Powerplay 5C (Fifth Column) strikes Felicia Winters. Frontier needs to act.

Wow, so at least you are admitting that you did 5C Winters. That's a new. I can of course only speak beside the Kumo Crew for sure and tell you that no, we never did that, we never will even if I admit that I personally had many times thought about public 5C actions to "press the problem" to FDev (I'm happy that qbit stopped me every time).
Apparently you guys did. That's the difference between us and you.

I guess comprehension isn't your best suit... No, we were 5c'd. That was clear. OUR lossy systems were all fortified within 2 days of the cycle. Systems we never fortify. Wonder who that was?? I did not admit to anything.

And as for AWC operating always in Open... well... you must have great instancing issues. I blame the devs for that too, of course. It's not your fault if you hail from funny time-zones.
Ask around... I've never even heard of you, and I hardly ever see a Kumo CMDR. Forum battles don't count. Yes, we operate in open. Always. Never seen you though...
 
I usually fly in Grom systems to be honest, that's the reason why probably. And: I do not know you so...

BUT: when I accuse a group of 5Cing and they answer talking about ANOTHER operation... Well... People could see that as some kind of justification.

I wanna try an experiment with you: let's everybody ask FDev to check constantly the Powerplay HQ systems for bots, and same goes for the top preparation systems. Would you agree to that?

I agree. :)
 
I wanna try an experiment with you: let's everybody ask FDev to check constantly the Powerplay HQ systems for bots, and same goes for the top preparation systems. Would you agree to that?

I agree. :)

I'm absolutely in favor of that and have let FLC leadership know that. I've been asked by FLC leadership to sign a petition to FDev and will happily do so regarding botting. Botting is a scourge in this game and should be eradicated.
 
IMHO, The whole game should be open only.

i dont have a problem with 5C... i see it as a legitimate role playing game mechanic / tactic, that any power can do or stop (if open only happens).
 
IMHO, The whole game should be open only.

i dont have a problem with 5C... i see it as a legitimate role playing game mechanic / tactic, that any power can do or stop (if open only happens).

Agreed, the existence of PG and solo not only ruins powerplay its also let fdev get away with horrible game design in other areas like crime and punishment and risk vs reward. They never had to balance any of this as you can just run to another game mode and change the equation. Not sure about 5C being legit - you could still do enormous amounts of damage to a power far too easily by spoiling turmoils etc. It would still be OP I think.
 
Last night before powerplay tick, those of us in Federal Liberal Command who do the majority of the power play work for Felicia Winters (and is the largest organized group doing it - see our rewards in PC and console play for best PP squadron) witnessed the first organized Fifth Column attack on Winters in the time many of us have played for Federal Liberal Command. We've always had "5c" - random players who've attempted to feed Winters bad preparations.. but these were no randos doing this.

Winters had an expansion that was put up to block Torval from using it as a weaponized against us. Our folks were told specifically not to haul to it. We got higher then normal random traffic to "expand it in the 6 1/2 days prior to the cycle, but nothing that our allies and module shoppers couldn't handle.

Last night with an hour and a half to go, 26 thousand merits got hauled between then and tick time to narrowly "win" that expansion. The traffic report at Lazdongand showed a big jump in visits by Cutters. We believe that probably a couple to several wings were involved in shipping this to this system (all done in PG or solo, as the pilots who we sent there to search never saw a soul). Just to put it in perspective, 28K of expansion merits got sent to Lazdongand in the first 6 1/2 days of the tick... the "5c" basically matched that output in the last hour and a half of the cycle.. so this was well planned and well organized.

May of us have strong beliefs/suspicions as to which players Power(s) in the game decided to pull this stunt.... but regardless of who, its pretty brutal that those players have decided to go to any lengths to "screw Winters".

I believe Frontier can probably find out who this shadowy group was: they can read players logs like anyone else. I'm going to call on Frontier to examine their records for last night for a) players who suddenly switched pledged from their power to join WInters, and b) hauled expansion merits to Lazdongand. I believe they've broken the spirit of the game of Powerplay if not the rules, and should be punished.

Do I think Frontier will do that? No.. but Powerplay has now stagnated to the point where players are exploiting game mechanics to hurt other Powers they don't like in order for them to "win". .. and Frontier needs to do something soon to address it, before it loses a lot of players tired of having to play against unseen opponents who basically cheat.


Note: this is my personal opinion only.

Fifth column has been an issue for quite a while, alas these kinds of posts generally go with someone getting hit by it bringing up the issue and those of other factions just going 'too bad'

So yeah not sure, something should be done, but it really needs to be a united player front regardless of faction, and regardless of it benefiting people's own faction or not.
 
