The Quest To Find Raxxla

Rochester

Rochester
Jorki Rasalas said:
I think FD statements are accurate and trustworthy, but also they have a sense of humour, they want the search for Raxxla to be difficult, and their words can (and often are wrt Raxxla) highly ambiguous.

I suspect the “big payoff” for any discoverer of Raxxla is an invitation to visit FD HQ at Cambridge and see the new developments in progress (after signing an NDA). I suspect some have already done so.

So, I think it’s in-game, it’s in the Milky Way, there are clues, but it’s very hard to find. The one thing you didnt mention is the reputed statement by MB that a pilot has visited the system it’s in, honked but didnt find Raxxla. Although there is no evidence to back up this rumour I have no reason to doubt the veracity of the source. So the implication is that Raxxla exists but is either very difficult to detect or it is hidden in plain sight as an everyday object that people just ignore and dont explore.....

So either you need to be very close to Raxxla to honk and detect it, or it’s “dark” and you need to detect it visually (& this may be the real reason for the codex phrase about a dark station, as a hint to the way Raxxla is implemented in-game), or it’s disguised as an everyday object such as an asteroid (the logo may hint at this) or a space station or an npc or an installation (all of which have tunnels which might fit the omphalos hint in the codex).

IMHO these possibilities are far more likely than FD implementing it in a permit-locked system with no way to find the permit.
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Oh I concur 100%; I too believe the same thing.

I am however trained in RL to think a certain way, so I will always consider all possibilities, even those not necessarily conducive or attractive, simply to sense check my own assumptions.

I would like to include that 1 quote, and have to a degree, but it’s veracity is just off the scale by a degree, it needs at least a secondary confirmation to make it more reliable and push my assessment up to ‘likely / probable’ which equates to something like 65-70% probability of being obtainable, which pushes it from a ‘maybe’ to a ‘yes it is’ which is a very high score.

Of course it still doesn’t tell us any more about where to look. But after several years, having confirmation it’s definitely accessible would be encouraging, if not for us old-spacers, then for those who come after us.

Most of my ramblings recently have been for the sake of encouraging critical thinking and starting a good diatribe in this thread; as the conversations / ideas / discussions here are always refreshing.
 
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Rochester said:
Aww I remember LAWD26 popping up on Galnet all those years ago… it was ‘one of those systems’ which fell on my to-do list, before I became jaded and began to ignore Galnet over the balance of ‘fluff’.

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Jaded is the experienced Raxxla Questor’s normal state of being!
Brandy helps, as do chocolate biscuits!

The only thing that is outstanding in my mind is MB’s statement that they considered another book about Raxxla, to follow on from Holdstock’s The Dark Wheel, but thought it would be better played out as a storyline in-game. That is hugely significant, it implies Raxxla exists, can be found, there are clues to its location. However where is that storyline? Ive followed the “Princess” hypothesis out to Colonia, Ive looked in Shinrarta (Holdstock’s “you have to be Elite”), I’ve flown thousands of light years tracking down possibilities from the Alleged Toast...I can’t see any other hints of a “storyline” in-game since the original TDW missions from Jameson were removed.
 

Adel

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Jorki Rasalas said:
Jaded is the experienced Raxxla Questor’s normal state of being!
Brandy helps, as do chocolate biscuits!

The only thing that is outstanding in my mind is MB’s statement that they considered another book about Raxxla, to follow on from Holdstock’s The Dark Wheel, but thought it would be better played out as a storyline in-game. That is hugely significant, it implies Raxxla exists, can be found, there are clues to its location. However where is that storyline? Ive followed the “Princess” hypothesis out to Colonia, Ive looked in Shinrarta (Holdstock’s “you have to be Elite”), I’ve flown thousands of light years tracking down possibilities from the Alleged Toast...I can’t see any other hints of a “storyline” in-game since the original TDW missions from Jameson were removed.
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Maybe a condition to unlock something specific is to carry both trinkets of hidden fortune and either guardian relic or SAP8 core container (which is a guardian relic fragments).
I never done TDW missions but i saw what they needed us to find. Clue?
 

