If you're wondering where Frontier's attention is directed at...

In wanting to make a specific point to one of the participants in this thread, I did a search on David Braben's posts here (I'm looking for something specific), and in doing so I was hit by just how active David used to be on this forum in the early years, only to go silent for four years, then finally returning to offer a few apologies regarding Odyssey.

If communication is key to a relationship, then it does feel like David Braben's relationship with Elite Dangerous is on the rocks. This is especially glaring when I look at Sean Murray's continued excitement about NMS, or Space Engineers lead developer's (forget his name) engagement with that community, same with X4, etc.

Now I have to get back to finding that specific quote I was looking for. It must be tucked away in some earnings report, which seems to be the only thing Mr. Braben is interested in these days (emphasis on "seems").
Hello games is still just making one game no? There was a time when Frontier was pretty much just making ED too. I hear Hello games will be getting a sibling soon. I wonder how that will affect Sean Murray's comms.
 
Here's the thing I find interesting about this game: it really highlights the difference between the "casual -> hard core" spectrum, which is how much attention you're willing to put into a game, and the "casual -> full time job" spectrum, which is about how much time you have available to put into a game. This is a game that can be friendly to the time poor, but not if you choose not give it your attention.

This is a game where most players frequently fly right by high-grade emissions because they have their ship on autopilot so they can better watch Netflix. This is a game where players routinely ignore other sources of data, so they can browse the Web. This is a game where players frequently ignore nearby metallic meteorites on the surface of a world, for the sake of a mobile game. But when they decide they need this stuff, they'll gather it in the most inefficient and unfun manner possible, going far out of their way to "relog" repeatedly at a site known to be "easy" to gather materials or data at.

This is also a game where the vast majority of activities in the game can be done in small, inexpensive, and readily available ships. This is a game where the majority of NPC enemies you'll encounter the game can be defeated without engineering... if you make an effort to develop the skills to defeat them, and don't rely on "this one weird trick" to inflate your Combat rating. And of course, this is a game where G3 engineering can be used to defeat most of the rest.
You know what the game told me? It told me no matter what I do - it is the dice that determines my success. So why wouldn't I watch Netflix or browse the net if I was still playing it?
 
Well the live game was in maintenance mode.. what game were you playing? :) They even turned off galnet for.. the good part of a year?

Sure lets just agree to consider the definitions differently.

At this point, the only things that matter are making the most of what we have, there's no "its coming / will be fixed / something in the future" for elite to defer discussion into.
I guess some people just don't have any clue what maintenance mode actually means. If a game is in maintenance mode you don't spend any resources on it apart from keeping the servers and customer support running. Developing a new expansion is the exact opposite of maintenance mode.
 
Depends on how you look at it i guess. For a single player game due for a dlc expansion, perfect yes. Exactly as expected, completely match to industry standards, nothing to see here, very normal.

For a live service game, mmo, whatever that could be, absolutely woeful.

Actually elite couldn't claim to be an online service game apart from the community management. In terms of game updates its like a single player game that's been released and nurtured.



I didn't mind it :) Hand up here mainly a single player simulator player. The only thing that's ever been challenging here was challenging back then too, having expectations managed by white knights due to silence from frontier.
IIRC in 2019 and 2020 there was 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, and 3.7, along the development of a major DLC. So I am not sure which point you are trying to make.
 
That said, I'd rather (from a purely selfish perspective) Frontier was focused on one game, or at the very least, that they had dedicated teams for each game rather than shuffling their team around to whatever new title is about to be released.
I'd really love it if FD took all that talent that was pushed into animals, their movements, etc in Planet Zoo and Jurassic World and applied that effort to ED so some of our planets would have things that walk calmly towards you with a rather odd grin...
...just before the eat you. o_O
 
I guess some people just don't have any clue what maintenance mode actually means. If a game is in maintenance mode you don't spend any resources on it apart from keeping the servers and customer support running. Developing a new expansion is the exact opposite of maintenance mode.

The only point of difference we could have is relative to other games.

There are plenty of dictionary definitions that elite could match up with. There's a whole industry of online service games that also exist, please take my word for this, with those elite does not match so well. Its probably best to avoid sampling any other non single player games if you want to keep accepting frontiers maintenance as a feature.

The confusion isn't our fault though. Frontier boast and claim, yet treat elite like every other game in their portfolio. If you clear things up, everything makes sense and is okay, personally i prefer to look at elite as a single player game, i have a very meaningful handle on what it practically is. Its how ive been playing the game since owning it anyway.
 
Progress towards what?

When I play it's for the gameplay itself, as I've made all the progress I want to make and then some. Irony is that 99% of my "progress" sits parked in a hangar as I fly a shieldless Cobra into battle, which is way more fun than flying "end game" ships. Now I'll grant you that my Cobra has some modest engineering, but nothing that required me to play Elite as a full-time job. I'll also concede that I never fully appreciated the smaller, less-expensive ships until I got the "end game" ships and realized they actually took more away from my gameplay than they added. Maybe that's a lesson everyone needs to learn for themselves (well, at least the 10% of us who feel this way).

