Unfortunately this is not a helpful description anymore. The book's final edit came before the galaxy was rebooted at some stage. This has resulted in systems changing contents, as can be seen if you try and follow anyone's system descriptions in the books. In addition the game graphics changed too, so there are now no blue-green gas-giants at all. I've spent an awful lot of time looking for that system and looking at every system I went to for months to see if there were any blue green gas giants. No cigar. I know others have expended considerable effort on that description too, to no avail.
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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Unfortunately this is not a helpful description anymore. The book's final edit came before the galaxy was rebooted at some stage. This has resulted in systems changing contents, as can be seen if you try and follow anyone's system descriptions in the books. In addition the game graphics changed too, so there are now no blue-green gas-giants at all. I've spent an awful lot of time looking for that system and looking at every system I went to for months to see if there were any blue green gas giants. No cigar. I know others have expended considerable effort on that description too, to no avail.
Yes, thought there was a discontinuity between the books and the game. But thought it was worth mentioning!
I do agree with the Dark Wheel invite idea, it’s a logical and elegant solution; however what could the prerequisites be?
We’ve been here before, but sometimes the simplest solution is the most elegant, unless of course FD changed the process (I’m a little bit suspicious).
It stands to reason the invite was possibly tired to SD and TDW, I presume the test was the older DW missions about the data crystals. But that’s by-the-by because from all evidence they no longer exist.
It’s possible the invite was therefore broken; later fixed or removed; we will never know.
Maybe the prerequisites for an invite are straightforward; get to Elite, go build reputation with TDW and get an invite.
However, we have the suspicion the TDW in SD is bogus (only brought in by the introduction of the Codex- then later confirmed by Drew). If that is the case - where to now?
If the above simple solution still holds, and FD simply amended the invite (not move it) then all one needs to do is get to Elite and grind out all reputations with all SD factions.
If that fails then it’s either broken, moved elsewhere (!) or simply no longer / never existed?
Rember FD last comms with me “we leave such discovery to the adventurous endeavors of our esteemed Commanders and intrepid explorers!”.
Maybe it is (or was) tied to exploration, maybe they binned the invite, or maybe we just have to find it!
I would propose any Cmdr with triple Elite and full reputations in SD ought to report it as a bug, not to ask for help but maybe write in a loaded question…any feedback may allude to something- it may not.
We’ve been here before, but sometimes the simplest solution is the most elegant, unless of course FD changed the process (I’m a little bit suspicious).
It stands to reason the invite was possibly tired to SD and TDW, I presume the test was the older DW missions about the data crystals. But that’s by-the-by because from all evidence they no longer exist.
It’s possible the invite was therefore broken; later fixed or removed; we will never know.
Maybe the prerequisites for an invite are straightforward; get to Elite, go build reputation with TDW and get an invite.
However, we have the suspicion the TDW in SD is bogus (only brought in by the introduction of the Codex- then later confirmed by Drew). If that is the case - where to now?
If the above simple solution still holds, and FD simply amended the invite (not move it) then all one needs to do is get to Elite and grind out all reputations with all SD factions.
If that fails then it’s either broken, moved elsewhere (!) or simply no longer / never existed?
Rember FD last comms with me “we leave such discovery to the adventurous endeavors of our esteemed Commanders and intrepid explorers!”.
Maybe it is (or was) tied to exploration, maybe they binned the invite, or maybe we just have to find it!
I would propose any Cmdr with triple Elite and full reputations in SD ought to report it as a bug, not to ask for help but maybe write in a loaded question…any feedback may allude to something- it may not.
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Sigh, Update 8 stops play! so I'll respond
I'm triple Elite, Admiral and King, Allied with ALL SD factions...no sign of a TDW membership test! Tha's what prompted me to go back to the codex entry and try to do an analysis of the wording to see if FD had obfuscated something.
I suspect Raxxla was originally just an Easter Egg for anyone randomly to find, then they decided to make it a storyline in its own right and that's behind the "personal journey" quote; the achievement of SD permit through Elite rank seems to be significant in that (access to SD system itself? or access to PF & TDW factions??). I suspect those old E/F SD missions were red herrings and someone thought they would get too much salt when that became known. I suspect the test IS accessible somehow, just don't know how. But some interesting things came out in my analysis this morning. The only person we know is a likely member is Liz Ryder (familial links), but that seems too obvious. I'm intrigued that both Felicity and Elvira (both offering G5 FSD upgrades) have "far sight" in common.