Peet von Dachstein

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Ok so hi guys first of all. I was going through quite a lot of threads regarding the literaly only thing that can be considered official in connection to Raxxla which is this logo.
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Some useful info some of you might be able to use: The emblem in the center which consists of the dot and the circle around it actually means the sun.
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Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Peet von Dachstein said:
Ok so hi guys first of all. I was going through quite a lot of threads regarding the literaly only thing that can be considered official in connection to Raxxla which is this logo. View attachment 292038
Some useful info some of you might be able to use: The emblem in the center which consists of the dot and the circle around it actually means the sun.
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The three arcs are typical of those displayed at the entrance to asteroid bases.
 

CMDR Davanix

CMDR Davanix
Also be noteful the 8th moon of an unnamed gas giant may not be totally truthful remember rumor's are spread like Chinese whispers in witchspace, It could be the 8th asteroid belt of an unknown brown dwarf ;)
 

GuepardZoulou

GuepardZoulou
Hello Dear Cmdrs.

I seek to demystify like you the quest for Raxxla. I would like to report the facts that I was able to identify as well as some associations of ideas. You will see that the approach is quite different from what I have read here. I had no desire to rush headlong to analyze many systems (too lazy for that) without even knowing what I was looking for. So I wanted not to search by brute force, but rather to reconstruct the myth of Raxxla, where it comes from.

And this quest is more of an archaeological investigation quest than a fierce exploration of space.

Attention Cmdr, these ideas give a general plan until you find Raxxla. Very few things are missing, but they are crucial things.. And uses all the paragraphs of the codex.

If you don't want to know and find out for yourself, look no further.

Below are my notes, translated from French by Google. => Keep an open mind :)

[1] The nature of Raxxla is unknown. (Codex)
[2] The location of Raxxla is unknown. (Codex)
[3] What's Raxxla contains is unknown. (Codex)
[4] The legend of Raxxla has been circulating for a long time. <= (Codex) Referenced in the diary of Art Tornqvist as a place to discover or at least was in 2296.
[5] A strange and obscure toast by Dark Wheel (Codex)
[6] Raxxla is the lust of Dark Wheel, Explorers and Conspiracy theorists of all stripes. (Codex)
[7] Raxxla is a closely guarded secret. (Codex)
[5+6] => [8] The Dark Wheel is involved.
[1+2+3] => [9] There is a clue in the game that leads to Raxxla.
[1+2+3+4+9] => [10'] Someone (NPC) has discovered a clue about the existence of Raxxla that he does not know how to exploit.
[1+2+3+4+7+9] => [10''] Someone has discovered a clue about the existence of Raxxla and kept the secret.
[10'] != [10''] => No matter. [10] Someone has discovered a clue about the existence of Raxxla. We will be fixed by discovering Raxxla.
[8+9+10] => [11] The Dark Whell have discover the clue.
[4+9+11] => [12] This clue is the origin of the legend of Raxxla.
[4+9] => [13] Something very old in the game references/indicates where to find Raxxla.
[2+7] => [14] No NPC will help you. No beacon. No faction. (Fortunately, there is another way.)
[2+9] => [16] Raxxla could be very far from the human bubble.
[2+4+9] => [17] The clue is probably within reasonable range in the human bubble. (And it is. See below.)

What we can conclude at the end of this first part: Raxxla is unknown, but there is a clue close to the human bubble which was discovered by Dark Wheel. This discovery is the origin of the legend.

[18] The Omphalos Rift Exists <= Hidden Rumored or Referenced (Real or Not) from "Princess Astrophel and the Star Spiral" (Codex)
[19] The Omphalos Rift is not on Raxxla. <= (Codex) Reads carefully the codex : the myth mentions The Omphalos Rift without saying that the Rift is on Raxxla. The myth just mentions this artifact.
[20] The Omphalos Rift is an "alien [...] tunnel". (Codex)
[21] Thargoids sites are cartographic systems in alien tunnels and the only alien tunnels known. (Game)
[20+21] => [22] The Omphalos Rift is a Thargoid site.
[4+22] => [23] The first contact between thargoid and humanity is very old.
[9+18+19+21+22] => [24] The Omphalos Rift contains a clue leading to Raxxla.
[25] The Stone of the Omphalos is at Delphi (in the IRL mythology)
[26] The Omphalos stone is swallowed by Chronos (in the IRL mythology)
[22+26] => [27] The Rift is not in the Chronos system (no Thargoid site).
[28] the Delphi system is the only named system containing a Thargoid site. (Cannon)
[22+25+28] => [29] The Omphalos Rift is the Targoid site on Delphi 5A.

