I didn't mean literally everything is found by FSS, but bodies and signal sources are found up to infinite radius within a system, unlike the old discovery scanner that had limited range. So if a system is honked these days, then all bodies and signals are shown. It cant show things that only exist within an instance such as the recent hidden megaship, and comets don't really exist as bodies in game even if things can orbit their non-existency (which is weird..)

The crystals found near Jupiter were sent by a remote probe as far as I recall, so no wormholes required. All old tech sub-light-speed travel, which limits the total range. So from Ackwada, >158 yrs to get the data if it goes at c..

The date of discovery can be calculated as 39 years after Rockforth was founded on Ackwada - 2673. So 2712 - so well after 2296 when Art Tornquist was chiding Cora. No data about when Berenquith was exploring that I can find, so cant say when he set off. Even at 0.5c, the dispatch of the crystal is well after 2296.

Beacon: Ackwada Discovery [Ackwada]

The official discovery of this system and its habitable planet is nowadays is credited to Augustus Brenquith, although the Rockforth Corporation claim the land deeds and development rights to the system. Thirty nine years after the Corporation declared the system its own; an ancient message capsule (a common way for sending messages at the time) was recovered from outside the orbit of Jupiter in the Sol system.

The discovery aroused considerable interest amongst archeologists on Earth at the time while the capsule was in transit to the New Delhi University there was heated debate as to whether the artefact should be opened or not. When the capsule was studied, the seal was seen to be broken, so the matter was resolved. Inside the capsule was a message crystal with the log of the second five years of Augustus Brenquith's solitary search for new worlds, his 'glittering lagacy', included in the list of planetary systems that he had stumbled upon was that of Ackwada.

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Beacon: Rockforth Corporation Founding [Ackwada]

The Rockforth Corporation was founded on Ackwada by the Rockforth Family in 2673, the family that first settled the world.

The Rockforth Corporation began by running Ackwada earning significant foreign exchange from tourism and 'genuine ground-grown food' which it sold far and wide, making very significant revenues. It has since grown into a powerful interstellar corporation, still specialising in agriculture and tourism, with the corporation running giant corporate farms on habitable worlds across especially Federal human space. It has also become quite acquisitive, buying up many of its client companies.

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Yes, was just tweaking your tail a little! Put it down to my old age! Though I think I’ve always had a weird sense of humour 😁

Augustus Brenquith returning his discoveries back to Sol via a data crystal conveyed by old style probe makes sense of it being found out at Jupiter...old style ftl drives arrived on the outskirts of a system.

Not sure however about the fss not detecting things hidden in an instance, re the megaship in question. It can detect other megaships! But this is exactly my suspicion about Raxxla-it exists in its own instance (“galaxy”) which can only be accessed via the Omphalos Rift’s “tunnel” (i.e. hyperspace transition). But since a Rift is effectively a hole in space-time then would the fss detect it? I suspect not.

@simulacrae : yes, that passage about Brenquith’s “legacy” has always struck me as a bit strange. Perhaps it is an invitation to research!
 
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Do we really know that? In the beginning the discovery scanners hade different ranges
I think we do, and I recall a hoo-hah about it at the time, and a confirmation from FD, but my initial search didn't return anything concrete. For instance, the probes in Sol which are quite a long way out were suddenly visible to all which upset a few folk who'd spent a long time finding them.
 
Example of what it cant detect?
In addition to the comets that are kind of invisible, it can't detect ships in normal space. Ships needs a beacon to be detectable (is this the case for fleet carriers as well? ).
According to the codex even stations will go undetected, if the emissions are low enough.

For natural objects it seems that 135km is the minimum size for a single object. Smaler objects are only detected if they are part of a cluster or ring.
 
Example of what it cant detect?
The megaship in an asteroid belt in the recent Hesperus storyline. You had to drop into the belt to discover it. Though other things can be detected in asteroid belts-e.g. several stations orbit within belts.

So it seems to me that objects in-game have either a detectable/undetectable flag, or a value within which they are detectable but not otherwise. The latter has been seen before in-game, things only becoming visible within so many light seconds. FD could set that range to zero and it would be undetectable.
 
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Been doing some missions in Van Maanen’s Star of late. Is there a lore (or any other) reason why The Guardians of The Free Spirit faction are nowhere in-game. They are mentioned in the system description as owning the system, but seem to have been overtaken by the Sublime Order of Van Maanens. Odd!!
 
Been doing some missions in Van Maanen’s Star of late. Is there a lore (or any other) reason why The Guardians of The Free Spirit faction are nowhere in-game. They are mentioned in the system description as owning the system, but seem to have been overtaken by the Sublime Order of Van Maanens. Odd!!

From what I can see after keyword searching all of Galnet, The Elite Timeline, and the wiki, the only mention of The Guardians of The Free Spirit is in the system description. Unless they’re a call back from lore in an older Elite game. I also find their mention as odd, coupled with the description that “They believe in maximum hardship and live underground on several of the inner planets of the system. It is forbidden by Federal Law to enter the system without the permission of the Guardians.”
 