Drew said the lore he received (Allen Stroud's 6 volumes! I'm up to appendix C in his PhD thesis which presents more of that lore and a couple of short stories (entertaining, but incomplete!)) said SD TDW was a front, but didnt clarify if they were just chancers or a front for the TDW themselves. For storyline reasons he chose the latter. Could still be true- FD let his interpretation through proofreading and publication! (i.e. EITHER they agreed OR it's immaterial & tTDW in SD are just a red herring). The codex speech by Felicity says chancers are closed down rapidly (how does she know? to my mind inside information & she's a member!) and the SD faction are still going strong after several years!
I welcome any comments on those 7 analysis points I raised this morning!
I'm triple Elite, Admiral and King, Allied with ALL SD factions...no sign of a TDW membership test! Tha's what prompted me to go back to the codex entry and try to do an analysis of the wording to see if FD had obfuscated something.
I suspect Raxxla was originally just an Easter Egg for anyone randomly to find, then they decided to make it a storyline in its own right and that's behind the "personal journey" quote; the achievement of SD permit through Elite rank seems to be significant in that (access to SD system itself? or access to PF & TDW factions??). I suspect those old E/F SD missions were red herrings and someone thought they would get too much salt when that became known. I suspect the test IS accessible somehow, just don't know how. But some interesting things came out in my analysis this morning. The only person we know is a likely member is Liz Ryder (familial links), but that seems too obvious. I'm intrigued that both Felicity and Elvira (both offering G5 FSD upgrades) have "far sight" in common.
Drew said the lore he received (Allen Stroud's 6 volumes! I'm up to appendix C in his PhD thesis which presents more of that lore and a couple of short stories (entertaining, but incomplete!)) said SD TDW was a front, but didnt clarify if they were just chancers or a front for the TDW themselves. For storyline reasons he chose the latter. Could still be true- FD let his interpretation through proofreading and publication! (i.e. EITHER they agreed OR it's immaterial & tTDW in SD are just a red herring). The codex speech by Felicity says chancers are closed down rapidly (how does she know? to my mind inside information & she's a member!) and the SD faction are still going strong after several years!
I welcome any comments on those 7 analysis points I raised this morning!
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I think you’re on to something. The family connection is relevant I’m certain.
As you fit the potential prerequisites it stands no harm in reaching out to FD just to clarify, we only assume the invite works, it could be bugged!
In RL that would be called a key intelligence relationship node. It doesn’t tell us who is in charge but these ‘nominals’ can be mapped (link analysis) to identify potential modus operandi or even intelligence gaps.
But this is a game, so in-game mechanisms ought to play a part. There is also the issue RL writers may not understand RL human behaviour and have unintentionally convoluted the issue.
In RL humans are shockingly complacent, relationships do tell us something about who does what and where…
Exploration and building relationships with the Ryders; it’s a good direction.
As you fit the potential prerequisites it stands no harm in reaching out to FD just to clarify, we only assume the invite works, it could be bugged!
In RL that would be called a key intelligence relationship node. It doesn’t tell us who is in charge but these ‘nominals’ can be mapped (link analysis) to identify potential modus operandi or even intelligence gaps.
But this is a game, so in-game mechanisms ought to play a part. There is also the issue RL writers may not understand RL human behaviour and have unintentionally convoluted the issue.
In RL humans are shockingly complacent, relationships do tell us something about who does what and where…
Exploration and building relationships with the Ryders; it’s a good direction.
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And maybe rep building with factions in Sol & the Old Worlds where TDW likely originated since they've been in space exploration from the beginning (oooh, is that a reference to Sirius or some other commercial entity???)
My net connection is playing up - the bugs in EDO Update 6 are emerging early!
edit: I've got the Sirius permit so must be Allied with them..maybe need to do some rep building in the Old Worlds. The "intended" gameplay route would likely have led to this!
My net connection is playing up - the bugs in EDO Update 6 are emerging early!
edit: I've got the Sirius permit so must be Allied with them..maybe need to do some rep building in the Old Worlds. The "intended" gameplay route would likely have led to this!
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Where is the 3125 date coming from? I really need to put together a proper annotated timeline… trying to keep all this in my head isnt working
I’ve already started, using Wiki Timeline and Allen Stroud’s PhD thesis appendices. I have 3120 for the original Elite, so I guess Holdstock is about the same date.Where is the 3125 date coming from? I really need to put together a proper annotated timeline… trying to keep all this in my head isnt working
Was just thinking about the dark wheel base … didnt Drew say in his book it used to be in Tionisla? Was it supposed to be in the Graveyard? Cant remember now.
