General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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Antivaxers are a shrinking demographic. đź‘»
We should be nice to them. They may not have long to live at 170% the death rate for heart disease in men, in the USA.
Is there an answer as to why you're claiming this is a general effect across all age groups, when the study you linked to specifically highlights that it was essentially limited to old white men?
 
No one is hating on ivermectin, just the fools that use it to try to prevent or treat COVID. There is no compelling evidence it can do this, but it can poison people if dosed incorrectly, and even when dosed properly under the direction of a medical professional ivermectin is far more likely to produce dangerous side effects than any approved SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, and the latter actually work.
Much like how we continue to be frustrated with the overuse of antibiotics in livestock in some places, leading to resistant strains, even as those same places also refuse to vaccinate their animals against vaccine-preventable diseases which are communicable to humans.
 
Antivaxers are a shrinking demographic. đź‘»
We should be nice to them. They may not have long to live at 170% the death rate for heart disease in men, in the USA.
See, this has been an opinion widely held for as long as vaccination has existed. However, successful mass vaccination programs increased the survival rate of antivaxxers to where their replacement rate vastly outstripped their mortality rate, unfortunately. The same is happening with successful mitigation measures against covid spread worldwide. ou cannot simply count on antivaxxers to die off faster than they spread their ideas, and their continuing presence persists in harming others.
 
Is there an answer as to why you're claiming this is a general effect across all age groups, when the study you linked to specifically highlights that it was essentially limited to old white men?
Where did you read that?

“This study has several limitations. The demographic composition of our cohort (majority White and male) might limit the generalizability of study findings.”

“The risks were evident regardless of age, race, sex and other cardiovascular risk factors, including obesity, hypertension, diabetes, chronic kidney disease and hyperlipidemia”
 
Where did you read that?

“This study has several limitations. The demographic composition of our cohort (majority White and male) might limit the generalizability of study findings.”

“The risks were evident regardless of age, race, sex and other cardiovascular risk factors, including obesity, hypertension, diabetes, chronic kidney disease and hyperlipidemia”
I read the first part and it's what I was referring to (and similar such statements in the introduction). I didn't see the second statement, but does that not at the very least exist in some sort of tension with the first? As you say, they explicitly warn that the sample group is a limitation and might well mean the results are not general. That seems quite a clear statement.
 
I read the first part and it's what I was referring to (and similar such statements in the introduction). I didn't see the second statement, but does that not at the very least exist in some sort of tension with the first? As you say, they explicitly warn that the sample group is a limitation and might well mean the results are not general. That seems quite a clear statement.
I still see no age related statements in the Abstract or early parts of the study 🤷‍♂️

The study was conducted using Veteran records - I’ve had a quick look at the records on the VA website and it gives a breakdown in 5-year age groups by State, from under 20 to 85+ and there’s big numbers in each age range.

The clear statement I’d say you should focus on: ““The risks were evident regardless of age…”
 
The clear statement I’d say you should focus on: ““The risks were evident regardless of age…”

If anyone cares to check the spoiler in my post on this, there is a biological explanation why this is, with journal citations.
Because of the experimental nature of the treatment, I cannot reccomend senolytic treatment to the public, but I am doing it for myself, and my consenting/surviving family members.

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If anybody is interested in modifying their diet to minimise cardiovascular risks, checking with their own doctor is best. Because the ageing component is central to the pathology, the logical countermeasure is a longevity based strategy. Most effective diets would incorporate elements of this. And we should retrospectively see them work vs Covid, which they do.
 
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See, this has been an opinion widely held for as long as vaccination has existed. However, successful mass vaccination programs increased the survival rate of antivaxxers to where their replacement rate vastly outstripped their mortality rate, unfortunately. The same is happening with successful mitigation measures against covid spread worldwide. ou cannot simply count on antivaxxers to die off faster than they spread their ideas, and their continuing presence persists in harming others.
Well, I keep saying nurses should be attending anti-vax rallies with virus. If they're going to conveniently gather....
 
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This was referenced in Mayo Clinic's Valentine's Day podcast, with Prof. Poland, (one of the experts sitting on the panel that reccomended third dose data be assessed before granting Pfizer clearance for 5 yr old children vaccinations.)

I'm a little behind the times. We had an extended power failure islandwide, with disrupted water and internet supply. UK.gov has this

Variant is clearly listed as "Delta x Omicron Recombinant (UK)". Considering the January dismissal of this as a lab error, we must assume that this one must have been thoroughly checked?
 
Newer info emerging:

According to this, there are case clusters involving 2 variants of Deltacron in both the UK and Australia. Despite the headline, there is no actual evidence of vaccine evasion.

