A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

[the100thmonkey]

So, I have this system where Im working for a change of government, at the moment controlling faction its about 33% my faction its about 44%, on the galaxy map says WAR, but in the System map the state of my faction its BOOM and the others are NONE.

Can someone clarify this for me please?

The controlling faction are in more than one system and are at war in one of their other systems, perhaps. Filter the galaxy map for war states around your position, and then check which of the surrounding systems the other faction is at war in.

 

[Saool]

For peeps recording stats to fathom things out in the new world:

- We expanded yesterday
- It was day 6 of being in expansion
- We have been pending boom for this duration and it did not trump the expansion
- We expanded to the closest system (under 5ly)
- There where 5 factions in that system before the expansion
- One was at 1%

 

[Shizuka]

So, I have this system where Im working for a change of government, at the moment controlling faction its about 33% my faction its about 44%, on the galaxy map says WAR, but in the System map the state of my faction its BOOM and the others are NONE.

Can someone clarify this for me please?

Can someone help me? its this a bug?

 

[Saool]

Can someone help me? its this a bug?

The galaxy map has a history of being unreliable. What you see in system is the real state of affairs. 11% is too large a gap to be at War to my mind.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Can someone help me? its this a bug?

The faction will be at war in another system (some states such as Boom and War apply across all their systems).
Check the local news, you should be able to find some hints as to where the war is!

 

[Szyslak22]

Within regards to Conflicts and % changes, in one of my systems prior to 2.1, two factions were in a constant state of War and None, remaining at 7.4% all the time.
Now in 2.1, they went bank into War at 7.4%, with no traffic through the system they both lost all % to hit rock bottom at 1%, both fell into retreat and have now exited.
Looks like Conflict now carries a 'cost' for entering it and doing nothing as previously stated.

In regards to Expansion, I expanded after 1 day when a conflict(War) interrupted it. My fellow Cmdr Expanded after day 3 when a conflict(election) interrupted it.
Not the 5 days as quoted by FD.

So, it took 5 days for expansion to go from pending to active for me, that was 3 days ago. Still in expansion, and anticipating it hitting day 5. Thing is, this is a population of 400m, so I'm starting to wonder if population size has anything to do with how long these things take.

I'd be interested to know the populations of those two systems which expanded Jimbeau.

Population doesn't have any effect on the duration of the expansion state, from what I've seen. jimbeau's examples agree with what we've observed so far. Conflict can interrupt active expansion state and release the expansion. If you don't interrupt the expansion state with a conflict, it will run for the full duration. This appears to be 5 - 7 days. At the end of the expansion state the faction will expand.

So clearly the fastest way to expand is to get a conflict queued up after you've been expansion pending for a few days, then have the conflict go active after the expansion is active for a day or two.

Even if you don't see it until the expansion state is active, it's still faster to start a conflict than to wait for the expansion state to end.

 

[PeachingTony]

Hi

Question for you experts on the BGS:

I found a Federation system on the border with Empire with an Empire faction present but at around 5%. It has 2 stations, 1 output and 2 planetary basis.
The biggest faction was at around 50% influence and had 1 of the stations, the 2nd biggest was at around 20% has all of the other bases - which I found odd in itself.

I did a ton of missions etc and got my adopted faction's influence up to around 20%, at which point a war started, which we won, and the faction took over the station owned by the 2nd largest faction.
At this point the largest faction was still around 50%.

A while later, I have got my Empire faction up to 45% influence, the previously largest faction is at 22% and is 2nd largest. My faction has expanded into 2 additional systems.

My question is: The 2nd largest faction still owns the 2nd station. At what point should I expect another war to commence to give my faction the chance of owning it as well?
Similarly, no war has commenced regarding ownership of the output and planetary bases, owned by 3rd largest faction now at around 15% influence. When does this happen?

Do I need to get my faction to a much higher influence or has something gone wrong, or is it by design that they can't take over any more stations?

Looking forward to your insight...

 

[Elementical]

Hi

Question for you experts on the BGS:

I found a Federation system on the border with Empire with an Empire faction present but at around 5%. It has 2 stations, 1 output and 2 planetary basis.
The biggest faction was at around 50% influence and had 1 of the stations, the 2nd biggest was at around 20% has all of the other bases - which I found odd in itself.