Also found this: The Van Maanen's planetary system is the home of a radical religious sect that believes in suffering as the key to salvation. Mining is done without machines, and any surplus money that is not needed to satisfy basic requirements like oxygen, food and water is burned in a sacred ceremony. The system is only accessible with a special permit. Due to the banning of ordinary trade items, Van Maanen's Star is a haven for smugglers.
 
Been doing some missions in Van Maanen’s Star of late. Is there a lore (or any other) reason why The Guardians of The Free Spirit faction are nowhere in-game. They are mentioned in the system description as owning the system, but seem to have been overtaken by the Sublime Order of Van Maanens. Odd!!
Captain Jupiters adventure in the van Maanen's Star: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/frontie...on-the-frontier/on-the-wrong-side-of-the-law/

This is an official short story that came with FE2, written by David Massey.

All the shorts are here: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/frontier/books/stories-of-life-on-the-frontier/
 
I'd also like to add that there are still undiscovered planet types (but ofcourse the question is if they are actualy in game). These are "RoguePlanet" "X" and "Exotic" (however that last one disappeared from EDSM). These can be found when searching for suns on EDSM but give no examples. EDSM uses in game files for that data.
 
Those are astronomical body types permitted by the game logfile specification, v3.0 of which is here

A system in-game must comprise of at least one “star” and the permitted “star” types are listed in section 12.2. Exotic stars (X, e.g. quark stars, see Wikipedia) are hypothesised in astronomy but I dont think any have been actually spotted, but Rogue Planets have indeed been found IRL.

We dont know if X or Rogue Planets are in-game. But this spec permits them. So I think Raxxla could be classed as a “Rogue Planet” and would likely be in its own instance accessed by the Omphalos Rift gateway/tunnel; however until we find it we wont know. X star types don't appear to show in galmap if you filter for them.
 
Captain Jupiters adventure in the van Maanen's Star: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/frontie...on-the-frontier/on-the-wrong-side-of-the-law/

This is an official short story that came with FE2, written by David Massey.

All the shorts are here: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/frontier/books/stories-of-life-on-the-frontier/
Thanks! I’ll read those later!
So, is it possible that “Guardians of The Free Spirit” in the Van Maanen’s system description is a hangover from FFE, but were renamed by FD, possibly because there was a heretical sect in Christianity with a similar name, or was the faction itself taken over by Sublime Order?

It just puzzles me that they seem to have been renamed as “Sublime Order of Van Maanen’s Star” with no reason given. Why not change it in the System description?

The only reference I found in ED lore is that a character in one of the stories in Tales from the Frontier claims that as his religion.
 
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It just puzzles me that they seem to have been renamed as “Sublime Order of Van Maanen’s Star” with no reason given. Why not change it in the System description?
I might well be wrong here, but I seem to have a very vague recollection that Guardians of The Free Spirit did originally control the system, but very early BGS shenanigans got them ousted completely, bringing Sublime Order of Van Maanen’s Star to power there.
 
Thanks to Jorki I started reading up on systems with descriptions.

Two permitted systems have descriptions stating that the inhabitants have a subterranean culture and are strictly guarded. Van Maanens Star and Ross 128.

The reason I mention these is because I think we’re being pointed to something inside a planet via Galnet, possibly in a system where a permit is required for entry.

Another permitted system I believe was alluded to was Phekda.

The Winking Cat Galnet article that states that "High-profile crimes such as this have resulted in the 'winking cat' motif becoming a popular anti-establishment symbol, appearing in advertising, graffiti and music. Ironically, the calling card of an art thief is now itself a culturally significant work of art.". By itself this would mean nothing but when reading Phekdas description the Ancients of Mumu is mentioned and if I’m not mistaken they too were a band that was a popular anti-establishment symbol.


The first Winking Cat article describes the very strict security measures to protect the artwork and mentions criminal a lot. This falls inline with Ross 128 in my opinion with its subterranean prisoner cells.

There’s also the Winking Cat article where the painting “Penance Street” is returned. I’m thinking Penance could be alluding to Penitentiary in reference to Ross 128.

One of the Far God cult articles mentions a survivor found underground in a cryopod. A female named Kiona O’Connor. Van Maanen’s Star is an underground society and there is an outpost named O’Connor there as well. As yet there’s no reason for Van Maanen, Ross 128, or Phekda to be permit locked.

Perhaps some of these random system descriptions are being used for more than just flavor text. Or I’ve read too much and are making connections out of nothing.
 
I might well be wrong here, but I seem to have a very vague recollection that Guardians of The Free Spirit did originally control the system, but very early BGS shenanigans got them ousted completely, bringing Sublime Order of Van Maanen’s Star to power there.
Must have been before I got my free Sidey!
Or else my memory is even worse than I thought...👴🏻
 
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