Out of interest, how is this known?

I'm asking as at some point between the Dev hyperspace video mentioned a few posts ago, and the release of the game, a new hyperspace animation was added. Not sure if it arrived with gamma or before.
Pretty sure that DB said it somewhere, but I havent got the source reference (if anyone finds it please let me know!)

Nearest I can find on my FDQuotes thread is DJTruthsayer interview with Drew Wagar.
Source: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/85666548

17m: Drew says DB first mention of Raxxla in-game was at pre-launch or launch party

But that link no longer works for me.... 😱

(Edit2: just found someone uploaded to YT, though the 17mins DB+Raxxla reference seems to be different, but haven't got time to listen all the way through
m.youtube.com/watch?v=09Qgz7_JCpE
)

Edit: been googling over lunch- a great way to waste time and get indigestion! Cant even get the forum search to apply “drew” to find Drew Wagar’s posts! Are FD redacting him??

Eventually refound his lore questions thread as my link to that had stopped working

I believe his question about Raxxla to David Braben was (from his archived blog from wayback machine) at BAFTA event on 7th July2014, his blog was the next day so a reasonably safe source!

In his forum lore thread Drew said “David's statement on Raxxla was given to me in direct response to me asking him whether Raxxla was in Elite Dangerous or not, during the Bafta event in 2014.

He responded with “It’s out there and we know where it is.””

and 8th July was the release date for the beta, though clearly DB would have had access to it (and possibly at that time also the gamma?) before it was released

So maybe Raxxla has been in-game since the beta?

Edit3: the patch notes are here if you want to check, though more likely to be phrased as “mysterious things” than “Raxxla”
 
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@Pyroboros @Adel
Well, Fortuna has no comets!
But there are a couple of installations and three belt clusters. Just dropped out at an installation, Baldwin Estate, flown around it...
Then checked- it has a SignalName but NO bodyid in the journal! Place that isnt a place??

There are a couple more installations, but it’s getting too hot to do any more today.

Interesting observation, but yesterday I was comet hunting in another system and as I was approaching a comet signal two npc (fed military in this case) appeared out of it in SC, while just after I’d dropped out of SC at another comet an npc dropped in after me, but there was no pirate warning and he was clean, didnt attack me & no conversation...perhaps makes sense of all those npc SC trails that just appear or disappear in the black?
 
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Are you carrying any trinkets?
Of course! Got 5 in the cargo hold.
The whole point of my trip out to Seagull Sector was to get some to see if they opened up a “comet” into the “omphalos rift”...I’m still looking! Thought after the previous day or so conversation about wheels, dark &/or fortune, it was worth trying Fortuna....not being into Latin I wasnt aware of the “eyes to see” reference to her so that got me interested.
 
@Pyroboros @Adel
Well, Fortuna has no comets!
But there are a couple of installations and three belt clusters. Just dropped out at an installation, Baldwin Estate, flown around it...
Then checked- it has a SignalName but NO bodyid in the journal! Place that isnt a place??

There are a couple more installations, but it’s getting too hot to do any more today.

Interesting observation, but yesterday I was comet hunting in another system and as I was approaching a comet signal two npc (fed military in this case) appeared out of it in SC, while just after I’d dropped out of SC at another comet an npc dropped in after me, but there was no pirate warning and he was clean, didnt attack me & no conversation...perhaps makes sense of all those npc SC trails that just appear or disappear in the black?
I got the impression the installations were not in the early releases? So we shouldn't need them to find it ?
 
So interesting enough I thought I look to see who ever reported this in the past and googled "Elite Dangerous Place that is not a place, A door that is also a key". I found an old reddit post from 7 years that gave the system by Cmdr_Fernweh. I not sure if this was discussed back then but it goes back to the whole Fortune again.

I checked to see what is so interesting about HIP 118321 and check the factions existing in this system. The one in control of the system is interesting enough HIP 118321 Fortune Incorporated. I am allied with them but I can't think of why and what purpose, Either I did it a long time ago when I tried to raise Empire rank and got bored cause I was trying to get a Cutter. Or another reason which I don't remember anymore.

