6 Hours of Effort Wasted

[Jukelo]

I love that you think this justifies broken game mechanics. How someone chooses to play the game is their own decision. It's not unreasonable for them to expect the fundamental mechanics to work.

Whoever said anything about justifying anything broken? I'm giving people sensible advice on how to approach gaming and mitigate the issues that always arise. This doesn't absolve Frontier for any issue on their end, so please stop putting words in my mouth in your crusade to make everybody else miserable.
Also that's not what "broken game mechanics" means. Bugs and technical problems aren't broken game mechanics. There are plenty of broken mechanics in ED, a hiccup with the BGS tick is not that.

This is similar to the responses insisting there are no bugs or stability issues, despite the fact there is DEMONSTRABLY a tonne of them. It all falls into the "nothing to see here" defence strategy employed by the more convinced of the player base. Perhaps if we all acknowledged the reality of the state this game was in, as opposed to bickering and denying the obvious, FD would be forced to allocate some resource to fix it.

I read these forums almost every day, I can't remember very many claims that there are no bugs or stability issues. If anything, when somebody has an issue a common response is "have you reported it" (at which point some people tend to show up and complain that Frontier doesn't read bug reports or some other unconstructive nonsense). Which more than implies there can be technical issues.

 

[Dagwit]

Don't you get it? It's his fault for playing the game in a way that's supposed to work. FDev aren't in any way responsible for bugs and broken mechanics. If you put time into the game and don't get the reward that the game should provide it's all your fault.

I know it seems crazy, but having spent almost a year on this forum, I've realised that's how it works. Everyone says so.

It seems crazy because it is crazy.

Here's the fact of the matter: Frontier is a business and we're its customers. It's our job to complain when service is substandard - which, with regard to the BGS, it most certainly currently is. Any customer who objects to this process has, to put it politely, no understanding of his own interests.

I love this game, but it's my responsibility, if I think something is wrong with it, to speak up.

 

[DeletedUser191218]

It seems crazy because it is crazy.

Here's the fact of the matter: Frontier is a business and we're its customers. It's our job to complain when service is substandard - which, with regard to the BGS, it most certainly currently is. Any customer who objects to this process has, to put it politely, no understanding of his own interests.

I love this game, but it's my responsibility, if I think something is wrong with it, to speak up.

I wholeheartedly agree. The game isn't in a great state right now with bugs and issues. It's really odd for a game this far into it's lifespan to suffer from fundamental breaks in the mechanics.

 

[DeletedUser191218]

Whoever said anything about justifying anything broken? I'm giving people sensible advice on how to approach gaming and mitigate the issues that always arise. This doesn't absolve Frontier for any issue on their end, so please stop putting words in my mouth in your crusade to make everybody else miserable.
Also that's not what "broken game mechanics" means. Bugs and technical problems aren't broken game mechanics. There are plenty of broken mechanics in ED, a hiccup with the BGS tick is not that.



I read these forums almost every day, I can't remember very many claims that there are no bugs or stability issues. If anything, when somebody has an issue a common response is "have you reported it" (at which point some people tend to show up and complain that Frontier doesn't read bug reports or some other unconstructive nonsense). Which more than implies there can be technical issues.

The BGS is a game mechanic....that is broken ��

 

[Jukelo]

The BGS is a game mechanic....that is broken ��

Let me quote the OP to remind you of what the initial complaint was about:

6 Hours of effort in trade wasted because of FDev's shananigans with the tick yesterday.

Now since I know you didn't wait to know what the OP was referring to before you jumped into this thread, here's the issue in question.

This isn't about the BGS as a game mechanic and how broken or not it is conceptually or in practice. This is a bug or some technical snafu on Frontier's end that prevented the BGS tick from running. The OP is miffed about that and afraid their efforts to influence the BGS weren't taken into account. That's nothing to do with the game mechanic itself and its merits (for the record I agree entirely with Morbad on that, as with many things).

 

[Ian Phillips]

Done a little cleaning up some unpleasantness.

Really, if you can't be civil in your posts, consider 'not posting' as an option.

 

[DeletedUser191218]

Let me quote the OP to remind you of what the initial complaint was about:



Now since I know you didn't wait to know what the OP was referring to before you jumped into this thread, here's the issue in question.

This isn't about the BGS as a game mechanic and how broken or not it is conceptually or in practice. This is a bug or some technical snafu on Frontier's end that prevented the BGS tick from running. The OP is miffed about that and afraid their efforts to influence the BGS weren't taken into account. That's nothing to do with the game mechanic itself and its merits (for the record I agree entirely with Morbad on that, as with many things).

I don't even know where to start with this...

