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Having paid for this half finished product of theirs almost a year ago, that kind of does make it my business imo.
Update on Communication
- Thread starter Arthur Tolmie
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I'm not trying to diminish the effort you put in to your post, but with so much content in the game since you played briefly in 2015, why is fdev's "social presence" important?
To be fair, much of the 37 pages in this thread make me chuckle. People wanted contact from the CMs (understandably) and Arthur posted what was effectively a confirmation the game is not dead, don't worry, but decisions are still being awaited on * things *. And it generated all this lol.
I wonder what everyone would have done with their time instead had Arthur not posted this week.
I believe there's an energy vampire at FDEV.
It all falls into place...first, there was the "delay" for consoles until sometime in the fall. That got a little bit of frustration for him to feed off, but overall not too bad. Then there are the tasty emotions from upset PC CMDRS from the horrific launch. Oh, that's good, but it wanted more! Mr. Braben then comes out and delays consoles INDEFINITELY! It's been gorging itself on that since July, but wants MORE! So no Dev updates since October, no comms through January, oh tasty!
I have a few suspicions about who this vampire might be, but the vampire drudges might have me banned.
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It's not about agitation, it's about me having an interest in what they're up to. Not that I can do anything about it, but I feel I have a right to know to some extent given that they have my money.
What if everyone on the forum played the game?Then let your imagination run wild for a minute... What if the whole team finally started playing the game?
THAT would certainly lead to a longer delay, but would be amazingly productive in the long run - and would certainly not be announced in this forum.
Just a tiny, innocent example of what if...
Haha, glad at least one other person sort of agrees with me. (See, I'm really not THAT crazy!)I have read all 4 chapters and I generally agree. But... (there's always a but) I remember just before the last wall of silence, I think it was Arthur, saying something like "actions speak louder than words", if not literally. I take such statements as promises, and for me it would be even more devastating than any silence, however long, if they were to announce something now that they cannot deliver.
So for now I'll stick with my suspicion (which includes potential apprehension) that there are certain internal difficulties that are none of my business or anyone else outside of the studio. Maybe we should just keep it low and stop acting like paparazzi here.
I can appreciate your stance and when I think about it, there's a certain peace in that mentality. With your outlook, information flow (even if sporadic) is a wonderful and welcome surprise because it carries with it the weight of promise and certainty. I sort of envy you for that as it is a positive outlook.
For me, communication is a must, even if the communication is "Hey I have nothing do add". This is mostly due to my job where communication flow has to be constant, by definition, otherwise really really serious stuff happens (death, damage to highly complex equipment, environmental disaster, all that good stuff). This means a lot of negative reports; negative meaning reporting even the lack of something occurring. So when I read the corporate-speak fluff in the OP, I just scratch my head and wonder "Why not speak like a normal person?" It's quick to say "Hey guys I know you're all nervous. Please trust that we're still working. We have nothing else to report, truly. We appreciate the passion you have for ED." That's non-committal and shows they're still listening. It's not corporate-speak. It doesn't impact stock price and it doesn't promise anything specific. Will it still tick people off? Yeah, probably, but $5 says they're at least a little bit less mad than when they read the OP.
Appreciate your time reading the wall of text I wrote and thanks for responding! o7
I'll be honest, I don't quite follow your first sentence so it's tough for me to answer (and I'm sorry that I'm missing your meaning). I'd like to take a stab at it, though:
1) I was trying to support the posters in here requesting more frequent comms, even if those comms are only "Hey we're alive and we still hear you!".
2) I was perplexed why FDev CMs would list a bunch of (my opinion) foolish social media taskers sucking up their time when the community may not want that. In cognitive systems engineering, this would be where the designers/creators of a product think they know better than the user. The user is the entire point of the design and the user should drive the product creation. If the users (the ED community) are asking for CMs (the designer/creator) to be more present and posting in forums, then the solution is to do exactly that. The solution is NOT to make livestreams and Twitch Drops (what is a Twitch Drop anyway?) and shows. If the community really does want that stuff, then I stand corrected and will happily move along.