Edit: Another thing about this user is they only posted 5 times 7 years ago and never done so since.

Edit2: Is it me or does this seem coincidental based on Raxxla codex of using Fernweh and then ' ' it for some reason.
 
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I got the impression the installations were not in the early releases? So we shouldn't need them to find it ?
Mmm, now I thought they were (but it’s odd they didn't seem to have a bodyid - I’ll check again later).
But then at my age I cant remember what I had for breakfast
Hang on, I dont have breakfast, apart from a mug of coffee! 🙂👴🏻
We need someone with a long memory...
Where’s Han_Zen?
 
So interesting enough I thought I look to see who ever reported this in the past and googled "Elite Dangerous Place that is not a place, A door that is also a key". I found an old reddit post from 7 years that gave the system by Cmdr_Fernweh. I not sure if this was discussed back then but it goes back to the whole Fortune again.

I checked to see what is so interesting about HIP 118321 and check the factions existing in this system. The one in control of the system is interesting enough HIP 118321 Fortune Incorporated. I am allied with them but I can't think of why and what purpose, Either I did it a long time ago when I tried to raise Empire rank and got bored cause I was trying to get a Cutter. Or another reason which I don't remember anymore.

Edit: Another thing about this user is they only posted 5 times 7 years ago and never done so since.

Edit2: Is it me or does this seem coincidental based on Raxxla codex of using Fernweh and then ' ' it for some reason.
Mmm, that is one of the old Elite/Founder missions that were given out at Shinrarta/Jameson Memorial. Long deleted from game, just about the same time I started playing so never got the chance to try one...See Macros’ summary on the first page of this thread! Interesting it’s in HIP 118321 though and not Shinrarta
@Rochester @Han_Zen @Macros Black -any comments/thoughts gentlemen?

Apparently they led nowhere and were dropped (or replaced by something else yet to be discovered?) in the mission system changes in late Dec2015/early2016. They did seem to be aimed at the Raxxla myth, and seemed to be handed out by Pilot’s Federation working against TDW faction in Shinrarta. Make of that what you will!

Edit: Fernweh is a German term, so perhaps not unsurprisingly used as a Cmdr name by a German player; doesn’t seem to be a hint etc to me. Could have been seen and triggered a thought in FD’s collective consciousness ( I think they’re governed by a Guardian AI! 🧐) for later use in the Codex.

Might be worth checking out that system though...I’m really surprised it appeared anywhere other than Shinrarta.

Edit2: and it’s also on Reddit, with no pictorial evidence that the claim is genuine...Reddit is notorious for trolling!
 
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Mmm, that is one of the old Elite/Founder missions that were given out at Shinrarta/Jameson Memorial. Long deleted from game, just about the same time I started playing so never got the chance to try one...See Macros’ summary on the first page of this thread! Interesting it’s in HIP 118321 though and not Shinrarta @Rochester @Han_Zen @Macros Black -any comments/thoughts gentlemen?

Apparently they led nowhere and were dropped (or replaced by something else yet to be discovered?) in the mission system changes in late Dec2015/early2016. They did seem to be aimed at the Raxxla myth, and seemed to be handed out by Pilot’s Federation working against TDW faction in Shinrarta. Make of that what you will!

Edit: Fernweh is a German term, so perhaps not unsurprisingly used as a Cmdr name by a German player; doesn’t seem to be a hint etc to me. Could have been seen and triggered a thought in FD’s collective consciousness ( I think they’re governed by a Guardian AI! 🧐) for later use in the Codex.

Might be worth checking out that system though...I’m really surprised it appeared anywhere other than Shinrarta.

Edit2: and it’s also on Reddit, with no pictorial evidence that the claim is genuine...Reddit is notorious for trolling!

Well I'm confused when were those missions removed?
Dec 2015/early 2016.

