Patch Notes Update 2.1.04 update incoming

[Dutchman141]

I hope they fix the buzz crash on killing a skimmer at a poi soon.
I'm not attacking any poi anymore when planetside, it usually ends up in a buzz crash.

 

[Khromm]

Guess I didn't realize so many people use Docking Computers.
Well anyway any patch is a good patch I suppose. Keep them coming please.

'Tis convenient, and allows me to have a "Dock" VoiceAttack command that automatically requests docking permission and takes me in without me ever raising a finger... /grin

 

[V'larr]

Oh I didnt know I was responsible for finding bugs for FD especially those that didnt exist before. Normally there are people who do that for money (considering the amount of bugs generated in each update).
FYI it is always our right to expect something to be done for bugs without player feedback. Example? Other development studios.

They are only as human as you or me.
This unrealistic entitlement of yours gets nothing done and nothing solved.
If you're not willing to help by clarifying what you're seeing in a detailed bug report, how do you expect anybody to help you? With a seer's crystal ball and a magic wand?

Give me a break.

 

[Lave1990]

Really happy you fixed the docking computer bug, now let's pretend that the Feds and Empire fired those folks who were intoxicated on duty and because of this they couldn't land our ships.....

 

[zzehirbazz]

They are only as human as you or me.
This unrealistic entitlement of yours gets nothing done and nothing solved.
If you're not willing to help by clarifying what you're seeing in a detailed bug report, how do you expect anybody to help you? With a seer's crystal ball and a magic wand?

Give me a break.

If the problem didn`t exist before and if now it exists after an irrelevant change there has to be something wrong with the coding process because a working thing is messed up with no reason.

Yes bug reports are a solution but unfortunately temporary ones, considering they reappear, god knows how.
They have to be more careful while updating the game.
I have never seen an update causing more problems then it solves before in my life.

And honestly I do not care if the bug gets fixed at this point or not, the game is broken, period. Everytime something gets messed up -again- we have to wait weeks before it is fixed and it gets frustrating.
I am not the only person complaining about this, in fact, I am one of the majority, seeing all the rant and complaints all over the forums.

I always support FD and their cause, you can see in my other posts if you have nothing better to do, but the game should`ve been stable by now and like it or not bugs are to be found by developers themselves with or without the players reporting anything.

About the seer`s ball and magic wand sarcasm of yours:

Considering they are making the game, they should be constantly playing it and seeing those errors. It took me 10 minutes of play to see.
How do I expect them to help me without a bug report? By not breaking the goddamn thing in the first place!

I am not complaining about unfixed bugs, I am complaining about them creating new ones everytime.

 

[InlineSix]

They're busy implementing new features for 2.2.

Policiy is clearly new sales due to new features, not recurring customers. Downside of not letting the customer pay for server time.

 

[Tuuhea Takasumu]

Not sure if intended but there's no direct link to patch notes in the launcher.

 

[Masagmarod]

Was there a nerf to the mines? They seem to be packing less of a punch after the update.

 

[zzehirbazz]

They're busy implementing new features for 2.2.

Policiy is clearly new sales due to new features, not recurring customers. Downside of not letting the customer pay for server time.

Isn`t that the whole point of sales? Advertising before releasing the product so that you attract potential customers? Especially Elite being an early access game to be supported/sponsored?

They should know by now whomever supported the game by buying 1st and 2nd seasons would most likely get season 3 as well if it is advertised well beforehand?

I don`t see the logic behind holding back (since the begining) planned updates until a couple of weeks to the release.

If they do not want to reveal their plans on 2.2 for example why did they reveal passenger missions over the forums and kept the rest to themselves? Why not simply list planned updates/changes that are specific to 2.2?

They make it seem like they make the changes as they go without a plan. For example, who told them that passenger missions is the most important feature in 2.2 so that they revealed it right away? Especially when people got bored of space trucking as a whole.

I am certain, if I know anything about advertising (which I do for over 10 years), that they should be revealing planned changes/updates specific to Season 2 already, at least a summary of it. For example: Engineers was advertised bluntly as research and modifications coming to ED. But when it was about to get released, we learned that it actually brings mission overhaul, new bases,mining overhaul, visual updates. Why don`t they let us know of these beforehand so that people can expect what to get?

So with ship launched fighters we might also get new engineers, new missions, volcanic planets, powerplay overhaul? Makes no sense keeping them hidden for months. Actually, it makes bad advertising by sucker punching people with unexpected improvements.