3) You're right, not playing from 2015 until essentially now means I have indeed missed out on so much content. And to me, it really is a lot because I'm only doing this stuff for the first time. That doesn't make it "so much content"; it just means I haven't exhausted it yet. A lack of content has easily be masked by grinds or other restrictions. So I can't say with certainty if there is or isn't a lot of content. Apparently, to the community and the old-hats that have done this for the umpteeth time, it's not really a lot. I think it's why I see "Ocean wide and inch deep" here and there. I can't say whether they're right or wrong; I'm just going on what I'm reading and trying to take it with a healthy dose of skepticism.
4) This is just me asking the question because I don't know: How does Arthur's post translate to "the game isn't dead?" Businesses and corporations lie all the time. People lie all the time. People give false hope because delivering bad news invites criticism or attack and is generally an uncomfortable thing to do. Arthur could post all day about content update this and content update that and feature X and feature Y. It's just all talk until concrete evidence is produced. You know the CMs more than I do so perhaps its trustworthy. I just assume everyone is lying when I hear promises like that in life, games, work, etc.
You make a pretty interesting point with your last sentence. I know I burned a lot of time reading and posting in this forum as a result.
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Oh no, no Elite streams from Frontier. Elite is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!
My opinion .... is Elite Dangerous dead? No. Has Frontier stopped supporting Elite Dangerous? No. Is Elite Dangerous Frontier's flagship game? Yes and No. The Elite game series will always be Frontier's Flagship game because that's where it all started for David Braben (he might say different, who am I to argue with him?).
And if Elite is "dead" and they stop development, so what? it's only a game. Frontier Elite II and Frontier First Encounters were played long after Frontier stopped supporting them.
To borrow a line from another franchise close to my heart, Myst ... "The ending has not yet been written."
My opinion .... is Elite Dangerous dead? No. Has Frontier stopped supporting Elite Dangerous? No. Is Elite Dangerous Frontier's flagship game? Yes and No. The Elite game series will always be Frontier's Flagship game because that's where it all started for David Braben (he might say different, who am I to argue with him?).
And if Elite is "dead" and they stop development, so what? it's only a game. Frontier Elite II and Frontier First Encounters were played long after Frontier stopped supporting them.
To borrow a line from another franchise close to my heart, Myst ... "The ending has not yet been written."
The game is dead (PS4).
Can't wait for Starfield. I'm buying an Xbox just for it.
Can't wait for Starfield. I'm buying an Xbox just for it.
The game will never be really dead look how long people waited from the Amiga days ... Are the numbers going down significantly ? I dunno my squadron is on the up ( Xbox PC and PS) . Some of my friends have gone off to do other games . But that could just be burnout . Even my time in game has taking a small drop( after 6 years) . But people love the game , they will come back, eventually . Other games will have the same following .
Only problem in comparison to the predecessors here is: once the servers go down this game is done for...
What? You mean I can't still use the macOS client?
Being that Odyssey has been out for quite a while my question is how long did the Mac fraternity have to wait before the dreaded chop message came through?
Here's the announcement thread:
News - Important Mac announcement
Hello Commanders, It is with great sadness that we must announce the upcoming end of Elite Dangerous on Mac. Firstly, we want to reassure you that this decision did not come lightly and is something that we have been investigating for some time. As many of you will know, despite our best...
Mac OS client support ended in Dec 2018 with version 3.3 so quite a while. With hindsight this might have been the point internally where it was decided or realised that Horizons would need to be included for all clients.
That situation isn't quite the same as for consoles though because there was crossplay between mac & PC clients already.
Let's hope that this will really work... Although I already wonder how any additional progress will be saved then.
But ok... That's a lot of if and maybe.
I have no idea what Frontier's contingency plan is for if/when the day comes to turn off the servers, but I would like to think they allow the community to host private servers, so groups like Hutton Truckers or Mobius host a server themselves for people to log into and play.
But obviously I have no idea.
So … was the client / server version that supported Mac archived and released as per the other quoted post from Mr Braben …Here's the announcement thread:
News - Important Mac announcement
Hello Commanders, It is with great sadness that we must announce the upcoming end of Elite Dangerous on Mac. Firstly, we want to reassure you that this decision did not come lightly and is something that we have been investigating for some time. As many of you will know, despite our best...forums.frontier.co.uk
Mac OS client support ended in Dec 2018 with version 3.3 so quite a while. With hindsight this might have been the point internally where it was decided or realised that Horizons would need to be included for all clients.
That situation isn't quite the same as for consoles though because there was crossplay between mac & PC clients already.