These days the only progress I'm interested in is moving the tier lines at a CG, and even then I'm only interested in CGs that are actually fun to play.



BTW - when I started playing, it was actually a lot harder to make progress than it is today, yet those early weeks are still my favorite memories of this game.
My DBS remains awesome.
 
I guess some people just don't have any clue what maintenance mode actually means. If a game is in maintenance mode you don't spend any resources on it apart from keeping the servers and customer support running. Developing a new expansion is the exact opposite of maintenance mode.
Call it what you will, but a year (or however long it was) without Galnet or community goals was pretty... "empty".. for those of us who care about such things. I think that was the first time I took a long break from the game.

These days long breaks from Elite are normal for me, but it all started that year.
 
Call it what you will, but a year (or however long it was) without Galnet or community goals was pretty... "empty".. for those of us who care about such things. I think that was the first time I took a long break from the game.

These days long breaks from Elite are normal for me, but it all started that year.
7 months actually (February-August) ;)

I am playing the game since 8 years, so it's pretty normal for me to take breaks as well. I often don't play for months, there are lots of other good games out there. It's not surprising that some people get frustrated when they don't do anything else, it's a game and not a wife. So it's kind of difficult to blame Frontier for it...

Anyway, when the discussion started maintenance mode allegedly was 2 years, now we are down to 7 months and during these 7 months FCs and Odyssey were developed, and they prepared the return of Galnet and CGs which happened in September. To me it suddenly sounds a lot less dramatic. 🤷‍♂️
 

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when the discussion started maintenance mode allegedly was 2 years, now we are down to 7 months and during these 7 months FCs and Odyssey were developed, and they prepared the return of Galnet and CGs which happened in September. To me it suddenly sounds a lot less dramatic. 🤷‍♂️
Yeah, but the factual truth of a developer working heads down does not have the same cool ring as “doom” or “maintenance mode”.
 
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First off, I'm just sharing this because judging from the view count of 165 views on Youtube as of posting this, and the fact that the video is unlisted, I don't think this video has caught the eyes of some people wondering where Frontier's attention is directed at with regards to their list of supported games.

As a quick summary of this 4 month old video with regards to Elite Dangerous, there is little mention of Elite Dangerous apart from a small mention of supporting the game.

Here is the video if you're interested.


Looking at Frontier's financial calandar, lets remain optimisic on the future of Elite Dangerous development at least until after 31 May. Afterall, they may have things planned for the new financial year.

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Secondly, the following is my personal opinion. I love Elite Dangerous and used to play it a lot up till Engineers came out, then I stopped for a while because the time investment in grinding and method of collecting materials was too time consuming for me. I recently came back before Odyssey to push my engineer progression after the materials update, which gave players 3 instead of 1 material, and have since invited 4 other friends to join me on Odessey.

We played for about 2 weeks? There were bugs of course but they weren't the main issue. The feedback I got from my friends was similiar in sentiment for myself. They felt that Elite Dangerous required too much time investment to play sustainably. i.e. We all have daily jobs and don't really have hours to dedicate to the mundane relogging grind, searching of Odyssey outposts for materials, long supercruise travel times, yet we still love the game. It just feels like a chore to play and not really friendly to casual players.

I know the game is meant to be "Hard", "Dangerous", whatever you want to call it. Everyone has differing opinions and I respect that. I just wish it was more casual friendly so I could log in for 1-2 hours a day and still feel like I'm making progress.

Thank you for reading the second part if you did.
Since frontier can't be arsed with consoles anymore I can't be arsed with frontier this includes any future console releases from frontier. Rip frontier rip ED
 
Yeah, but the factual truth of a developer working heads down does not have the same cool ring as “doom” or “maintenance mode”.
I guess people genuinely (as a German I had to look up how to spell that!) feel that way. Both Old Duck and Karrde Sun are reasonable people that I absolutely respect for their opinion. In regards to Elite Dangerous I tend to see things from a positive angle, so I think just because they feel differentely it doesn't mean their view is invalid. Maybe they just feel that the game was in maintenance mode although it's factually wrong. ;)
 

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I guess people genuinely (as a German I had to look up how to spell that!) feel that way. Both Old Duck and Karrde Sun are reasonable people that I absolutely respect for their opinion. In regards to Elite Dangerous I tend to see things from a positive angle, so I think just because they feel differentely it doesn't mean their view is invalid. Maybe they just feel that the game was in maintenance mode although it's factually wrong. ;)
Fair enough, I think it is clear the 2019-2021 period was far from “maintenance”. Weather we are in maintenance now or not, well, the jury is still out on that one 😋
 
I guess people genuinely (as a German I had to look up how to spell that!) feel that way. Both Old Duck and Karrde Sun are reasonable people that I absolutely respect for their opinion. In regards to Elite Dangerous I tend to see things from a positive angle, so I think just because they feel differentely it doesn't mean their view is invalid. Maybe they just feel that the game was in maintenance mode although it's factually wrong. ;)
I don't remember ever declaring that Elite Dangerous is in maintenance mode anywhere in this thread, Mr. "Factual".
 
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