Fascinating, isn't it? The clue discovered by Dark Wheel is on Delphi 5A.

Reminder [24] The Omphalos Rift contains a clue leading to Raxxla.
[30] "Astrophel" (Codex) = star lover => ourselves! Ok, we are not all "princesses".
[31] There is an established connection between "Astrophel and The Star Spiral" and the Omphalos Rift. (Codex)
[31'] It's a children's story in game. (and luckily it doesn't refer to a poem in English. The French people will appreciate.)
[32] The resolution of a Thargoid site generates a magnificent spiral of stars. (Game)
[30+31+32] => [33] you must resolve a Thargoid site.
[34] The nominal resolution of a Thargoid site lead to another Thargoid site, but nothing else! (Game, Cannon)
[24+33+34] => [35] There is an unknown interaction revealing a crucial clue pointing the way to Raxxla.
[36] Dark Wheel's Toast sounds like a ritual (Personal opinion? Sure. But let's see where this leads...)
[5+7+24+35+36] => [37] Dark Wheel's Toast mentions the ingredients of the ritual. => Commodities.
[37] => [37'] It can not be locations. If so, might as well go straight to the end of the Toast.
[38] The jewel that shines on the forehead of the mother of all galaxies (Codex)
[39] The Whisperer in the Reaches of Hyperspace, the Siren of Nothingness (Codex)
[40] The mourning of a parent, the sadness of a lover (Codex)
[41] the desire of our wandering hearts (Codex)
[42] paragraph on fernweh (Codex)
From here it gets tougher.
[37+38] => [43] Mother of Galaxies = Nothing or Void, Jewels = Void Opal
[43] => [43'] Leave Cassiopeia alone! She is a queen of Ethiopia. Not the mother of ALL galaxies!
[37+39] => [44] Sensor or a Probe or a Link or Core or Meta Alloy... A thargoid Stuff (?).
[44] => [44'] the prices of thargoid artifacts on FC will become cosmic.
[37+40] => [45] Sadness => tears = water. Death = memorial. => Water of Shintara, the rare at Jameson Memorial.
[45] => [45'] You have to be Elite, or have the help of a pilot who is Elite or rob an Elite pilot. Many options here :)
[37+41+42] => [46] wanderer, fernweh, desire elsewhere => Relic of Soontill (couldn't find better, but I didn't dig much) Guardian artefact ?
[33+43+44+45+46] => [47] The Thagoid device delivers a specific audio message.
[48] The detail of the interaction is not yet found. If Commodities of the Toast are keys, where are the locks ? Hold in SRV ? or elsewhere ? did i miss something in the codex ? How did the princess? Or Dark Wheel ?
[48'] I can not discover this new interaction. I haven't discovered those of the guardian obelisks, nor those of the guardian beacons. It's not my thing. Some players are good at it. Need help.
[48''] The difficulty here is to put the right keys (commodities) in the right locks. Until everything is perfectly identified, we will not know if we are a little good, quite good, very good. It must be perfect. It's damn difficult.
[48'''] What to do : crack the thargoid device and make it talk of Raxxla, identify the Ritual of the Rift. the rest is easy. And fun.

[48] A Thargoid device normaly delivers a message containing a sound that can be followed with a Thargoid Link (Game)
[24+48] => [38''] My intuition tells me that it says "rrRRrraAAxXllaaaA" like Thargoid.
[47+48] => [49] A sound, a Thargoid link, Follow the way! The link acts as a compass to your precious. I do not detail the procedure, but it is known.
I'm not pretending what Raxxla is, we'll find out eventually. But be careful though:
[2+7] => [49] If Raxxla was discovered by a NPC, it is a very powerful organization that has kept the secret. Is it a threat ?
[3+49] => [50] This power comes from something on or inside Raxxla.
[50] => [51] All factions will fight over possession of Raxxla.

