Wow...my Anny needs additional scanner now
The Quest To Find Raxxla
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A side note worth mentioning: FSS scanning can reveal dark nebula and other denser patches of the sky from a fairly good distance away. There is the that whole line on the Alleged Toast of the The Dark Wheel which reads: "To the jewel that burns on the brow of the mother of galaxies!" which could be related to this. FSS scans may pick up areas where dark nebula are. Also, "jewel on the brow of the mother of galaxies" could be a system that appears to be located on the galactic plane itself from a particular location. This effect is highly dependent on your location in the galaxy and noticeably changes as you jump systems. Given that The Dark Wheel was rumored to have gotten its start possibly as far back as the 21st century I wonder if this has to be done from Sol or Tau Ceti?Q1:
"So perhaps we're just running around in circles, when really all we have to do .. is sit still in right place and wait for Raxxla to come to us."
=> Nice thought! But Raxxla either would be dependant on celestial body's gravity (so moving) or the system's star/barycenter (moving too). The right position is just impossible to get
For the hexedit with Zurara's logs, someone found a long time ago that it can lead to a system named Kwati or Kwatis (can't remember which one). At that time, we had some server issues on a planet: clue?
Q3: "Has anyone decrypted / unpacked Elite Dangerous game files and looked for any reference to Raxxla?"
=> Tried with notepad++ for both Raxxla and TDW, the only result i get are the codex entries.
Facts 2. "It cannot be detected by scanners, so you have to visually find it (like Dark Wheel)."
=> Pulse Wave Scanner can help us. At original release of this module utility it was said that it can detect "anomalies". Btw, you can see things with the pulse when triggered, even in the black!
For clarity: this worked from a good 300 ly away and ended up taking me on a journey to an area called the Lupus Dark Region B. I had noticed the effect shortly after leaving Coalsack region when doing FSS scans as I was jouneying out towards the Holloway Bioscience Research Facility 15.
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That almost sounds like a hint we need to be checking the rings of ringed gas giants a bit more thoroughly. Though wouldn't you still need to DSS scan the rings first to know where to look. Otherwise, you are pretty much dealing with a needle in a haystack situation.Wow...my Anny needs additional scanner now
I was under the impression that The Dark Wheel is also near Sol? possibly in one of the core systems. how many players do you think float around looking for stations visually? I'd say 0. If it won't show up on your navigation panel or in system map, then nobody would notice.
I'm not sure what you mean by using to find stations that are not in navigation panel or system map, you mean hover around the moon where TDW could be and then use too look around?
I also went thru the systems that are in both, Elite 1984 and ED. Ra system has gas giant with 8 moons and Tionisla has 7+1 (which I doubt is correct).
I haven't done much research oh TDW, so not sure about it. Only line I know is that it orbits 8th moon of a gas giant.
Anyway in case people missed what I suggested about Raxxla in my previous post, I quoted out my own messages that might be significant clues to finding Raxxla.
Also I just visited the beacon in Tionisla and it says that some of the message is encrypted with unknown encryption and rest is in plain text "The vain queen rides a giraffe that remembers her daughter's hero".
Did this message refer to where to find Zurara? I read something about, that "Vain queen" is apperently Rebecca and "giraffe" is some kind of sign and it apperently points to something.
But what caught my eye, is the encrypted message. Where is that encrypted message?
If this beacon was clue to find Zurara, then there's a high chance that "hexedit" directly refers to decrypting this encrypted message, but where is it?
The Vain Queen refers to Cassiopeia, the Giraffe refers to Camelopardalis, and the Hero Refers to Perseus. All those Constellations are in the direction of the Rift as viewed from our sun.
Ill just throw this down here. Since I've stated this theory before in other places. Its my (VERY tenuous) theory that Raxxla is in CD-37 10033:
The short of it:
Guardian Civ + Wclass stars.
Reading though the old data from guardian obelisks, it implies very subtly guardian connections to Wolfs. Particularly how the stars cooling affected their evolution, and rise of civilization.
Guardian "Bubble" is mostly centered around a Wolf, "Gamma Velorum".
Second Guardian "Bubble" is also centered around a Wolf as well.
Guardian AI constructs are missing from history.
Guardian Constructs gone somewhere far.
Constructs speak to humanity via dreams.
Dark Wheel know this, spent centuries gathering up "evidence" from affected individuals, records at hidden station, never actually found physical Raxxla.
Jasmine Haley and Gan Romero have dreams recently. EDIT (now D-2 as well! From the Hyford Cache mystery at Oaken Point)
Jasmine says; "I saw a place of extraordinary beauty. A paradise. It was truly wonderful. This was no dream – it was a glimpse of something very real. We must find this place. It could be our future".