In the last few weeks I proposed a totally separate Open Only server, I honestly think it's the only way. We would have two separate galaxies, but there's really no other way to ensure both the communities (the open only one, and the not open only one) to benefit of the same features than anybody else. I would honestly love to fortify differently, slower of course, and possibly with some fighting support (I already did during the CG in Harma, that was insanely funny to be honest).

But of course I can't see FDev managing TWO servers, especially one dedicated just to us, the poor stupid honest people that can accept the loss without necessarily having to cheat to get back because we think some other people cheated against us. (Which, again, it's not true btw but nevermind that, it's difficult to make you change your mind that your 5C is not organised by who you think it does).

My issue with the game right now it's not to win or to lose: I chosed myself not the winning side of course, Archon Delaine would never be the greatest player in the game, even in Open Only, because a Criminal Cartel is not as much attractive as one of the three Superpowers. So trust me: it's not about being first, but it's about playing a fair game and have fun with that, even in loss.

You think you won with the last cycle. Yeah, you won. But we, everybody, as a community, we've lost again, and most of that is Frontier Developments who's losing, because they show us that they do not care.

I hope, I really hope they do, but what they show to us is totally different. This game is a mess in any kind of CMDRtoCMDR interaction, and it always will be as long as there will be the coexistence of the three modes in this server. We need a new different server, just in Open, just fo us, then we'll see who will have more fun. I'm positive we'd have much more fun than anybody else.
 
I think we all know the potential Powerplay has to provide commanders with a narrative to follow that is more than the ship and quite a few of us can apply for the worst Power setup award (I'm in a mining Power that punishes commanders for mining). The issue is FDev and the development resources they can allocate to Elite Dangerous and thus to Powerplay. The mechanical problems are the same as they have been for years as is the presence of 5C actions by parties supporting one side or another; the only difference now is that the relative position of some of the Powers seems to have changed.

CMDR Justinian Octavius
 
Agreed, the existence of PG and solo not only ruins powerplay its also let fdev get away with horrible game design in other areas like crime and punishment and risk vs reward. They never had to balance any of this as you can just run to another game mode and change the equation. Not sure about 5C being legit - you could still do enormous amounts of damage to a power far too easily by spoiling turmoils etc. It would still be OP I think.

When i say legit, i mean more realistic. MI6, CIA etc etc
 
State of Powerplay

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It gets boring with the solo/private talk when all the serious commanders clearly dont do that, otherwise how did your commanders see Fry in the first place?

That said we do share several options, one of which is PP needs to be "open only" if it hopes to survive. And the 5c thing is a non starter for where I'm sat but I'm no expert on CC ect. FYI the only force I've ever known use 5c is .... the Federation maybe this is why its forefront in your mind?

Now I dont post this with the hope to start a weeing competition but honestly guys over the years its always seems that the game is broken when you are not winning when in reality the game as not changed from when you was winning.

If you wish to talk as a collective to FDev about PP and the solo/private issue then lets do it "together" mine door is open o7
 
Me and 5C? I guess you have to check your brain, for accusing me of that. You only know how to cry and to blame people with something they didnt do.
Here is what i did last cycle. IN OPEN

Huh, got done 5c-ing Torval and back under the ALD flag?
 
And the 5c thing is a non starter for where I'm sat but I'm no expert on CC ect. FYI the only force I've ever known use 5c is .... the Federation maybe this is why its forefront in your mind?


Also, AD is famous for 5cing themselves and blaming others, as well as 5cing other imps. The fact they did it again to FLC after doing it to Torval, Patty, ALD, and themselves does not surprise me at all
 
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No one ever accused Fry of flying in solo or PG'ing OR 5C'ing.. which is the original point of this post.. you're a tad defensive ;)


It gets boring with the solo/private talk when all the serious commanders clearly dont do that, otherwise how did your commanders see Fry in the first place?

That said we do share several options, one of which is PP needs to be "open only" if it hopes to survive. And the 5c thing is a non starter for where I'm sat but I'm no expert on CC ect. FYI the only force I've ever known use 5c is .... the Federation maybe this is why its forefront in your mind?

Now I dont post this with the hope to start a weeing competition but honestly guys over the years its always seems that the game is broken when you are not winning when in reality the game as not changed from when you was winning.

If you wish to talk as a collective to FDev about PP and the solo/private issue then lets do it "together" mine door is open o7
 
It's pretty funny watching the player groups in AD squabble about who did what and how that was against "the interest of the Princess."
 
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