Open Letter to All Humanity

Don’t mean to but in, but since I have you on the line, what can you tell me about the progress made in deciphering the guardian written language, and the request made for the translation information ram tah is using?
Their written language? I would say that that still is a mystery besides the decoded Ram Tah codex log #20/28 which states that "their written language involved usage of pairs of characters". As of yet, Ram Tah has yet to respond to the request.
 
Their written language? I would say that that still is a mystery besides the decoded Ram Tah codex log #20/28 which states that "their written language involved usage of pairs of characters". As of yet, Ram Tah has yet to respond to the request.
There is a system of glyphs. They’ve been seen on some obelisks and inside the crystal relics. There is also a diagram or hieroglyphic form that I have images of. And there seems to be a third, a system of different sized triangles. Like a number pattern. Or a coordinate system.
 
There is a system of glyphs. They’ve been seen on some obelisks and inside the crystal relics. There is also a diagram or hieroglyphic form that I have images of. And there seems to be a third, a system of different sized triangles. Like a number pattern. Or a coordinate system.
Correct. But most of that is an area of speculation at this point until Ram Tah releases his methods to the scientific community.
 
Correct. But most of that is an area of speculation at this point until Ram Tah releases his methods to the scientific community.
I have a little theory, but it would require somebody with a lot of time. Like a couple of days.😂
I have a good images of things I have found on the beacons. The beacons are always tied to a structure. I have an idea that somewhere on each beacon the location of the structure is identified somehow. It would take examining several beacons and comparing the few differences you could find if any. But literally getting images Of almost every square inch of the thing.
 
I have a little theory, but it would require somebody with a lot of time. Like a couple of days.😂
I have a good images of things I have found on the beacons. The beacons are always tied to a structure. I have an idea that somewhere on each beacon the location of the structure is identified somehow. It would take examining several beacons and comparing the few differences you could find if any. But literally getting images Of almost every square inch of the thing.
Ur always free to join the scientific community at discord.gg/canonn
 
My publicist is going to kill me for this, but: I don't know how you haven't heard of me. I've been one of the foremost experts on the possibilities of Thargoid peace for upwards of half a decade, and happen to be well versed and experienced in many of the related fields alongside it. I also happen to be one of the coordinators of the only known active pro-Thargoid factional coalition and we meet regularly to discuss galactic events in our spheres of influence.

Ego aside, if you'll forgive my bluntness, I was almost appointed as a member of the Canonn Council many years ago, so I'm intimately aware of how the process works. Don't mention my name or those that remember me will give you angry looks, though.

I'll keep you in mind as we conduct further research, but I don't trust anybody affiliated with Canonn as far as I can throw them anymore.
 
So this explains why Canonn refused to provide myself and CMDR Falcon91 any data when we asked for it. We'd been tracking the change in the Obelisks since at least February of this year independently of Canonn, and suddenly it makes so much sense why they kept their data hidden from us after he had reported the change to them.

Hi Julian. I am the current manager of all the Canonn databases. Our data is available to everyone through the various tools that we manage. You don't even need to ask for it because it is publicly available on google sheets and anyone in the Cannon discord would freely give it away, All data on Guardian can be found on this spreadheet https://canonn.fyi/guardiansheet

I wasn't aware of any request for data from you or anyone else. I do hope that you aren't trying to use this thread to bash Canonn because of some history you have with us.

If there is any data that you think we have that is not publicly available then you can alwways get someone with access to our discord to ask on your behalf,
 
Take it up with CMDR Falcon91, he's the one in charge of the obelisk research we conducted.

Respectfully, I still don't trust any of you and I said as much above, however I have no desire to 'bash' anybody as that entire affair happened over six years ago.
Not wanting to labour the point but you made a false claim about being refused access to data. Our data has always been available. I have supplied said data. I hope that is sufficient to rebuld some trust. Please pass on the data to CMDR Falcon91 and if there is anything else you need feel free to ask.
 