If I was a regular consumer who had no idea about Elite Dangerous, I would google it and find that the planned updates for the game are: ship launched fighters, portraits, multi-crew and a surprise. Then I wouldn`t have a slightest idea of improvements that were not mentioned there and would reconsider if it is worth buying or not. Worst part is with each update comes a surprise change within game which you didnt know about and I am not sure if it is a good thing or not. They recently created a super AI that wasn`t advertised and people lost tons of money and time. They also recently removed a lot of mission types which was also uncalled for.

Aren`t all these things worth mentioning beforehand as a part of development plan so that existing players and potential customers can know what to expect? In my personal experience in gaming I did not see a game update/expansion where existing quests or characters are removed and unknown gameplay elements are being altered.

 

[BDelacroix]

I know it wasn't listed but did this oddity perhaps also fix the inability for a cutter to land at farseer?

 

[V'larr]

If the problem didn`t exist before and if now it exists after an irrelevant change there has to be something wrong with the coding process because a working thing is messed up with no reason.

So if the weather changes from what it last was when I walk outside, should I get up in arms and sue the weatherman?

You're being utterly, totally ridiculous. Your expectations are impossible and inhumane.

You have the means of aiding the bug-catching & reporting process. If you consciously choose not to pitch in, you are making the problem worse than it has to be.

I have never seen an update causing more problems then it solves before in my life.[

Then you've never paid attention to any kind of software development before, period.

And honestly I do not care

Then why the hell are you still here ranting and raving?

I have so little patience for anybody who just throws a tantrum, saying "Fix Things Now, I Don't Care How/Why, I Want It Now".

 

[zzehirbazz]

So if the weather changes from what it last was when I walk outside, should I get up in arms and sue the weatherman?

You're being utterly, totally ridiculous. Your expectations are impossible and inhumane.

U-huh....... Because the weatherman is responsible for worsening the weather......What kind of example is that? Are you "really" saying that developers or coders are not responsible for newly presented bugs? I can see who is being utterly, totally ridiculous by giving irrelevant examples. Dude listen, there are STUFF that WAS NOT broken, now being broken is NOT NORMAL. When fixing docking computer, you do not break something unrelated to it if not by accident.

Then you've never paid attention to any kind of software development before, period.

I reckon all the software that you have used so far has been broken with each update? Can you give me examples? I will give you the counter-examples, without thinking right away: Witcher 3 - never broken always improved, Dark Souls 3 Never broken always improved, Freelancer Never broken always improved, GTA V never broken always improved, X Com 2 never broken always improved, WoW never broken always improved. I specifically tried to give you successful developers,different genres. If by software you are referring to free to play MMO`s yeah you are right but Elite should be better then those. This is also not Windows 10 insider preview.

Then why the hell are you still here ranting and raving?

I have so little patience for anybody who just throws a tantrum, saying "Fix Things Now, I Don't Care How/Why, I Want It Now".

Because friend I have been waiting since 2014 for the game to at least fix stuff and not introduce new bugs in each update. Also you don`t seem to have little patience, considering you have no problems with playing a game that constantly changes and develops in a 10 year plan. You simply don`t like "criticism" and have no objectivity. Nobody in their right mind would accept frustration with each update and shut their eyes/ears to bad sides and see only the good, hence objectivity.

By the way this is aimed to be an Online game at heart, so it is logical to expect constant updates and fixes without waiting a month.

 

[Kroy]

What I hate about patch day. Logging in and seeing this

and having no idea how long it will actually take. In this instance, about 5 minutes, if that... but still...

 

[V'larr]

U-huh....... Because the weatherman is responsible for worsening the weather......What kind of example is that?

Twice in one day I've had to use this picture:

I was making a pretty direct comparison between "predicting the weather" and "anticipating bugs" with software development.

I mean, can you even contemplate the billions of lines of code that go into using your computer on a daily basis? There's thousands if not millions contained within Elite alone. If you were tasked to make sure every single line of code did not conflict with the other million, contain any spelling errors, or otherwise produced some unintended result, you wouldn't have enough time in the world even if you live to be a thousand years old.

Catching and fixing bugs is a process that happens by reacting to what becomes visible and prioritizing anything has a drastic effect.

Just like predicting and reacting to the weather.


By the by, *all* the examples you offered have had numerous (and sometimes critical) software issues at one point or another (especially XCom). Not that you'd notice without actually going and looking at it over time.

Also, this is what I call irony:

You simply don`t like "criticism" and have no objectivity.

hence objectivity.

You mean subjectivity.

By the way this is aimed to be an Online game at heart, so it is logical to expect constant updates and fixes without waiting a month.

lol! What online game have you been playing that has "constant updates and fixes" more than once a month (let alone a few times a month, which is the pace Elite has been keeping since the release of 2.1)?