I can't get the "normal" message from Delphi's Thargoid site (place the Thargoid items, it turns on the device, we scan and it's done). I did this once a long time ago, I deleted the messages. And when I redo the puzzle precisely to recover them, I have no message. Niet. Nada. Que dalle. I've done that plenty of times (with logout/login/exit/enter system). And that makes me think that there may be an issue. Or else I'm not good at it.

I tried to open a very detailed ticket, but that too bugged. See yourself:

The Thargoid device does not deliver messages after being activated

I have a video that shows what is happening. Or rather what is not happening. I don't know if I can post it here, it's on my Xbox profile.

This issue has me wondering: if Delphi 5A's thargoid device is the Omphalos Rift and it gives a crucial clue to finding Raxxla, will it give it to me? The device is already not talking to me.


Pour Raxxla !
 

Adel

A
GuepardZoulou said:
Hello Dear Cmdrs.

I seek to demystify like you the quest for Raxxla. I would like to report the facts that I was able to identify as well as some associations of ideas. You will see that the approach is quite different from what I have read here. I had no desire to rush headlong to analyze many systems (too lazy for that) without even knowing what I was looking for. So I wanted not to search by brute force, but rather to reconstruct the myth of Raxxla, where it comes from.

And this quest is more of an archaeological investigation quest than a fierce exploration of space.

Attention Cmdr, these ideas give a general plan until you find Raxxla. Very few things are missing, but they are crucial things.. And uses all the paragraphs of the codex.

If you don't want to know and find out for yourself, look no further.

Below are my notes, translated from French by Google. => Keep an open mind :)

[1] The nature of Raxxla is unknown. (Codex)
[2] The location of Raxxla is unknown. (Codex)
[3] What's Raxxla contains is unknown. (Codex)
[4] The legend of Raxxla has been circulating for a long time. <= (Codex) Referenced in the diary of Art Tornqvist as a place to discover or at least was in 2296.
[5] A strange and obscure toast by Dark Wheel (Codex)
[6] Raxxla is the lust of Dark Wheel, Explorers and Conspiracy theorists of all stripes. (Codex)
[7] Raxxla is a closely guarded secret. (Codex)
[5+6] => [8] The Dark Wheel is involved.
[1+2+3] => [9] There is a clue in the game that leads to Raxxla.
[1+2+3+4+9] => [10'] Someone (NPC) has discovered a clue about the existence of Raxxla that he does not know how to exploit.
[1+2+3+4+7+9] => [10''] Someone has discovered a clue about the existence of Raxxla and kept the secret.
[10'] != [10''] => No matter. [10] Someone has discovered a clue about the existence of Raxxla. We will be fixed by discovering Raxxla.
[8+9+10] => [11] The Dark Whell have discover the clue.
[4+9+11] => [12] This clue is the origin of the legend of Raxxla.
[4+9] => [13] Something very old in the game references/indicates where to find Raxxla.
[2+7] => [14] No NPC will help you. No beacon. No faction. (Fortunately, there is another way.)
[2+9] => [16] Raxxla could be very far from the human bubble.
[2+4+9] => [17] The clue is probably within reasonable range in the human bubble. (And it is. See below.)

What we can conclude at the end of this first part: Raxxla is unknown, but there is a clue close to the human bubble which was discovered by Dark Wheel. This discovery is the origin of the legend.