She also describes them as "architects of creation"
Romero records; "an area of space, not black but radiant…glowing like heaven"
Systems inside single system nebulas have a sky bright and radiant (like Bubble Nebula).
CD-37 is a Wolf-Rayet inside such a nebula.
As stated; VERY tenuous. Have to assume with little evidence of Raxxla-Guardian connection 1st.
Basic gist: We got to find the DW base (my money is in Polaris) first before we can properly look for Raxxla. The records there will reveal both the length of time the DW has been looking for Raxxla, as well as all their accumulated evidence for it's existence.
The short of it:
Guardian Civ + Wclass stars.
Reading though the old data from guardian obelisks, it implies very subtly guardian connections to Wolfs. Particularly how the stars cooling affected their evolution, and rise of civilization.
Guardian "Bubble" is mostly centered around a Wolf, "Gamma Velorum".
Second Guardian "Bubble" is also centered around a Wolf as well.
Guardian AI constructs are missing from history.
Guardian Constructs gone somewhere far.
Constructs speak to humanity via dreams.
Dark Wheel know this, spent centuries gathering up "evidence" from affected individuals, records at hidden station, never actually found physical Raxxla.
Jasmine Haley and Gan Romero have dreams recently. EDIT (now D-2 as well! From the Hyford Cache mystery at Oaken Point)
Jasmine says; "I saw a place of extraordinary beauty. A paradise. It was truly wonderful. This was no dream – it was a glimpse of something very real. We must find this place. It could be our future".
She also describes them as "architects of creation"
Romero records; "an area of space, not black but radiant…glowing like heaven"
Systems inside single system nebulas have a sky bright and radiant (like Bubble Nebula).
CD-37 is a Wolf-Rayet inside such a nebula.
As stated; VERY tenuous. Have to assume with little evidence of Raxxla-Guardian connection 1st.
Basic gist: We got to find the DW base (my money is in Polaris) first before we can properly look for Raxxla. The records there will reveal both the length of time the DW has been looking for Raxxla, as well as all their accumulated evidence for it's existence.
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FD confirmed in this thread that the Polaris permit is not currently active nor available to players. Ergo Polaris is narratively locked.
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9692839
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That just means we can't get in Polaris yet. not that the DW base isn't in there (lore-wise).
No it doesn't... but we can make some well reasoned assumptions about it not being there...
1) The Polaris, LFT 509, and several permit locked systems, have had their systems maps revealed to us, due to an improper implementation of GalMap on Freight Carriers.
If I remember correctly, neither showed any stations, orbital or surface.
2) Raxxla, has supposedly been in-game, and accessible to cmdrs, since full game launch atleast. This has been well reasoned and is widely accepted and believed. If we take that as fact, it's not a far assumption to then believe by extension, that the DW station would also have been in-game from this time. (Pre Horizons this would have to be an orbital station which would then show on the system maps we have)
Based on those, it's likely that any unobtainable permit systems have nothing to do with raxxla/DW, unless we disregard the assumption they've been in game and accessible, even atleast since Horizons.
For either the DW stations or Raxxla to be in those systems, they would have to have basically no implementation at all, even at this time... which I admit is still just as plausible a suggestion as any other at this point, but it is a wholly terror inducing thought that fdev would have gone this long without inserting them, while giving us the codex entries and several "hints" about it actually being ingame already.
I tend to believe Polaris is locked simply due to its previous lore regarding thargoids, and that it may only get unlocked, if ever, if the thargoids reach that area of space (again?
), or maybe some superweapon like Mycoid is still being developed there in the 'storyline' and its for that...Anyways... there are arguments for everything at this point, but you have to take somethings with multiple gains of salt, and read between the line forsure
Edit, addon: I have to believe that Drew W. wouldn't have been so adamant, for so long, about his conversation with MB indicating that it was in game and accessible, if it wasn't true.
I have to believe, since they were good friends and Drew was a dedicated player and writer, that if Drew had gotten the wrong idea or was barking up the wrong tree, that MB would have corrected him fairly quickly after or during that conversation, and if it was after, just told Drew to fain recollection, say they were talking about a bunch of things and maybe Drew just misunderstood and for him not to reinforce that it's ingame and available for as long as he has....
If it turns out it's not true, and MB lied too/mislead Drew, it would hurt atlot of people, not least of which I'm sure, would be Drew himself, not that I speak for him at all, especially if their conversation was as direct as is believed. It would also end up likely driving alot of players away from fdev as a company when/if it does come out that they've mislead players for 7+ years.