I can't find anything out of Australia except this:

No actual clinical case cluster. All cases were from different hospitals in Queensland.
 
Variant is clearly listed as "Delta x Omicron Recombinant (UK)". Considering the January dismissal of this as a lab error, we must assume that this one must have been thoroughly checked?
It's also specifically listed under "signals" rather than under "variants" as something we have preliminary suggestions of the presence of, often through indirect means, (such as testing ruling it out as being anything we have existing knowledge of), but have not necessarily verified all the facts on.
 
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I still see no age related statements in the Abstract or early parts of the study 🤷‍♂️

The study was conducted using Veteran records - I’ve had a quick look at the records on the VA website and it gives a breakdown in 5-year age groups by State, from under 20 to 85+ and there’s big numbers in each age range.

The clear statement I’d say you should focus on: ““The risks were evident regardless of age…”
It was Robin's original post on the paper that stated the study group was mostly old, white and male. The tables in the paper detailing the cohorts were behind a paywall so I didn't see them, but you're right it does only say "white and male" later on, not "old". So I have no idea where that came from or if it's true, I was just taking it at face value.

The section that says "the risks were evident regardless of age" is talking about the risk of pre-existing cardiovascular being exacerbated as far as I can tell. The next sentence says those risks are also present in people who didn't have such conditions, or weren't diagnosed, at the time of Covid infection, but were later diagnosed. It doesn't state that Covid was the cause though.

But yes, forget the age thing as I don't know what the source for that statement was.
 
🇹🇹The end of a little story locally:

THE father of activist, Jean Paul Cooper, 29 who was shot and killed by the police at his St Ann’s home on Saturday said he could not comment on how his son died as he was not there but was very proud of him and his stance against, “mandatory vaccines.”

This was the lone nutcase who tried to set fires to newspaper offices, went round the capital graffitti spraying about the "Plandemic" and got himself locked up when the judge refused to entertain an insanity defense. He was out on bail, when he charged the police with a machete, achieving Suicide-By-Cop.

How did he wind up exhibiting this senile credulosity at age 29? There is a clue in the article:
...besides activism he was also proud of his son who represented Trinidad and Tobago internationally in the field of boxing.

Repeated head trauma->vmPFC lesion->false tag failure & derepressed amygdala-> delusions->extremism->death

Neither the courts, the police nor his father know (nor care) about his travails. One side paints him as a villian. The other as a hero. That serves the needs of the sides.
He was neither, just a young man with a brain lesion, undiagnosed. Nobody serves his side.

It is unlikely that the overburdened pathology unit will even bother to open the skull. As a world society, we are failing our most vulnerable members catastrophically in every country, and it is prolonging the pandemic, causing violence, and contributing to ruinous economic consequences.

It doesn't have to be like this.
 
Interesting Radio 4 podcast about an anti-vaxxer/covid denier conspiracy theorist who subsequently died of covid. Charts how he fell into the conspiracies via online groups.

On the BBC


Player FM link for outside the UK :

 
I keep hoping that this will end, but it just grinds along. BA2 seems to be reinfecting the same people after 6 months, suggesting waning immune responses.

China has the post Olympic outbreak everyone knew was coming. It's rampaging in South Korea, bad in New Zealand, Australia and rising again in Europe. There's bad indicators in wastewater RNA surveillance in USA.

Pfizer wants to sell a 4th dose.
Humanity would like to get back to normal now.
The virus has its own plans. We do not know what they are.

Our family's stockpiles of purchased pandemic supplies from 2019 are all used out. Even the sacks of oats, the least used thing I bought. The most used thing? Strawberry Jam. Finished faster than hand soap.. Never had to use the oxygen generator, or the IV gear or any monitors. Thank god.

Don't forsee any dropoff in our remaining precautions. Avoiding enclosed contacts as much as possible. Local case counts are falling. Waiting to see if another shoe drops.
 
BBC ran this interesting piece

Use of mRNA vaccine as a theraputic to treat a long standing infection in an immunocompromised man. In most people, overactivating their immune systems that way wouldn't be wise.
But this is something to look at in those specific situations, not in severely ill ICU cases with normal systems or in regular people who are recovering naturally at home. The guy recovered very nicely in the story.

Normal immune systems (with vaccination prior) win vs coronavirus almost everytime without any help.
 
The number of VAERS reports of heart inflammation among kids post-jab since the COVID shot rollout began was 1,261.
The number of VAERS reports of heart inflammation among kids following ALL OTHER vaccines administered in the past 30 years is just 172.
This is a 17,495% increase in heart problems among children following the COVID-19 jabs, according to VAERS data.
 
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