I've been lucky to see updates more than every 3 months on other online games that are far more popular than Elite Dangerous currently is.

I hate to be too blunt, but you're talking out of your rear end, and you know it.

This is not the appropriate way of either expressing your frustration, or dealing with said frustration.

 

[CMDR B. Schmidt]

Was there a nerf to the mines? They seem to be packing less of a punch after the update.

Nah, I haven't experienced such a thing.

 

[zzehirbazz]

Twice in one day I've had to use this picture:
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Neater_9975.png

I was making a pretty direct comparison between "predicting the weather" and "anticipating bugs" with software development.

I mean, can you even contemplate the billions of lines of code that go into using your computer on a daily basis? There's thousands if not millions contained within Elite alone. If you were tasked to make sure every single line of code did not conflict with the other million, contain any spelling errors, or otherwise produced some unintended result, you wouldn't have enough time in the world even if you live to be a thousand years old.

Catching and fixing bugs is a process that happens by reacting to what becomes visible and prioritizing anything has a drastic effect.

Just like predicting and reacting to the weather.


By the by, *all* the examples you offered have had numerous (and sometimes critical) software issues at one point or another (especially XCom). Not that you'd notice without actually going and looking at it over time.

Also, this is what I call irony:


You mean subjectivity.



lol! What online game have you been playing that has "constant updates and fixes" more than once a month (let alone a few times a month, which is the pace Elite has been keeping since the release of 2.1)?

I've been lucky to see updates more than every 3 months on other online games that are far more popular than Elite Dangerous currently is.

I hate to be too blunt, but you're talking out of your rear end, and you know it.

This is not the appropriate way of either expressing your frustration, or dealing with said frustration.

I definitely meant no objectivity, not being neutral and not being able to weigh the good or the bad regardless of whether you be a fanboy or a ranter. And I stand by my claim, you just don`t like negative criticism. It is visible when you react harshly to people who freely expresses their frustration about something that is not so usual.

You are saying all those games had issues, yet you fail to give an example JUST LIKE Elite: Dangerous` current state, because this is where Elite fails in epic proportions: lots - of - errors despite being 2 year old. You know in your heart I am right about NONE of those games I told you had 1/10 bugs as Elite in their worst state.

You seem to like being blunt, in any case, if I was talking out of my rear end by now you would`ve been drowned in u-know-what. Please loose the hidden-profanity.

We can always agree to disagree but the fact is everybody complains about what I complain and will keep complaining till the number of complainers are vast majority of the community unless they figure out stabilizing the game.

2 years is a long time to stabilize any game that is meant to be played upon release.

 

[V'larr]

<snipped>

*headdesk*

Look, if you refuse to be reasoned with or talk sense, not my problem anymore. I've tried my best.

As I turn away though, I'll remind you of this: Elite Dangerous is not a complete or finished release. It has at least 8 more years to go, if not more, before it will be.

 

[Iggy Drad]

Still hasn't fixed my problem with The Dweller not unlocking, blocking engineer progression
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/266442-quot-The-Dweller-quot-not-unlocking

 

[V'larr]

Still hasn't fixed my problem with The Dweller not unlocking, blocking engineer progression
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/266442-quot-The-Dweller-quot-not-unlocking

Seems like that goes deeper than the (now fixed) issue where Engineer rep wouldn't update without either waiting a good 15 minutes or closing & re-entering the game....

It's been logged, so it's something they are aware about and it's on a to-do list somewhere; just gotta remember that to-do list keeps growing and changing according to what can & cannot be fixed quickly for whatever reason.

I remember someone else reporting the same issue but it resolved itself for them & they were able to start selling gold just fine... :\ Not much help to you, I guess, but I'm tryin' to say it's not all doom and gloom!

 

[Iggy Drad]

Seems like that goes deeper than the (now fixed) issue where Engineer rep wouldn't update without either waiting a good 15 minutes or closing & re-entering the game....

It's been logged, so it's something they are aware about and it's on a to-do list somewhere; just gotta remember that to-do list keeps growing and changing according to what can & cannot be fixed quickly for whatever reason.

I remember someone else reporting the same issue but it resolved itself for them & they were able to start selling gold just fine... :\ Not much help to you, I guess, but I'm tryin' to say it's not all doom and gloom!

No matter how I think about it, it's pretty doom and gloomy. I seem to have a special case bug. There's not enough info to figure out the cause and I don't think one person is worth all the digging it would take them to find it while going blind. They could easily fix my problem by adding 4 or 5 lines of code to add in a failsafe check to make sure this is fixed and doesn't happen again even if they can't figure out why it happens. From their point of view I'm probably not worth the extra hassle and I may never get access to those engineers I'm missing.