This was around the time I started playing. Before I ever knew Raxxla or The Dark Wheel existed until I heard from them by Malic/ Bognogus/ DJtruthsayers streams.
 
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Mm, I dont see the point in speculating over what was said in such early statements; the game has changed significantly over what was planned/hoped for/speculated during the early days. But we know that Raxxla was inserted in the gamma version and should be constrained by in-game capabilities of the time. the other day I went through Drew Wagar’s lore vid on hyperspace technology and added it to my ED timeline notes & here’s my thoughts:

Hyperspace technology
2097 first generation ship launched, start of some 70,000. Towards end of 21st century permanent colonies on Moon & Mars.
22nd Cent (i.e. sometime 2100- 2200) hyperdrive invented by Li Qin Jao’s team, spurring explosion of exploration & colonisation. hundreds of automated probes sent to all nearby systems.
2242 Federation Accord transforms it from Sol government to interstellar federal union; members are Sol, Tau Ceti, Delta Pavonis, Altair, Beta Hydri.
2280 First alien artefact found on Mars. Artificial and measuring no more than a few centimetres square (Allen Stroud’s PhD thesis quotes lore bible “In 2280, the first non-human relic was found in space. The object, no bigger than a child’s hand was collected by an orbital probe around Europa and quickly brought back to Earth. No information has ever been circulated as to the properties of this item or its origin.
2296 earliest recorded mention of Raxxla rumour is from the journal of Art Tornqvist, a shipboard mechanic based in the Tau Ceti system.
29th Cent consumer ships start to take advantage of drive miniaturisation
2800- 3125 “Faraway” system, typical max range 7 ly, significant external infrastructure required. “Witchspace” term coined for the hyperspace transit tube. Unsupervised jumps extremely dangerous. Thargoids reputed to hover in Witchspace & ambush transiting vessels. Transit time <1 minute.
3145- StarDreamer tech introduced to slow passenger metabolic rate.
3125- 3174 “Type 1” Quirium transit system, typical max range 7 ly, autonomous mechanism aboard ship. Quirium fuel secret lost with collapse of GALCOP. Modifications allowed “travel between galaxies”. Transit time <1 minute.
3174- 3297 “Type 2b” Hydrogen transit system. Range 7-25 ly, but unconfirmed rumours of up to 665 ly. Transit time several days-1 week. Military versions with unique fuels were available. Drive scaled to size of vessel. Radioactive waste produced. Hyperspace entry & exit clouds prominent
3251 Antares Starliner fitted with prototype fast hyperspace jump system lost on maiden voyage, which delayed introduction of current FSD technology. Wreckage found in January 3302.
3200-present day. “Type 2c” Tritium transit system, range 500 ly. Very bulky drives but autonomous mechanism aboard ship give enormous range and greater flexibility in exit point. Transit time <1 minute, but significant pre- & post-jump provisioning. Used by Drake class Fleet Carriers, Farragut battlecruiser and Majestic class Interdictor.
3297-present day “Type 3” “Frame Shift” technology introduced, based in Antares drive. Typical range 7-60 ly, extendable by rare material injection and supercharging. autonomous mechanism aboard ship. Navigational refinement is poor with exit coordinates determined by significant mass in destination system. Transit time <1 minute. These drives required large amounts of element Tantalum in manufacture, and causing some unrest due to land grabs. By 3300 had virtually replaced Type 2b technology, with the loss of a number of ship classes that could not be retrofitted with type 3 due to design constraints. Range increases changed tactical military deployment capabilities.

This timeline just highlights that at, & before, the date of the first Raxxla rumour the achievable jump range was very low, around 7 ly, which would have severely limited possible travel range. So how could Raxxla have been detected and the rumour started? Possibilities are: astronomically by telescope (in which case more details would be known), from leaked research on the “Mars” alien artefact, from probe detections or by bar gossip from someone who had personally encountered “something”. If it was by personal encounter or probe detection then it must be within a very short radius ( from Sol, Tau Ceti, Delta Pavonis, Altair, Beta Hydri) due to short fsd range & low speed of generation ships (& light speed comms). We also know that Raxxla is discussed in the alien lore manual which we have no access to.