Yeah as Julian said you guys can go do this on your own.

Your research was actually requested by over 5 people who I asked to talk to you guys, people from varying squadrons who said they could get you guys to share data.

Within the first days of this, I had someone reach out to you guys and your reply and I quote "Everything looks normal" so that was a lie then, so thanks for deceiving not only me, but members of SINC, IGAU, McCoy's Spaceways, and R2C2 of data that we could have already probably solved this. I've also been tracking another thing you guys failed to even complete a few years ago, I've shared my data openly hoping to get more, even you guys used some of my DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU, and you don't even credit me? That shows how self center your squadron is.

On top of all this the last time I tried to access the data sheets, both of them are now fully locked out and we can't see any data regarding current Guardian sites, nor any data regarding current thargoid sites. Your blackout on research is not a welcome one to those of us who are actively looking into different aspects of the game.

The sheets have never been locked out as far as I am aware. If you have any problems accessing it you can send me a DM and I will look into it. DM me details of what was asked and who asked it and I can look into that too.

 
Not wanting to labour the point but you made a false claim about being refused access to data. Our data has always been available. I have supplied said data. I hope that is sufficient to rebuld some trust. Please pass on the data to CMDR Falcon91 and if there is anything else you need feel free to ask.

You supplied new data sheets, the data sheets that were publicly linked that were available to be found without digging all had OLD DATA marked on them. Those were the only ones that were available till you posted the links now, and I do have screenshot proof as well as all of the SINC discord can back me when I say you guys locked us out of the majority of data exception of the old sites.

Now that might not have been your doing exactly, but that was when I checked them the last time checked them. These new links you have provided are not the same ones as had been available prior, these have different links on the overall good spreadsheet than prior.

Here is proof of my claim on that, if you look at the link you have in your current spreadsheet VS this one you'll see that you guys pulled data from the public and never updated your links to the public at wide. That was the Guardian sheet that was publicly available which it's data said it was "Old data", the Thargoid sheet as well till you provided an updated link said the same thing as well.

If you're wanting to work with us, rather than steal my data or refuse my data like Canonn has in the past in regards to Brain trees when I had over 100 sites that I released to the public which aided people in finding the Guardian sites in SWOLZ.
 
As such Canonn research has permitted me to declassify one of our most sensitive projects codename CHATTERBOX Some years ago, we detected a faint signal being emitted by the Guardian Obelisks. We have been monitoring it for years yet had seen no change. Until Salvation that is. - After the firing of the superweapon (sometime after Cornsar) all the guardian obelisks began displaying the same symbol. Also, the parameters of the high frequency data bursts changed. (For more details see the CHATTERBOX reference attached)

At the risk of sparking additional conspiracy theories I think this needs addressing.

While I appreciate the roleplay aspect of the OP. I think it is worth noting that project Chatterbox was a name @Broken_One came up with the day before publishing his open letter and that none of the research was classified let alone declassified and no permission was needed nor sought. This is purely a bit of flavourful roleplay.

Some people may have interpreted the OP as breaking news but in fact this symbol change is old news. Six months old.

The symbols on the Guardian Obelisks have changed a number of times over the years.
  • Prior to update 3.0 they were exhibiting similar behaviour to the current behaviour.
  • Between 3.0 and 4.11 They displayed icons representing the combination of cargo required to get information out from the obelisk .
  • After 4.11 they reverted to the behaviour similar to that seen prior to 3.0 but only in Odyssey.
    • The pattern is larger than pre-3.0
    • Example
    • In Horizons they are the same as they were between 3.0 and 4.11.
Here is a timeline to see how this matches up with Salvation firing the super weapon.
  1. 25th Oct 3303: Update 2.0 Guardians
  2. 27th February 3304: Update 3.0
  3. 20th September 3307: Cornsar superweapon https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-vanish-cornsar-system
  4. 14th December 3307: Delphi-Maia-Merope "Tri-Hammer" https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-repulsed-three-systems
  5. 15th March 3308: Update 11: Symbol change noted on the 15th March by Kralone
    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeAgCdM0PNw
  6. 12th May 3308: Sosong-Novas-Didio - https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/salvation-triggers-superweapon-victory
  7. 9th August 3308: salvation fires his super weapons
It is a full 6 months between Salvation first firing his weapon and the the Symbol change. While it is not impossible that the change in the guardian symbols may have been precipitated by the Salvation super weapon I would think it very unlikely. But that does not mean that the guardian symbols do not require investigation.