I did a ton of missions etc and got my adopted faction's influence up to around 20%, at which point a war started, which we won, and the faction took over the station owned by the 2nd largest faction.
At this point the largest faction was still around 50%.

A while later, I have got my Empire faction up to 45% influence, the previously largest faction is at 22% and is 2nd largest. My faction has expanded into 2 additional systems.

My question is: The 2nd largest faction still owns the 2nd station. At what point should I expect another war to commence to give my faction the chance of owning it as well?
Similarly, no war has commenced regarding ownership of the output and planetary bases, owned by 3rd largest faction now at around 15% influence. When does this happen?

Do I need to get my faction to a much higher influence or has something gone wrong, or is it by design that they can't take over any more stations?

Looking forward to your insight...

My post on triggering conflicts in another thread below might be of help to you.
You can take over as many stations are you like with a faction as long as you trigger and win conflicts. This might mean you'll need to raise the influence of an opposing faction.

To start the civil war (or any other conflict, war/election) you'll need to do either of the following

1) equalise influence of 2 factions.
2) push the faction to 60% influence or above (this will trigger conflict for control of the system if the faction at 60% doesn't already control the system)
*subject to the caveats below

You can see the detailed influence levels on the system map.

When this happens both factions will enter a pending state of conflict, you can see this on the right hand panel in the factions section. This will last for 3 days ("ticks") and on the 4th day the conflict will activate.

* If either faction is in conflict in another system this will block them from entering a 2nd conflict. A faction can only be in conflict in 1 system at a time
* Both factions are above the minimum influence conflict trigger (this doesn't apply to the 60% conflict for control trigger)

 

[the100thmonkey]

Hi

Question for you experts on the BGS:

I found a Federation system on the border with Empire with an Empire faction present but at around 5%. It has 2 stations, 1 output and 2 planetary basis.
The biggest faction was at around 50% influence and had 1 of the stations, the 2nd biggest was at around 20% has all of the other bases - which I found odd in itself.

I did a ton of missions etc and got my adopted faction's influence up to around 20%, at which point a war started, which we won, and the faction took over the station owned by the 2nd largest faction.
At this point the largest faction was still around 50%.

A while later, I have got my Empire faction up to 45% influence, the previously largest faction is at 22% and is 2nd largest. My faction has expanded into 2 additional systems.

My question is: The 2nd largest faction still owns the 2nd station. At what point should I expect another war to commence to give my faction the chance of owning it as well?
Similarly, no war has commenced regarding ownership of the output and planetary bases, owned by 3rd largest faction now at around 15% influence. When does this happen?

Do I need to get my faction to a much higher influence or has something gone wrong, or is it by design that they can't take over any more stations?

Looking forward to your insight...

If your faction has expanded, they are in control of the system, which is defined as controlling the largest and closest orbital facility to the ingress point. So if your faction has a coriolis 200ls from the primary, but the other factions have a coriolis 400ls from the primary, your faction "owns" the system.

Since your faction is in control of the system, the only way to take the stations off the other factions is to start a war with them. This is unlikely to happen if you keep pushing your faction.

If you must start a war, you should lower your faction's influence so it matches the influence of the faction you want to engage. Alternatively, you could push the faction you want to start a war with to influence parity with your faction and keep it there for a few days. Either way, it will start a conflict or an election depending on the faction types. I think Fed and Imp factions will always go to pew pew stations.

With all that said, you very probably do not want to start a conflict unnecessarily; if you own all the stations, it doesn't really help you much, if at all. Additionally, the most valuable asset of the losing party changes hands in a conflict that doesn't end in a ceasefire. This means that if you lose the war, you lose control of the system. If any other faction gets within spitting distance, they will start a war with yours for the system. No matter how many conflicts you have in that system, the result, should you lose, will be losing the system. Naturally, you don't want this to happen, so it's actually strategically a good idea to keep a second faction in the system with some stations so that any upstarts get embroiled in a conflict with them before they can get to you.

*edit*

I just realised that I misinterpreted your position. If you want to fight for the system, do as Elementical says and either push for 60% to automatically trigger a conflict, or equalise influence for a couple of ticks.

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Can someone help me? its this a bug?

See my earlier post (which you seem to have missed.)

The controlling faction are in more than one system and are at war in one of their other systems, perhaps. Filter the galaxy map for war states around your position, and then check which of the surrounding systems the other faction is at war in.