[18] The Omphalos Rift Exists <= Hidden Rumored or Referenced (Real or Not) from "Princess Astrophel and the Star Spiral" (Codex)
[19] The Omphalos Rift is not on Raxxla. <= (Codex) Reads carefully the codex : the myth mentions The Omphalos Rift without saying that the Rift is on Raxxla. The myth just mentions this artifact.
[20] The Omphalos Rift is an "alien [...] tunnel". (Codex)
[21] Thargoids sites are cartographic systems in alien tunnels and the only alien tunnels known. (Game)
[20+21] => [22] The Omphalos Rift is a Thargoid site.
[4+22] => [23] The first contact between thargoid and humanity is very old.
[9+18+19+21+22] => [24] The Omphalos Rift contains a clue leading to Raxxla.
[25] The Stone of the Omphalos is at Delphi (in the IRL mythology)
[26] The Omphalos stone is swallowed by Chronos (in the IRL mythology)
[22+26] => [27] The Rift is not in the Chronos system (no Thargoid site).
[28] the Delphi system is the only named system containing a Thargoid site. (Cannon)
[22+25+28] => [29] The Omphalos Rift is the Targoid site on Delphi 5A.

Fascinating, isn't it? The clue discovered by Dark Wheel is on Delphi 5A.

Reminder [24] The Omphalos Rift contains a clue leading to Raxxla.
[30] "Astrophel" (Codex) = star lover => ourselves! Ok, we are not all "princesses".
[31] There is an established connection between "Astrophel and The Star Spiral" and the Omphalos Rift. (Codex)
[31'] It's a children's story in game. (and luckily it doesn't refer to a poem in English. The French people will appreciate.)
[32] The resolution of a Thargoid site generates a magnificent spiral of stars. (Game)
[30+31+32] => [33] you must resolve a Thargoid site.
[34] The nominal resolution of a Thargoid site lead to another Thargoid site, but nothing else! (Game, Cannon)
[24+33+34] => [35] There is an unknown interaction revealing a crucial clue pointing the way to Raxxla.
[36] Dark Wheel's Toast sounds like a ritual (Personal opinion? Sure. But let's see where this leads...)
[5+7+24+35+36] => [37] Dark Wheel's Toast mentions the ingredients of the ritual. => Commodities.
[37] => [37'] It can not be locations. If so, might as well go straight to the end of the Toast.
[38] The jewel that shines on the forehead of the mother of all galaxies (Codex)
[39] The Whisperer in the Reaches of Hyperspace, the Siren of Nothingness (Codex)
[40] The mourning of a parent, the sadness of a lover (Codex)
[41] the desire of our wandering hearts (Codex)
[42] paragraph on fernweh (Codex)
From here it gets tougher.
[37+38] => [43] Mother of Galaxies = Nothing or Void, Jewels = Void Opal
[43] => [43'] Leave Cassiopeia alone! She is a queen of Ethiopia. Not the mother of ALL galaxies!
[37+39] => [44] Sensor or a Probe or a Link or Core or Meta Alloy... A thargoid Stuff (?).
[44] => [44'] the prices of thargoid artifacts on FC will become cosmic.
[37+40] => [45] Sadness => tears = water. Death = memorial. => Water of Shintara, the rare at Jameson Memorial.
[45] => [45'] You have to be Elite, or have the help of a pilot who is Elite or rob an Elite pilot. Many options here :)
[37+41+42] => [46] wanderer, fernweh, desire elsewhere => Relic of Soontill (couldn't find better, but I didn't dig much) Guardian artefact ?
[33+43+44+45+46] => [47] The Thagoid device delivers a specific audio message.
[48] The detail of the interaction is not yet found. If Commodities of the Toast are keys, where are the locks ? Hold in SRV ? or elsewhere ? did i miss something in the codex ? How did the princess? Or Dark Wheel ?
[48'] I can not discover this new interaction. I haven't discovered those of the guardian obelisks, nor those of the guardian beacons. It's not my thing. Some players are good at it. Need help.
[48''] The difficulty here is to put the right keys (commodities) in the right locks. Until everything is perfectly identified, we will not know if we are a little good, quite good, very good. It must be perfect. It's damn difficult.
[48'''] What to do : crack the thargoid device and make it talk of Raxxla, identify the Ritual of the Rift. the rest is easy. And fun.