My suspicions towards Sol are based on the reported presence of the alien artefact - perhaps it had markings “Raxxla me facit”? 😉 We have no details about it, but since it was found in Sol, then it could be a hint there may be something else of similar origins hidden within Sol. It is the only indication of alien visitors we have that might have started the rumour. I find it intriguing that the Alan Stroud’s lore bible had it recovered from orbit around Europa but the codex has it as found on Mars during terraforming. Why the change? We know the game characters can lie/deceive. Is the difference due to a desire to avoid too obvious a tribute to 2001 Space Odyssey? Or to make Raxxla harder to find?

The Raxxla rumour could be pure myth based on drink/drug-induced hallucinations or children’s tales of an alien boogeyman, but DB has said that Raxxla is in-game & MB has said it can be found, it is a non-random thing in-game, but is difficult to find. If it’s so difficult then how come a rumour started about it? Clearly not a widely-observable astronomical phenomenon, since many people have telescopes so details would have been impossible to hide. So Raxxla is something alien, physically existing but hidden/small so difficult to detect. And therefore logically it must be in/near to those early systems.

This reasoning is based on an assumption that FD have been logically consistent with their own lore and sensible in its location. Given FD’s reliability on this I am continuing my search for comets, and am currently around 60 ly from Sol! 😉 But Im staying within the short range bubble!
Need a citation on the mars relic being artificial if that's cool
 
Well I'm confused when were those missions removed?
1.5 Patch Notes General Fixes/Tweaks https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/ships-1-5-beta-update-patch-notes.199470/said “Elite/Founder missions are now only available at the Founders World”, so maybe what you found was before that update restricted those missions to Shinrarta?

But see my post https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-quest-to-find-raxxla.168253/post-9905639
And also my FD Quotes thread from my signature re mission system comments and E/F missions.
 
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Need a citation on the mars relic being artificial if that's cool
From my timeline notes
2280 First alien artefact found on Mars. Artificial and measuring no more than a few centimetres square.
Allen Stroud’s PhD thesis quotes his ED lore bible as saying “In 2280, the first non-human relic was found in space. The object, no bigger than a child’s hand was collected by an orbital probe around Europa and quickly brought back to Earth. No information has ever been circulated as to the properties of this item or its origin.”

Tourist beacon 0175 calls it an “object”
Not in-game so maybe check the codex?

Timeline (https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Elite_Dangerous_Timeline) says
“2280
A small object known as the Martian Relic, the first alien artefact ever documented, is discovered buried on Mars. As the Martian Relic was confiscated by the Federation shortly afterwards, it has been shrouded in secrecy for centuries, with its existence only confirmed by leaked Federal records. All that is known about the object is that it is artificial, it was not created by humans, and it measures no more than a few centimetres square.”

Interestingly the two sources for that EDTimeline entry are that tourist beacon and galnet (https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/57ee33959657baf15c5a5e67) , neither of which (now) confirm it is artificial....maybe retconned??

So unless the codex confirms it’s artifical I’m removing that word from my notes...
 
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Trinkets degrade, I keep 1 on me at a time, it makes noises in your ship and these noises eventually stop after a while, as far as I can tell
Have you ascertained the decay time?

And did I read somewhere that they are available in anarchy systems in the bubble? Dont want to journey out to Seagull Sector again for a while!!
 
Mmm, now I thought they were (but it’s odd they didn't seem to have a bodyid - I’ll check again later).
But then at my age I cant remember what I had for breakfast
Hang on, I dont have breakfast, apart from a mug of coffee! 🙂👴🏻
We need someone with a long memory...
Where’s Han_Zen?

v2.2 "The Guardians" & v1.7 - 25th Oct 2016 is when they were introduced according to :​


 
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