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Nothing is confirmed regards Raxxla or the Dark Wheel; anything is potentially permitted within reason until proved otherwise.
Being devils advocate I’ll try and respond to your own assumptions, this is not meant to be counter intuitive but to challenge any and all assumptions, even my own. And open the floor for critical thinking.
We don’t actually know if any content - if it is potentially within a permit locked system is currently visible, that it maybe obfuscated either because they don’t appear on a scanner (eye ball Mk i only) or it simply requires FD to actively turn/insert them in/on.
Likewise it is equally possible that the evidence provided of the content of these ‘empty’ systems is evidence they are not related to the DW / Raxxla; it therefore remains an unknown or intelligence gap.
Raxxla is described as being in game and within the galaxy it has never been described as ‘accessible’; please provide a source if there is one because this potentially is one of the biggest bits of evidence which could flip our assessment of the evidence from ‘maybe’ to certain.
It is believable that the Raxxla / DW station would not be in-game for all this time, as it is not outside the realms of plausibility.
It is not a nice idea but it’s not impossible; as there is no evidence to the contrary; any informed assumption must be made upon existing evidence anything else is conjecture / projection and open to bias, as such this falls under an intelligence gap, its in the unknown, if it’s an unknown it’s still possible, we must be open to our own biases, again it informs the previous assessments / assumptions.
FD states Raxxla is in game but they never confirmed it’s accessible, if it is narratively locked it can technically be said to be in game but not actually physically there.
eg ‘we know where it is - because we hand crafted a system for it, the location exists, however it’s empty, but the content exists because we storyboarded it, it’s forms part of our 10 year narrative and will get inserted at x date.’ (Not a quote but a made up example).
It is logical to assume that unobtainable permits may simply be irrelevant; based upon FD behaviour of removing / delaying content, therefore the possibility of there being no implementation at all, remains a possibility.
Equally said permits may be relevant, therefore it falls within an intelligence gap, and it is possible that Polaris is locked simply due to its previous lore relationships, and is not related to the DW / Raxxla.
The existence of the codex doesn’t confirm any such content is currently in game, this was confirmed by FD when I directly questioned them (evidence in thread) regards these entries, as they answered with their catch-all phrase that certain factions and permits may not currently be active.
Such an informed assumption identifies that some parts of the codex are narrative implements, possibly to prime us for future content or to cover over historical errors / retconned lore.
Any statements made by senior executives or employees although reliable due to being a public statement, may not be totally trustworthy, as said conversations could have been made out of context, or said parties could themselves have been misinformed; content is open to change or removal from game altogether or may be totally narrative in nature.
From time to time DB made many statements regards proposals for future content, many of which were very detailed, many of which were storyboarded, some were coded and exist in the game logs; these were never resolved.
FD also confirmed they have removed content from the game; it is also apparent other content has either been removed or nerfed for the future, such as the ‘mission packs’…
The current CM stated ‘it’s out there’…’of course it’s out there’… ’the payoff would need to be big’… what that means is open to interpretation. However said statement mirrors almost exactly what said CM said regards other narratively driven content.
Said CM in the same statement confirmed FD insert content over time, an informed assumption is that such statements don’t confirm anything except that of a narrative element; however they are purposefully non confirmative due to the nature of the IP so it open to debate.
So what FD say is not 100% concrete, it is open to interpretation / change due to the development nature of the game and that all major content is actually drip fed and inserted over time.
Drew’s interpretation of the event although trustworthy is also still not directly known, and his interpretation of the event has changed over the years. Not saying it’s not true, but the context has been muddled, it could be biased.
At most, we can ‘choose’ to believe that FD public statements are accurate and trustworthy; if that holds true then an assessment can be made that there is a realistic possibility Raxxla is in game and discoverable that equates to a 50% likelihood, meaning it either is or isn’t… but maybe it is…
Anything else is open to debate or is an intelligence gap…
Being devils advocate I’ll try and respond to your own assumptions, this is not meant to be counter intuitive but to challenge any and all assumptions, even my own. And open the floor for critical thinking.
We don’t actually know if any content - if it is potentially within a permit locked system is currently visible, that it maybe obfuscated either because they don’t appear on a scanner (eye ball Mk i only) or it simply requires FD to actively turn/insert them in/on.
Likewise it is equally possible that the evidence provided of the content of these ‘empty’ systems is evidence they are not related to the DW / Raxxla; it therefore remains an unknown or intelligence gap.
Raxxla is described as being in game and within the galaxy it has never been described as ‘accessible’; please provide a source if there is one because this potentially is one of the biggest bits of evidence which could flip our assessment of the evidence from ‘maybe’ to certain.