[48] A Thargoid device normaly delivers a message containing a sound that can be followed with a Thargoid Link (Game)
[24+48] => [38''] My intuition tells me that it says "rrRRrraAAxXllaaaA" like Thargoid.
[47+48] => [49] A sound, a Thargoid link, Follow the way! The link acts as a compass to your precious. I do not detail the procedure, but it is known.
I'm not pretending what Raxxla is, we'll find out eventually. But be careful though:
[2+7] => [49] If Raxxla was discovered by a NPC, it is a very powerful organization that has kept the secret. Is it a threat ?
[3+49] => [50] This power comes from something on or inside Raxxla.
[50] => [51] All factions will fight over possession of Raxxla.

I can't get the "normal" message from Delphi's Thargoid site (place the Thargoid items, it turns on the device, we scan and it's done). I did this once a long time ago, I deleted the messages. And when I redo the puzzle precisely to recover them, I have no message. Niet. Nada. Que dalle. I've done that plenty of times (with logout/login/exit/enter system). And that makes me think that there may be an issue. Or else I'm not good at it.

I tried to open a very detailed ticket, but that too bugged. See yourself:

The Thargoid device does not deliver messages after being activated

I have a video that shows what is happening. Or rather what is not happening. I don't know if I can post it here, it's on my Xbox profile.

This issue has me wondering: if Delphi 5A's thargoid device is the Omphalos Rift and it gives a crucial clue to finding Raxxla, will it give it to me? The device is already not talking to me.


Pour Raxxla !
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"[2+4+9] => [17] The clue is probably within reasonable range in the human bubble."

There is hypothesis you have to consider: The clue is probably within resonable range in the human bubble at specific time.
Some people, me including, think that Raxxla is not static: it's moving through different systems and was very close to Sol around 2296.
Since then, we don't know how many time do we have to wait for Raxxla to comes back again near Sol.
Until then, Raxxla is moving and could be found in any system in the game (400 billions systems, IF it stays in milky way :LOL: ).
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Merlin StWahgwaan said:
Though I will say, I like that I got a conversation going again, last few weeks been kinda quite with just small bursts of light comments lol....

But if someone can give me evidence that Polaris is hiding somthing to do with DW/Raxxla, im more than willing to listen, but so far there isn't ANY that I'm aware of point us to Polairs for this story arch...

There's evidence of Polaris having Thargoid history/connections, but not DW/raxxla... (and yes I get it, DW/raxxla and thargoids could also be connected, blah blah blah, show me some hard proof of that, not just conjecture)
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I doubt that Polaris has any connection to Raxxla. Polaris is most likely just part of the Thargoid story.

That being said, there are plenty of hints that fit Polaris:

  • Polaris is an Ophalos point.
  • Polaris is the centre of the spiralling stars of the night sky, in the northern hemisphere of earth.
  • Polaris did have a portal in FFE, that lead to the Thargoid universe (Miackce, possibly the same as COL 70 sector fy-n c21-3).

This is all nice. It would however feel a bit silly to me to find out I visited Raxxla in FFE, without knowing it. 🤷‍♂️
 

GuepardZoulou

GuepardZoulou
Adel said:
"[2+4+9] => [17] The clue is probably within reasonable range in the human bubble."

There is hypothesis you have to consider: The clue is probably within resonable range in the human bubble at specific time.
Some people, me including, think that Raxxla is not static: it's moving through different systems and was very close to Sol around 2296.
Since then, we don't know how many time do we have to wait for Raxxla to comes back again near Sol.
Until then, Raxxla is moving and could be found in any system in the game (400 billions systems, IF it stays in milky way :LOL: ).
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This association of ideas "[2+4+9] => [17]" is more of a side commentary to ensure the consistency of the whole story. The clue is contained at Delphi 5A (see [29]), which seems at a reasonable distance from the human bubble.

Regarding the mobility of Raxxla: There is no reason to claim this. I'm only using game information, I don't claim anything. However, "[1] The nature of Raxxla is unknown. (Codex)" implies that it may be mobile. Or not. In both cases, the Rift Ritual must make it possible to find it at the moment where it is currently. If the rift points to an old Raxxla location, then there must be a clue at that location to find the new one.

edit : correction of a translation error.
 
