Does this need it's own thread? I think it does, because an SRV mech would be pretty sweet.
2.2's Instant Ship and Module Transport - Yay or Nay?
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Does this need it's own thread? I think it does, because an SRV mech would be pretty sweet.
If you were crazy enough to just 'sit there watching the timer tick to zero' then sorry, that would all be on you, and would be frankly, stupid. What are you going to do? - well what were you doing before?, what is forcing you to sit and wait? If there ever was an example of instant gratification and said gratification at any cost, (almost), this is it. I'll say it again, if Frontier had announced 'ship transfer with delay' at GC you would have been happy, because they mentioned 'instant' you now can't live or play without it, strange.
Yep... the potential of lots of additional gameplay with NPCs transfering your ship(s) would go right down the bin.
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Tell that to the God-mode hackers who've been carrying on without any sort of punishment for the past 6 months, despite being reported umpteen times.
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Yeah it's not like it has to be mechwarrior levels of complex, even some power armor, a walking SRV that you wear!
You can put it in a ship, then go away a hundred lightyears and then sit and insta-transfer it to you, running the game forever, for some reason
You can put it in a ship, then go away a hundred lightyears and then sit and insta-transfer it to you, running the game forever, for some reason
Actually so would I. But I'd probably prefer it was a potential second title. Because then there's two sweet games to play. Not just one that doesn't make anyone happy because the developer cannot find middle ground and has pretty much given up at this point so there aren't even reasons beyond ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Base Assaults in a Timberwolf or an old Thor would be great fun /back on topic
Mecha EVA suits... ahhh, the dream.
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Howzabout:
Instant teleporting. But teleporting is a 'push' not a 'pull'. Just as trivial to code (for those, like me, who think that is the driver behind the decision). But no magic needed (or, rather, much less magic), because you can pretend that it is traveling during the time you take to travel to your destination.
Instant teleporting. But teleporting is a 'push' not a 'pull'. Just as trivial to code (for those, like me, who think that is the driver behind the decision). But no magic needed (or, rather, much less magic), because you can pretend that it is traveling during the time you take to travel to your destination.
As mentioned before on many, many occasions...
Mods are allowed to have their opinions of the game etc.
If they are active in a discussion then this precludes them from moderating in that particular thread.
Having a pop at a moderator just because they are one isn't very sporting to someone who devotes a considerable amount of time helping out here on the forum.
So in conclusion please remember mods are human too....well except for Kerrassh I've always had my suspicions about him... far too cheerful in my opinion.
And as for Coutts.... don't get me started.....
p.s Quite frankly Yaffle is mental.
Mods are allowed to have their opinions of the game etc.
If they are active in a discussion then this precludes them from moderating in that particular thread.
Having a pop at a moderator just because they are one isn't very sporting to someone who devotes a considerable amount of time helping out here on the forum.
So in conclusion please remember mods are human too....well except for Kerrassh I've always had my suspicions about him... far too cheerful in my opinion.
And as for Coutts.... don't get me started.....
p.s Quite frankly Yaffle is mental.
Righhtt ....
Last time I checked it isn't!
And I don't remember it being 'sold' as anything other than a game called Elite.
SRV MECHA. Who even drives anywhere when you are in power armour like how is this not even a thing yet?
Cargo should take time to unload
Modules should take time to install
Paint Jobs should take time to apply
Ammo should take time to reload, and not all ammo should be available at all stations
Act on the ship you're sitting in. You can't fly off "half-way through", and all fun stops if you wait. Imurshun be damned if locked out.
Heat Sink and Chaff should be Synthesiable
Dunno.
You're missing the point a little egregiously if I may be so bold. No game, no film, no play, is immersive. All play on methods of giving the illusion of full immersion. Because all are entertainment forms and wrestle with the balance between reality being rather dull and giving you the illusion of that reality without being rather dull.
So in a film, a guy repairs his engine after its been damaged in a race. We don't need to see him tighten every bolt and feel that the realism of the race has been lost because we've not seen him tighten every bolt. We accept a cut between that moment of "I will repair this" and "I have repaired this". It's superfluous, and of course, boring. It slows the story.
Likewise in a game, this balance is being fought. Waiting for a paint job to apply, or for a refuel, of for a SRV to slowly bundle canisters in the hold are things that slow the game, do not reward gamers with enjoyment and make little to no difference in 95% of instances. Like a film, you can "chop" that piece to keep the player energised.
Transporting a ship instantly through space, 500ly with no explanation is not the same. It DOES make a different to how the game is played. Strategies will alter. People will in Open do their transporting in Condas for protection and good FSD range. They will then call their other ships to their new point safely. Griefers can make their way to a long range target in a high FSD ship, swap over at a CG to a FDL. Destroy that? Oh, well that was now actually based in that local station, he can now just call up his Corvette from across the galaxy and come back to exactly the same battle with no delay. You going to Engineer up your fleet, spend time and thought on how you're going to get your lesser ships more honed? Why bother? Just Engineer two now! One for distance, one for combat! You can swap and change at a whim!
How Elite is played changes significantly. You're no longer an explorer explorer the deep spaces. You're an explorer until you need to quickly change to a bounty hunter because it suits YOU not the universe. This universe, which has groomed its players into accepting that to get the center of the galaxy can take months now takes that consideration to vocation away. Worried about your Asp entering the Bubble with all its data? Well just stop off at the nearest station, swap over to a Python or something even meatier and make the way safely! Yes, it is common sense, but can you not see how it changes how we play Elite? How it trivialises the realism? You can suddenly swap ships like Thunderbirds wherever in space you are - does that not break the illusion of expanse? Of scale? Of loneliness? Of realism?
Now if Elite had been built on fast, arcade style simplicity, then yes you could do this, but Elite has been built fine tuning the balance between making what matters immersive, and what doesn't matter, like how long it takes to fuel or repair, less immersive to help with the gameplay.
The two are not the same.
As I said this morning, and I'll say it again in case FDev aren't planning on reading 200 pages, if they considered the contract to be enacted at the initial station rather than the end one, this becomes less painful. If you want to get to Lave from Sol, you book your ship's transport at Sol, and then it can instant itself there, but will to you take as long as it takes yourself to get there. So there is duration - and my above quibble issues also go out the window. You need to plan in advance - which is realistic. Consider:
You want to have a ship on standby for when you return to the bubble to make the rest of the way in a non-explorer ship through hostile known space? You send that ship to that staging point BEFORE you leave to the Black. When you come back you can swap? That's a benefit! You can send your explorer ship further into the bubble from that staging point BEFORE you leave in your haulered second ship. That makes sense. You could plan that sort of strategy in a real world environment. It isn't a cheat. No insta-ship.
It's not perfect. I'd personally put a max range, a time modifer (hauler has to stop at several points before he gets to the destination station), a price-tag, and maybe select stations. This should be strategy bonus, not an arcade one. That's the key.
Instant transfer is a development dead end, it does not introduce anything new and cannot be built upon. Spending the time to create a system that can track an NPC controlled ships movement across the galaxy has near infinite possibilities.
I'm starting to wonder how some people are even able to play the game currently...
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