This mention of making themselves known to you is intriguing...dont we have a now ingame story arc with a certain individual making themselves slowly known to us and using the same sort of wording in their messages, also they dont like AEGIS(New found INRA) much like the Dark Wheel didnt like INRA, I am willing to bet this is the tied story arc to a permit zone where the Dark Wheel station resides, after all remember Cone nebula has a system with a population at one stage and marked as independent though still unreachable
Imagine you can only have access to a gate/portal to Raxxla right after weekly tick and for only some minutes
.There was a station run by the Memorial Authorities in Holdstock’s book, dont think that was a Coriolis. Seem to remember it was at the heart of the rotating memorial, which sadly is not in-game.
Drew had “TDW HQ” in the Tionisla Memorial-which I think was Rebecca’s old Cobra!
In the codex, Flis does say "shut down quietly", which is consistent with them being turned into a shell or front only. A large portion of the text is used to cast doubt on the Shindez organisation, and I suspect this is to explain the disappearance of the E/F missions.
Ahh thanks!
Are those guidebooks available anywhere?
Not by us directly, but he seems to have put a lot of the lore documentation as examples in his PhD thesis appendices
Edit: mind, FD could have retconned the heck out of it!!!
Was going to ping you-have you (or anyone else) done an analysis of the missions offered by PF and TDW in Shinrarta? If it is a front run by the real DW then I’d expect a few of those missions to direct the player towards the real DW faction. That would be consistent with DB sayings about we dont play the game as they expected & he knows there are missions that nobody has seen (because of that unexpected gameplay). Think we were supposed to follow the missions so some of them should be leads. Sorting the wheat from the chaff might be difficult though. Clearly the “personal journey we all must undertake” took us to Elite and SD permit, so there must be something that follows that stage using the game mechanics
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Not sure thats quite straight. The Tionisla Orbital Graveyard was curated by the Tionisla HIstorical Society. Rebecca's old cobra was just one of the memorials, no HQ, and was specially added by request to THS (in Premonition). Alex Ryder steals a ship from there in the original novella along with Terogian clone Elyssia Fields and then rendezvous with Rafe Zetter a tenth of a ly away in open space. See chapter 3: http://www.elitehomepage.org/dkwheel.htm
Yes, there was a station at the memorial “
Tethered below this vast, rotating mausoleum is the dodecahedral shape of a 'Dodo' class space station, the home of the Cemetery Authorites.
”
Have a search through Premonition. Pretty sure Luko said to Hassan that TDW HQ had existed for a while in Tionisla. Since Rebecca clearly was in TDW I assumed that was a reference to her old cobra. Her ship was added into the mausoleum by special request to the authorities & then she was killed in it by The Club mercs.
Tethered below this vast, rotating mausoleum is the dodecahedral shape of a 'Dodo' class space station, the home of the Cemetery Authorites.
”
Have a search through Premonition. Pretty sure Luko said to Hassan that TDW HQ had existed for a while in Tionisla. Since Rebecca clearly was in TDW I assumed that was a reference to her old cobra. Her ship was added into the mausoleum by special request to the authorities & then she was killed in it by The Club mercs.
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'You seem to know a lot about all this ...'
'I know my history, signor,' Luko said, tapping the side of his nose with a finger. 'This Dark Wheel, they appear and they disappear. Whenever a crisis occurs, there they are. For hundreds of years they have been turning the pages of the story. The Tionisla system is steeped in mucho ancient lore.' He shrugged. 'And now they take Salomé into their world, eh?'
Only ref I can find. The context is that Hassan has taken Salome to Tionisla orbital graveyard. So no ref to TDW HQ, only that Tionisla is important in history - the graveyard is a central theme to Drew and appears frequently in Premonition, and is also mentioned briefly in Reclamation. This being a nod to ch3 in TDW novella. But nowhere does it mention TDW headquaters as far as I can see.
'I know my history, signor,' Luko said, tapping the side of his nose with a finger. 'This Dark Wheel, they appear and they disappear. Whenever a crisis occurs, there they are. For hundreds of years they have been turning the pages of the story. The Tionisla system is steeped in mucho ancient lore.' He shrugged. 'And now they take Salomé into their world, eh?'
Only ref I can find. The context is that Hassan has taken Salome to Tionisla orbital graveyard. So no ref to TDW HQ, only that Tionisla is important in history - the graveyard is a central theme to Drew and appears frequently in Premonition, and is also mentioned briefly in Reclamation. This being a nod to ch3 in TDW novella. But nowhere does it mention TDW headquaters as far as I can see.