I'm not an expert on the guardians and have put this timeline together with the help of many members of Canonn on our discord. @Node_ @LilacLight @Grimscrub @hurix If I have got any details wrong, then let me know and I will correct them.

(Updated to fix missing images)
 
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You supplied new data sheets, the data sheets that were publicly linked that were available to be found without digging all had OLD DATA marked on them. Those were the only ones that were available till you posted the links now, and I do have screenshot proof as well as all of the SINC discord can back me when I say you guys locked us out of the majority of data exception of the old sites.

Now that might not have been your doing exactly, but that was when I checked them the last time checked them. These new links you have provided are not the same ones as had been available prior, these have different links on the overall good spreadsheet than prior.

Here is proof of my claim on that, if you look at the link you have in your current spreadsheet VS this one you'll see that you guys pulled data from the public and never updated your links to the public at wide. That was the Guardian sheet that was publicly available which it's data said it was "Old data", the Thargoid sheet as well till you provided an updated link said the same thing as well.

If you're wanting to work with us, rather than steal my data or refuse my data like Canonn has in the past in regards to Brain trees when I had over 100 sites that I released to the public which aided people in finding the Guardian sites in SWOLZ.

As a fellow man of science you are no doubt aware of Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

A lot of people have come and gone in Canonn and a lot of people who worked on the original sheets have moved on. I myself am terrible at updating documentation and very busy trying to maintain tools many of which that I had no hand in making as well as migrating old data to new locations.

I do apologise if you followed a bad link. Perhaps if you could provide me the places where there are linked from and I will update them with the new locations.
 
Hi Julian. I am the current manager of all the Canonn databases. Our data is available to everyone through the various tools that we manage. You don't even need to ask for it because it is publicly available on google sheets and anyone in the Cannon discord would freely give it away, All data on Guardian can be found on this spreadheet https://canonn.fyi/guardiansheet

I wasn't aware of any request for data from you or anyone else. I do hope that you aren't trying to use this thread to bash Canonn because of some history you have with us.

If there is any data that you think we have that is not publicly available then you can alwways get someone with access to our discord to ask on your behalf,
How’s about the translation key from Ram Tah?
 
As a fellow man of science you are no doubt aware of Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I am aware of this but again, a few years ago I literally offered you guys this for data which was basically an entire 200+ ly area of undiscovered brain tree's. Some system had been scanned before, but when you guys didn't want it I gave it to IGAU and to the community in a reddit post on r/eliteexplorers specifically citing I tried to give it to you guys.

So I don't attribute that to stupidity, more to arrogance of the saying as AXI members and Canonn members put it "There's nothing new out there" at that time. Currently I've been digging into these obelisks which is why the data requests were sent via various parties to Canonn leadership for full unrestricted access to all data on the Obelisks.

We asked you guys if you had noticed the pattern changing to what it is currently, which the pattern repeats we found as well after doing recordings and doing frame by frame analysis. One of your members already tried to shoot down the Guardian obelisks giving a signal off when you do a spectrogram of the audio, we may not have found the part needed to decode it, the galaxy is an extremely large place and this may be one we have to dig harder on.
A lot of people have come and gone in Canonn and a lot of people who worked on the original sheets have moved on. I myself am terrible at updating documentation and very busy trying to maintain tools many of which that I had no hand in making as well as migrating old data to new locations.