Your response is very strange in honesty. It basically rests on trying to deny that a game mechanic not working isn't a broken game mechanic. Either way, arguing over semantics is entirely beside the point. Whether you choose to call it A or B doesn't really matter. My point was that whenever something doesn't work in ED, there is the usual raft of people advising the complainant that somehow it is their responsibility to work around that. And then we wonder why FD seemingly feel under no pressure to fix issues.....

 

[NCFCpaul]

Can someone explain to a layman (idiot) what the problem is? I appreciate Jukelo trying but I'm curious what happened to OP?

Did all his six hour game time get scrubbed because of a Frontier fault? I can totally appreciate that would be annoying!?

Or is it the case that attempts to alter the BGS over six hours which should have yielded results didn't because of a technical failing with Frontiers systems?

Sorry to be a bit thick...

 

[the100thmonkey]

attempts to alter the BGS over six hours which should have yielded results didn't because of a technical failing with Frontiers systems?

This is correct.

 

[Ddraig]

You were playing a game for 6 hours. By definition you were wasting time.
Anyway, several options ahead of you. I would go with report the issue.

 

[Maeyat]

Can someone explain to a layman (idiot) what the problem is? I appreciate Jukelo trying but I'm curious what happened to OP?

Did all his six hour game time get scrubbed because of a Frontier fault? I can totally appreciate that would be annoying!?

Or is it the case that attempts to alter the BGS over six hours which should have yielded results didn't because of a technical failing with Frontiers systems?

Sorry to be a bit thick...

You aren't being thick at all, nor an idiot. Sometimes the subtleties matter.

The OP is not allowed to tell you what happened to OP (interpret that as thou wilt).

All 6 consecutive hours of BGS trade/missions effort were just lost into the void. First time I've put that much effort in since Beyond hit the ground with a splat and spatter. If it's anyone's fault it is FDev's (or, as some would pedantically claim, mine for being so stupid as to play a game that doesn't provide promised rewards). Some people do play the BGS manipulation game. I am one such person. I played the game with the same reasonable expectation of reward that *any* other BGS player playing the game expects. Got nothing. Zero. Zilch. Hence, annoyed.

And no, it is not possible (or at least it is wildly improbable) that other players simply negated efforts conducted across 8 different systems.

With respect to your two options, it is an "and" situation, not an exclusive "or" one. The tick failed and then didn't carry over, so that BGS effort was lost.

Hopefully, this clarifies things.

Now, if you'll pardon me, I have to go place a provoking snowflake on ignore.

 

[Maeyat]

You were playing a game for 6 hours. By definition you were wasting time.

This is a rather jaundiced opinion, don'tcha think? Who are you to dictate what is wasted time in someone else's life? I don't tell you what is wasted time in yours, do I?

Anyway, several options ahead of you. I would go with report the issue.

Not reportable, or rather, not effectively so.

 

[BaddMongo]

Still no tick today I presume?

 

[Lightspeed]

This is a rather jaundiced opinion, don'tcha think? Who are you to dictate what is wasted time in someone else's life? I don't tell you what is wasted time in yours, do I?



Not reportable, or rather, not effectively so.

Something about this does not add up.

FD are appealing for information of this kind in order to fix the BG, and you are saying it's not effectively reportable ?

There are two options open to you:

1) Provide information in the thread I posted previously to help devs reach a solution for everybody (the instructions from Will are clear enough as to what information to provide);

2) Write a rant thread and perpetuate it.

You appear to have opted for the latter, which helps no-one (or have you done (1) already?)

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Don't you get it? It's his fault for playing the game in a way that's supposed to work. FDev aren't in any way responsible for bugs and broken mechanics. If you put time into the game and don't get the reward that the game should provide it's all your fault.

I know it seems crazy, but having spent almost a year on this forum, I've realised that's how it works. Everyone says so.

Blame The User. Standard, since at least Babbage.

 

[BlackSpaceCowboy]

It's just so gauche.

I wonder if French left-handed people find this term offensive.

 

[Dagwit]

I wonder if French left-handed people find this term offensive.

As a southpaw myself I've always found something sinister about the way we're treated in English.

 

[Wolf Starslayer]

As a southpaw myself I've always found something sinister about the way we're treated in English.

Indeed, the word 'sinister' is itself leftist. Damn right handed propaganda man...

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Bah! Trying being anarchist! Only the authoritarians get to properly define that word, it seems!

In any case, to get back on topic, have you done as Lightspeed suggested OP? He's being pretty spot on there.

 

[babelfisch]

Blame The User. Standard, since at least Babbage.

I'd say there are two different issues.

1. BGS and Tick being broken. Totally Frontiers fault and they are to blame for it.

2. OP not enjoying the gameplay that could've lead to the results he might have enjoyed. If you don't like the gameplay but just the results, it's a job and not entertainment.