It is believable that the Raxxla / DW station would not be in-game for all this time, as it is not outside the realms of plausibility.
It is not a nice idea but it’s not impossible; as there is no evidence to the contrary; any informed assumption must be made upon existing evidence anything else is conjecture / projection and open to bias, as such this falls under an intelligence gap, its in the unknown, if it’s an unknown it’s still possible, we must be open to our own biases, again it informs the previous assessments / assumptions.
FD states Raxxla is in game but they never confirmed it’s accessible, if it is narratively locked it can technically be said to be in game but not actually physically there.
eg ‘we know where it is - because we hand crafted a system for it, the location exists, however it’s empty, but the content exists because we storyboarded it, it’s forms part of our 10 year narrative and will get inserted at x date.’ (Not a quote but a made up example).
It is logical to assume that unobtainable permits may simply be irrelevant; based upon FD behaviour of removing / delaying content, therefore the possibility of there being no implementation at all, remains a possibility.
Equally said permits may be relevant, therefore it falls within an intelligence gap, and it is possible that Polaris is locked simply due to its previous lore relationships, and is not related to the DW / Raxxla.
The existence of the codex doesn’t confirm any such content is currently in game, this was confirmed by FD when I directly questioned them (evidence in thread) regards these entries, as they answered with their catch-all phrase that certain factions and permits may not currently be active.
Such an informed assumption identifies that some parts of the codex are narrative implements, possibly to prime us for future content or to cover over historical errors / retconned lore.
Any statements made by senior executives or employees although reliable due to being a public statement, may not be totally trustworthy, as said conversations could have been made out of context, or said parties could themselves have been misinformed; content is open to change or removal from game altogether or may be totally narrative in nature.
From time to time DB made many statements regards proposals for future content, many of which were very detailed, many of which were storyboarded, some were coded and exist in the game logs; these were never resolved.
FD also confirmed they have removed content from the game; it is also apparent other content has either been removed or nerfed for the future, such as the ‘mission packs’…
The current CM stated ‘it’s out there’…’of course it’s out there’… ’the payoff would need to be big’… what that means is open to interpretation. However said statement mirrors almost exactly what said CM said regards other narratively driven content.
Said CM in the same statement confirmed FD insert content over time, an informed assumption is that such statements don’t confirm anything except that of a narrative element; however they are purposefully non confirmative due to the nature of the IP so it open to debate.
So what FD say is not 100% concrete, it is open to interpretation / change due to the development nature of the game and that all major content is actually drip fed and inserted over time.
Drew’s interpretation of the event although trustworthy is also still not directly known, and his interpretation of the event has changed over the years. Not saying it’s not true, but the context has been muddled, it could be biased.
At most, we can ‘choose’ to believe that FD public statements are accurate and trustworthy; if that holds true then an assessment can be made that there is a realistic possibility Raxxla is in game and discoverable that equates to a 50% likelihood, meaning it either is or isn’t… but maybe it is…
Anything else is open to debate or is an intelligence gap…
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"1) The Polaris, LFT 509, and several permit locked systems, have had their systems maps revealed to us, due to an improper implementation of GalMap on Freight Carriers.No it doesn't... but we can make some well reasoned assumptions about it not being there...
1) The Polaris, LFT 509, and several permit locked systems, have had their systems maps revealed to us, due to an improper implementation of GalMap on Freight Carriers.
If I remember correctly, neither showed any stations, orbital or surface.
2) Raxxla, has supposedly been in-game, and accessible to cmdrs, since full game launch atleast. This has been well reasoned and is widely accepted and believed. If we take that as fact, it's not a far assumption to then believe by extension, that the DW station would also have been in-game from this time. (Pre Horizons this would have to be an orbital station which would then show on the system maps we have)
Based on those, it's likely that any unobtainable permit systems have nothing to do with raxxla/DW, unless we disregard the assumption they've been in game and accessible, even atleast since Horizons.
For either the DW stations or Raxxla to be in those systems, they would have to have basically no implementation at all, even at this time... which I admit is still just as plausible a suggestion as any other at this point, but it is a wholly terror inducing thought that fdev would have gone this long without inserting them, while giving us the codex entries and several "hints" about it actually being ingame already.
I tend to believe Polaris is locked simply due to its previous lore regarding thargoids, and that it may only get unlocked, if ever, if the thargoids reach that area of space (again?
Anyways... there are arguments for everything at this point, but you have to take somethings with multiple gains of salt, and read between the line forsure
Edit, addon: I have to believe that Drew W. wouldn't have been so adamant, for so long, about his conversation with MB indicating that it was in game and accessible, if it wasn't true.
