the bathroom light." vs "The bathroom light ought to be replaced" are two distinct and different intents.
I think Star Citizen will be released before we ever see ship interiors in Elite: Dangerous. That's how unlikely it is.
And me. And probably a whole load of other people. I'm not really sure why we're discussing the interpretation of that video, he literally said "you will". It's not really up for dispute.
Arthur Tolmie was on a Q&A video a few weeks after Odyssey was 'released', where he shut down any talk of ship interiors by telling us that we didn't really want them, and that the entire dev team were not interested or planning to ever do them, because they couldn't imagine how it would fit into their "gameplay loops". I forget the exact words he used, but you can search out the video on youtube if you like... it caused quite a consternation at the time, and many E: D youtubers covered it.
When someone says they'll fix the bathroom light, you assume it's been fixed instead of thinking that at that moment them saying "I will fix the bathroom light" is them declaring that fixing the bathroom light is something they want to do, but then they get a phone call, have to go out, are out for several hours, come back and have forgotten about the bathroom and didn't buy any bulbs while they were out and now they have no money and no time because they have to go out again ....
Just because someone says they'll fix the bathroom light, doesn't mean they will, it only means that at that moment, they would like to.
Actually ... I've decided I don't care what you think, feel free to carry on thinking Frontier promised ... you'll be wrong, but I've gone past the point of caring that you're wrong.
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I will fix the bathroom light .. down the line .. means something too.
Your guess good as mine (and mine good as yours) though if you wanted a splash headline, to try to reverse the trouble caused by Odyssey framerates, "Ship Interiors : This December!" might just do that? And powder is usually best kept dry. Aces, up your sleeve.
It's high priest elluminati level stuff though, something us pilots can only guess about.
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Ah yes, Arthur's "You think you do, but you don't" moment ... look how that worked out for Blizzard.
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You realize that ship interiors, among many other possible content post release outlined back then, was an expression of intent (not a promise) which was always based to start with on commercial viability of the franchise and sole FDEV discretion, and to be charged for separately only once released as DLC.
Many of those original plans and intentions (ship interiors is but one) have already come to pass by the way. From Newsletter 29 where FDEV outlined what they intended to do wrt future content DLCs after initial release:
- Green is delivered: With EDH, EDO and Fleet Carriers. Although first person combat happens rather outside star ports not inside.
- Red is not delivered yet: no ship interiors indeed yet.
- Orange is partially delivered: EDO´s thin atmospheres, updated planetary surfaces and new biologicals. Not yet delivered things like thicker atmospheres, liquid masses or prominent flora and fauna.
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10/10 for bravery that one lol.
You seem to have experienced a lot of untrustworthy people in your immediate environment.
Anyone got a stepladder I can borrow? I'm gonna do it!!
Yep.
I use that one all the time, but I'm still held to that promise... because I said I'd do it... usually reminded about it at least every six months.
And I think that's fair enough. You make a promise, you should follow through on it. If you don't, you're basically saying you're a liar. The timescales are less important.
Much like the perpetual alpha status of that other game, it ain't gonna happen. Sorry.
Much like the perpetual alpha status of that other game, it ain't gonna happen. Sorry.
I'm Welsh heritage you see .. "I'll do it now in a minute," really means something around here
I'll pray for you. Well, I'd like to. Somewhere down the line.
Not at launch though!
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