I do apologise if you followed a bad link. Perhaps if you could provide me the places where there are linked from and I will update them with the new locations.

Anything related to Guardian or thargoid on the Wiki links to the old data sheets, has for well over a year.
 
At the risk of sparking additional conspiracy theories I think this needs addressing.

While I appreciate the roleplay aspect of the OP. I think it is worth noting that project Chatterbox was a name @Broken_One came up with the day before publishing his open letter and that none of the research was classified let alone declassified and no permission was needed nor sought. This is purely a bit of flavourful roleplay.

Some people may have interpreted the OP as breaking news but in fact this symbol change is old news. Six months old.

The symbols on the Guardian Obelisks have changed a number of times over the years.
  • Prior to update 3.0 they were exhibiting similar behaviour to the current behaviour.
  • Between 3.0 and 4.11 They displayed icons representing the combination of cargo required to get information out from the obelisk .
  • After 4.11 they reverted to the behaviour similar to that seen prior to 3.0 but only in Odyssey.
    • The pattern is larger than pre-3.0
    • Example
    • In Horizons they are the same as they were between 3.0 and 4.11.
Here is a timeline to see how this matches up with Salvation firing the super weapon.
  1. 25th Oct 3303: Update 2.0 Guardians
  2. 27th February 3304: Update 3.0
  3. 20th September 3307: Cornsar superweapon https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-vanish-cornsar-system
  4. 14th December 3307: Delphi-Maia-Merope "Tri-Hammer" https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-repulsed-three-systems
  5. 15th March 3308: Update 11: Symbol change noted on the 15th March by Kralone
    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeAgCdM0PNw
  6. 12th May 3308: Sosong-Novas-Didio - https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/salvation-triggers-superweapon-victory
  7. 9th August 3308: salvation fires his super weapons
It is a full 6 months between Salvation first firing his weapon and the the Symbol change. While it is not impossible that the change in the guardian symbols may have been precipitated by the Salvation super weapon I would think it very unlikely. But that does not mean that the guardian symbols do not require investigation.

I'm not an expert on the guardians and have put this timeline together with the help of many members of Canonn on our discord. @Node_ @LilacLight @Grimscrub @hurix If I have got any details wrong, then let me know and I will correct them.
Why are you getting different readings in Odyssey?
 
At the risk of sparking additional conspiracy theories I think this needs addressing.

While I appreciate the roleplay aspect of the OP. I think it is worth noting that project Chatterbox was a name @Broken_One came up with the day before publishing his open letter and that none of the research was classified let alone declassified and no permission was needed nor sought. This is purely a bit of flavourful roleplay.

Some people may have interpreted the OP as breaking news but in fact this symbol change is old news. Six months old.

The symbols on the Guardian Obelisks have changed a number of times over the years.
  • Prior to update 3.0 they were exhibiting similar behaviour to the current behaviour.
  • Between 3.0 and 4.11 They displayed icons representing the combination of cargo required to get information out from the obelisk .
  • After 4.11 they reverted to the behaviour similar to that seen prior to 3.0 but only in Odyssey.
    • The pattern is larger than pre-3.0
    • Example
    • In Horizons they are the same as they were between 3.0 and 4.11.
Here is a timeline to see how this matches up with Salvation firing the super weapon.
  1. 25th Oct 3303: Update 2.0 Guardians
  2. 27th February 3304: Update 3.0
  3. 20th September 3307: Cornsar superweapon https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-vanish-cornsar-system
  4. 14th December 3307: Delphi-Maia-Merope "Tri-Hammer" https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-repulsed-three-systems
  5. 15th March 3308: Update 11: Symbol change noted on the 15th March by Kralone
    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeAgCdM0PNw
  6. 12th May 3308: Sosong-Novas-Didio - https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/salvation-triggers-superweapon-victory
  7. 9th August 3308: salvation fires his super weapons
It is a full 6 months between Salvation first firing his weapon and the the Symbol change. While it is not impossible that the change in the guardian symbols may have been precipitated by the Salvation super weapon I would think it very unlikely. But that does not mean that the guardian symbols do not require investigation.