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GuepardZoulou

GuepardZoulou
If the Dark Wheel toast were to refer to commodities (I don't want you to believe it, but just imagine 2 minutes), what could it be? My knowledge of the commodities is very limited, I would appreciate a little help.
  • For the jewels that shine on the forehead of the mother of all galaxies!
    • Mother of all galaxies = nothingness, void
    • void jewels = Void Opal [Mining]
  • For the one who whispers in the confines of hyperspace, the siren of nothingness!
    • Thargoid whispers in the confines of hyperspace. Thargoid heart? [Combat]
  • The mourning of a parent, the sadness of a lover,
    • Sadness = tears = water.
    • Mourning = death = memorial
    • Shintara water, Rare at Jameson Memorial [Trading]
  • The desire of our wandering hearts (+fernweh)
    • Travel, exploration, desire elsewhere, discovery, treasure hunt. An item representative of Dark Wheel's vocation. Or linked to The Dark Wheel.
    • [Exploration thing?]
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
Not convinced by your hypothesis re Alleged Toast= commodities,
but intrigued by the hypothesis that "Astrophel and the Spiralling Stars" implies Thargoids (they're all female & young queen insects might be princesses) and the Thargoid Base machine display does show spiralling stars. Think someone else has mooted this hypothesis before but can't remember who or if anyone investigated.
It would mean that this is MB's "We did look at a story involving Raxxla, but felt that was a story that should be played out in game rather than as a novel”- Raxxla may be intimately connected (stop sniggering at the back there!) with the Thargoid/Guardian storyline. We know that Raxxla is part of the Alien Background lore document.

Has anyone checked to see if all these machine displays are identical??
 

SpaceGoblin

SpaceGoblin
GuepardZoulou said:
If the Dark Wheel toast were to refer to commodities (I don't want you to believe it, but just imagine 2 minutes), what could it be? My knowledge of the commodities is very limited, I would appreciate a little help.
  • For the jewels that shine on the forehead of the mother of all galaxies!
    • Mother of all galaxies = nothingness, void
    • void jewels = Void Opal [Mining]
  • For the one who whispers in the confines of hyperspace, the siren of nothingness!
    • Thargoid whispers in the confines of hyperspace. Thargoid heart? [Combat]
  • The mourning of a parent, the sadness of a lover,
    • Sadness = tears = water.
    • Mourning = death = memorial
    • Shintara water, Rare at Jameson Memorial [Trading]
  • The desire of our wandering hearts (+fernweh)
    • Travel, exploration, desire elsewhere, discovery, treasure hunt. An item representative of Dark Wheel's vocation. Or linked to The Dark Wheel.
    • [Exploration thing?]
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I've been out of Elite for a while, been back a week, and looking for mysteries, I re-read the Raxxla Toast to see if I could get back into the search for mysteries to solve in ED.

I always took 'The Toast' to be a a 'meta-statement' about the act of playing a video game:

"the parents grief, the lovers woe", "Omphalos Rift", aside its historical/mythological connections sounds like a riff on 'Occulus Rift', and all that stuff about being a portal to other realities/dimensions and so on.

The (real) Omphalos Stone was 'the Navel of the World' and the Raxxla symbol looks like the structures you can see at the far end of the docking bay when entering a station. The Stations navel, perhaps?

What if people have said Raxxla is 'in' the game, because Raxxla IS the game?

I know, I know, it's probably been said a million times before, I just had to get it out of my system and I'm not reading 1200 pages of replies to find that out ;D

When thinking in less Meta-terms about it though, I always come back to the Omphalos (stone), Delphi, and the Thargoids. Maybe I'll start exploring that again.
 

CMDR Davanix

CMDR Davanix
Han_Zen said:
I doubt that Polaris has any connection to Raxxla. Polaris is most likely just part of the Thargoid story.

That being said, there are plenty of hints that fit Polaris:

  • Polaris is an Ophalos point.
  • Polaris is the centre of the spiralling stars of the night sky, in the northern hemisphere of earth.
  • Polaris did have a portal in FFE, that lead to the Thargoid universe (Miackce, possibly the same as COL 70 sector fy-n c21-3).