I have to believe, since they were good friends and Drew was a dedicated player and writer, that if Drew had gotten the wrong idea or was barking up the wrong tree, that MB would have corrected him fairly quickly after or during that conversation, and if it was after, just told Drew to fain recollection, say they were talking about a bunch of things and maybe Drew just misunderstood and for him not to reinforce that it's ingame and available for as long as he has....
If it turns out it's not true, and MB lied too/mislead Drew, it would hurt atlot of people, not least of which I'm sure, would be Drew himself, not that I speak for him at all, especially if their conversation was as direct as is believed. It would also end up likely driving alot of players away from fdev as a company when/if it does come out that they've mislead players for 7+ years.
If I remember correctly, neither showed any stations, orbital or surface."
=> Remember the Adamastor: it was not on scanner but has been found in a cluster of asteroid belt.
Belts & Rings are rarely visited by players, because they are boring, so it would be the perfect place!
CM confirmed in relation to the Adamastor storyline, that FD insert content into game over time, as part of their narrative; even into areas where players have visited days previously where there was no evidence of activity.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.
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I don’t belive it was ever specifically stated that is was accessible. Only that it was “in game” and “we know why no one has found it”.No it doesn't... but we can make some well reasoned assumptions about it not being there...
1) The Polaris, LFT 509, and several permit locked systems, have had their systems maps revealed to us, due to an improper implementation of GalMap on Freight Carriers.
If I remember correctly, neither showed any stations, orbital or surface.
2) Raxxla, has supposedly been in-game, and accessible to cmdrs, since full game launch atleast. This has been well reasoned and is widely accepted and believed. If we take that as fact, it's not a far assumption to then believe by extension, that the DW station would also have been in-game from this time. (Pre Horizons this would have to be an orbital station which would then show on the system maps we have)
Based on those, it's likely that any unobtainable permit systems have nothing to do with raxxla/DW, unless we disregard the assumption they've been in game and accessible, even atleast since Horizons.
For either the DW stations or Raxxla to be in those systems, they would have to have basically no implementation at all, even at this time... which I admit is still just as plausible a suggestion as any other at this point, but it is a wholly terror inducing thought that fdev would have gone this long without inserting them, while giving us the codex entries and several "hints" about it actually being ingame already.
I tend to believe Polaris is locked simply due to its previous lore regarding thargoids, and that it may only get unlocked, if ever, if the thargoids reach that area of space (again?
Anyways... there are arguments for everything at this point, but you have to take somethings with multiple gains of salt, and read between the line forsure
Edit, addon: I have to believe that Drew W. wouldn't have been so adamant, for so long, about his conversation with MB indicating that it was in game and accessible, if it wasn't true.
I have to believe, since they were good friends and Drew was a dedicated player and writer, that if Drew had gotten the wrong idea or was barking up the wrong tree, that MB would have corrected him fairly quickly after or during that conversation, and if it was after, just told Drew to fain recollection, say they were talking about a bunch of things and maybe Drew just misunderstood and for him not to reinforce that it's ingame and available for as long as he has....
If it turns out it's not true, and MB lied too/mislead Drew, it would hurt atlot of people, not least of which I'm sure, would be Drew himself, not that I speak for him at all, especially if their conversation was as direct as is believed. It would also end up likely driving alot of players away from fdev as a company when/if it does come out that they've mislead players for 7+ years.
At the very start of this thread there is a video of a guy talking about a developer that specifically stated that a commander jumped into the system where Raxla is located, scooped and jumped away. But that was years ago now. The statement at that time was “it’s been visited at least once”.
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That statement is still an unknown as it’s not totally corroborated and exists only singularly, so it’s reliability is very low (?).
Granted it is very plausible, and I would have a hunch it maybe true but… a little more corroboration is needed.
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-8951556
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9349898
That statement is still an unknown as it’s not totally corroborated and exists only singularly, so it’s reliability is very low (?).
Granted it is very plausible, and I would have a hunch it maybe true but… a little more corroboration is needed.
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-8951556
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9349898
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I remember that being debunked, I think Drew was one of the ones debunking it.
I wouldn’t go so far as debunked.
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-8951556
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9349898
Post in thread 'The Quest To Find Raxxla'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-8951556
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9349898
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Good point, rather less of a refutation than I recall that one.
Then there is this… not sure of the veracity. But if these sources can be confirmed…the reliability could be raised significantly.
Post in thread 'Turning the Wheel'
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/turning-the-wheel.546088/post-8488856
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/turning-the-wheel.546088/post-8488856
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haha first time I have seen that one, Just as I think I am gettong over Raxxla, she pops up again like a mental ex who you thought you wouldn't fall for again