I'm not an expert on the guardians and have put this timeline together with the help of many members of Canonn on our discord. @Node_ @LilacLight @Grimscrub @hurix If I have got any details wrong, then let me know and I will correct them.
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While I appreciate the roleplay aspect of the OP. I think it is worth noting that project Chatterbox was a name @Broken_One came up with the day before publishing his open letter and that none of the research was classified let alone declassified and no permission was needed nor sought. This is purely a bit of flavourful roleplay.
What are you talking about. I cant be not affiliated AND unable to classify my own information.

Here is a timeline to see how this matches up with Salvation firing the super weapon.
  1. 25th Oct 3303: Update 2.0 Guardians
  2. 27th February 3304: Update 3.0
  3. 20th September 3307: Cornsar superweapon https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-vanish-cornsar-system
  4. 14th December 3307: Delphi-Maia-Merope "Tri-Hammer" https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/thargoids-repulsed-three-systems
  5. 15th March 3308: Update 11: Symbol change noted on the 15th March by Kralone
    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeAgCdM0PNw
  6. 12th May 3308: Sosong-Novas-Didio - https://www.elitedangerous.com/news/galnet/salvation-triggers-superweapon-victory
  7. 9th August 3308: salvation fires his super weapons
It is a full 6 months between Salvation first firing his weapon and the the Symbol change. While it is not impossible that the change in the guardian symbols may have been precipitated by the Salvation super weapon I would think it very unlikely. But that does not mean that the guardian symbols do not require investigation.

Are you telling me this CG had nothing to do with it? (or the research that must be associated?) This CG was the week they changed?

LOCATION
Musashi | HIP 39768
OBJECTIVE
Deliver Guardian Relic, Guardian Orb, Guardian Casket, Guardian Tablet, Guardian Urn, Guardian Totem and Ancient Key
REWARD


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Pure Coincidence?

AS far as breaking RP please put it behind a spoiler curtain. -

Like I told you before I had discussed it will the members in signals analysis (some of whom have fancy tags by their names). My original draft was much more conservative but after the initial responses, requests for changes were made. I wont throw anyone under the buss because I don't do that so I will take the heat for using your letterhead.

If you all are really spending time talking about it on the back end it might help to actually investigate what was happening. The original letters with conservative language should still be on discord.

As far as secrets yea man. I saw people the day I signed up complaining because registration is a sort of paywall to access some of the information. -- Dont get me wrong, I think people need some secrets. I am just up front about it.

End of my piece on that.
 
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or this CG had nothing to do with it? -- Nah there are secrets out there. WE NEED ANSWERS!!

Ram Tah's Study of Salvation's Anti-Xeno Superweapon​

LOCATION
Felice Dock | MEENE
OBJECTIVE
Deliver Classified Experimental Equipment
REWARD

PROGRESS
Tier 1/2
CONTRIBUTORS
1,516
CONTRIBUTIONS
950,775
END
16 Dec 3307
STATUS
FINISHED


Tesreau has expressed her continued faith in Aegis, recognising the organisation is not perfect while maintaining that its efforts are well-intentioned. With the help of chosen pilots and Ram Tah's expertise, she hopes to prove that Salvation cannot be allowed to continue his reckless experiments.

As a reward for this support, the top 75% of contributors will receive four turret mounted Class 3 AX Missile Racks. These will be placed in storage at Felice Dock by the 18th of December 3307.

The first tier target will be enough to successfully analyse the superweapon. Surplus deliveries will be stocked for future tests, with deliveries still counting towards a pilot's final contribution total.

The initivative begins on the 9th of December 3307 and will run until the 16th of December. It is expected that the classified experimental equipment will be unavailable for collection from the morning of the 14th of December.
 
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