 

[goemon]

If your faction has expanded, they are in control of the system

most likely (because under normal circumstances they should go at war for faction control at 60%), but not necessary. i have seen one faction expanding without being in control. expansion = 75% influence.

 

[the100thmonkey]

The controlling faction are in more than one system and are at war in one of their other systems, perhaps. Filter the galaxy map for war states around your position, and then check which of the surrounding systems the other faction is at war in.

most likely (because under normal circumstances they should go at war for faction control at 60%), but not necessary. i have seen one faction expanding without being in control. expansion = 75% influence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support.

One instance of it is not sufficient - it's highly unusual behaviour!

 

[PeachingTony]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary support.

One instance of it is not sufficient - it's highly unusual behaviour!

My faction has expanded twice, once when influence was around 22%, once when influence is 42% (a couple of days ago).

I'll have to check on the closest orbital question as the 2 stations are very close, but the output I think is a lot closer to the primary star, so I don't think you could say that my faction is in control of the system. In station services it says 'uncontrolled' - would it say differently otherwise?

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Btw, thanks for the answers

 

[goemon]

My faction has expanded twice, once when influence was around 22%, once when influence is 42% (a couple of days ago).

you have to refer to the influence in every system they are in. states are factionwide, influence is system specific. i bet they have been above 75% in one system when expanding. could it be that they expanded to a system before 2.1. and you don't know of it? this could explain some problems.

 

[Szyslak22]

My faction has expanded twice, once when influence was around 22%, once when influence is 42% (a couple of days ago).

I'll have to check on the closest orbital question as the 2 stations are very close, but the output I think is a lot closer to the primary star, so I don't think you could say that my faction is in control of the system. In station services it says 'uncontrolled' - would it say differently otherwise?

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Btw, thanks for the answers

It's more likely that your faction is present in another system where it is over 75% influence and generating expansions. The system you found them in and decided to support them is probably just one of their previous expansion destinations.

When you look at the system map, left tab, you can see which faction is in control of the system (and most valuable station) by looking at the top information summary. It will list the faction in control, and any active state they have. Then there's a separator bar, and below is shown the actual influence levels of all the factions in the system.

The "uncontrolled" bit is referring to Power Play, not system control. It just means the system is not controlled or exploited by any powers.

 

[PeachingTony]

It's more likely that your faction is present in another system where it is over 75% influence and generating expansions. The system you found them in and decided to support them is probably just one of their previous expansion destinations.

When you look at the system map, left tab, you can see which faction is in control of the system (and most valuable station) by looking at the top information summary. It will list the faction in control, and any active state they have. Then there's a separator bar, and below is shown the actual influence levels of all the factions in the system.

The "uncontrolled" bit is referring to Power Play, not system control. It just means the system is not controlled or exploited by any powers.

Good point, yes they are around 75% or above in another system

 

[AlexRowDoudou]

Hi guys i need some help :

My faction have a retreat in pending state, so when it will occur, we will necessarily leave the system ???

And if some one know when the % trigger this ??

Thanks
Fly Safe

 

[Elementical]

Hi guys i need some help :

My faction have a retreat in pending state, so when it will occur, we will necessarily leave the system ???

And if some one know when the % trigger this ??

Thanks
Fly Safe

Retreat will be pending for 1 day, it'll then go active. Simply increase the influence of your faction above 2.5% and it should be safe. The retreat state will end and the faction will remain in the system.

 

[AlexRowDoudou]

Retreat will be pending for 1 day, it'll then go active. Simply increase the influence of your faction above 2.5% and it should be safe. The retreat state will end and the faction will remain in the system.

thank you!
but it mean it can be triggered when the faction is above that because that is the case so we have just to maintain us ? (the lowest is at 6,7%)

 

[goemon]

Expansion distance after Investment >40 ly?

i was just checking the local news at palins research center for obvious reasons, and saw that "the anthill mob" expanded from maia to cooper research/HIP 19072 - and yes, they are in that system. which makes an expansion of 40+ ly. i will head over and check whther cooper research expanded even more.

 

[Szyslak22]

thank you!
but it mean it can be triggered when the faction is above that because that is the case so we have just to maintain us ? (the lowest is at 6,7%)

It's probably being triggered by the faction in another system if the influence has been that high for a while. Retreat shouldn't go pending at 6.7% influence.