This is all nice. It would however feel a bit silly to me to find out I visited Raxxla in FFE, without knowing it. 🤷‍♂️
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A bit silly yes but then would that also make the existence of Raxxla in the older game truth and it was in the game after all we just didnt get to explore it :unsure: o_O
 

Eckee

Eckee
Merlin StWahgwaan said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/ayhy85
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/ayhy85/confirmation_by_drew_wagar_that_raxxla_is_indeed/


Is a link to Drew saying in no uncertain terms, Raxxla is IN GAME and fdev knows where it is.
Point blank.

Sure this could mean just a reference to the codex entry, but look at Drews face and listen to his tone. He whole-heartedly believes it exists ingame in some accessible format.

i really dont think hed have been allowed to walk away from that conversation believing that if it wasnt true. He was a close friend and I doubt they'd lied flat out to him.


Anyways, all conjecture, let's move on with our assumptions again XD in Polaris not in Polaris, until someone gets into Polaris, next topic please 😇
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DW is in no position to confirm Raxxla's existance in the game.


"The system Raxxla is in was visited" claim thingy: https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SnappyScaryMousePupper

Other than those anonymous "I heard that someone heard that someone said that someone heard" chains.
 

Merlin StWahgwaan

Merlin StWahgwaan
Eckee said:
DW is in no position to confirm Raxxla's existance in the game.


"The system Raxxla is in was visited" claim thingy: https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SnappyScaryMousePupper

Other than those anonymous "I heard that someone heard that someone said that someone heard" chains.
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Sure, technically he's not a developer, but he was a main story writer, hugely dedicated player, and also controlled the NPC Salome (in case you didnt know.... Drews stories directly effected Salome and visa versa, he has said so directly himself, right upto and including her death).....

So it's a fair assumption that if he was told directly by MB/DB, or anyone at fdev, that it is in game, told to his face, than YES, he is in a position to confirm that to us!

Also, there have been several times where MB/DB (I can honestly never remember which) have directly said it THEMSELVES in interviews, that Raxxla is IN GAME, so again, YES, Drew is in a position to confirm that to the best of his knowledge, yes it is in fact in game.

If you believe he's not, then that's your choice, but the facts are the facts in this case and can't be twisted, they are what they are.
Google the MB/DB interviews and see for yourself.

Anyways.... Drew is a heck of a lot more trustworthy than they player who claims to have overheard the system was visited at Lave Con. That's someone claiming to over hear someone else's convo, thats second hand information at best. Drew had direct conversation and then directly told us, first hand information, much more trustworthy.

Addon: I don't mean to call anyone else's statements untrue either, I'm just saying in order or trustworthiness of comments, it goes Fdev, MB/DB directly, Drew Wagar, everyone else
 
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Eckee

Eckee
Merlin StWahgwaan said:
Sure, technically he's not a developer, but he was a main story writer, hugely dedicated player, and also controlled the NPC Salome (in case you didnt know.... Drews stories directly effected Salome and visa versa, he has said so directly himself, right upto and including her death).....

So it's a fair assumption that if he was told directly by MB/DB, or anyone at fdev, that it is in game, told to his face, than YES, he is in a position to confirm that to us!

Also, there have been several times where MB/DB (I can honestly never remember which) have directly said it THEMSELVES in interviews, that Raxxla is IN GAME, so again, YES, Drew is in a position to confirm that to the best of his knowledge, yes it is in fact in game.

If you believe he's not, then that's your choice, but the facts are the facts in this case and can't be twisted, they are what they are.
Google the MB/DB interviews and see for yourself.

Anyways.... Drew is a heck of a lot more trustworthy than they player who claims to have overheard the system was visited at Lave Con. That's someone claiming to over hear someone else's convo, thats second hand information at best. Drew had direct conversation and then directly told us, first hand information, much more trustworthy.
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You wrote a text wall about something you didn't understand. If DW said that he heard MB/DB said Raxxla is in the game, yes, I'd believe him.

He can confirm hearing certain things from people, but he cannot confirm the existence of Raxxla in the game by himself.
He wasn't the main story writer, he was one of the writers of the books. And Salome was an isolated event.
 
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