A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

[irongut]

Guys, remember that spreadsheet from some time ago, with the minimum and maximum duration of states, etc? Well, I think a part of it is wrong. My faction had a boom and an election pending. The boom triggered first but the next day the election triggered, ending the boom. However, according to that spreadsheet a boom has a minimum duration of 3 days. Maybe conflicts can end other states early (even before the alledged minimum duration)?

As well as being interrupted by higher priority states the minimum lengths in that table have always been a bit wrong. There is a long standing bug (feature now?) that means conflict states last for one extra day, so War/Civil War/Election actually have a minimum length of 4 days. It is also out of date:

• War/Civil War have a 1 day cooldown now
• Expansion has a minimum length of 5 days (unless interrupted) and a max of 6 (longest I've seen anyway)
• Boom has 1 day pending instead of 2 (assuming nothing blocks it)

I'm still gathering data on Famine and Outbreak, Lockdown and Civil Unrest rarely happen in my systems and I have never seen a Bust so can't coment on their periods.

We should probably put together an updated table between us on this thread. A state priority hierarchy would be useful too.

 

[Limoncello Lizard]

Investment seems to be a 5-6 day period as well.

 

[Jane Turner]

So my faction has gone into Lockdown now as I knew it was coming. So the question is ... what to do?
In one of my systems I control, there are Seeking Goods offers, ships with narcotics when scanned. What happens if I were to sell to these with regards to my Factions influence %?

Both expansions and war/CW/Election will break Lockdown (and Civil unrest) so if you have multiple expansions, treat this as an opportunity to take control of an asset. It can be easier to do missons for a faction other than you own and raise them to trigger a war.

 

[jimbeau1571]

As Lockdown and CivUnrest are a galatic state, I had no idea as to why and where my recent CivUnrest and now Lockdown had been triggered from. I have a vague idea, looking at my spreadsheet for the influence changes. (3 day pending period for both states. Those pending periods run concurrently, so CivUnrest ended, one day of None state, then into Lockdown the next.). I sold 400t of Narcs to the Seeking Goods, to see what effect that has, sold some Bounty in another system to see the influence effect there.

 

[Sentenza]

As Lockdown and CivUnrest are a galatic state, I had no idea as to why and where my recent CivUnrest and now Lockdown had been triggered from. I have a vague idea, looking at my spreadsheet for the influence changes. (3 day pending period for both states. Those pending periods run concurrently, so CivUnrest ended, one day of None state, then into Lockdown the next.). I sold 400t of Narcs to the Seeking Goods, to see what effect that has, sold some Bounty in another system to see the influence effect there.

Both civil unrest and lockdown should be caused by lots of murders. But that also should leave a trace in the system where it happened with an influence loss, unless it was spread in all systems...

 

[Jane Turner]

As Lockdown and CivUnrest are a galatic state, I had no idea as to why and where my recent CivUnrest and now Lockdown had been triggered from. I have a vague idea, looking at my spreadsheet for the influence changes. (3 day pending period for both states. Those pending periods run concurrently, so CivUnrest ended, one day of None state, then into Lockdown the next.). I sold 400t of Narcs to the Seeking Goods, to see what effect that has, sold some Bounty in another system to see the influence effect there.

Murder should show on your bounty board. If its fines you will have to wait a week.

 

[jimbeau1571]

Murder should show on your bounty board. If its fines you will have to wait a week.

It isn't me conducting the murder or fines. Its my faction in Lockdown, and hence the systems I control. And with no major % change in any system I control or have a presence in it is hard to discern where the indiscretions against me were made. Thus I am just trying to find the quickest way to remove the Lockdown, if that is possible.

 

[Sentenza]

It isn't me conducting the murder or fines. Its my faction in Lockdown, and hence the systems I control. And with no major % change in any system I control or have a presence in it is hard to discern where the indiscretions against me were made. Thus I am just trying to find the quickest way to remove the Lockdown, if that is possible.

Unless you have massive bounty hunting capability, the quickest way is triggering a war.

 

[Jane Turner]

It isn't me conducting the murder or fines. Its my faction in Lockdown, and hence the systems I control. And with no major % change in any system I control or have a presence in it is hard to discern where the indiscretions against me were made. Thus I am just trying to find the quickest way to remove the Lockdown, if that is possible.

Which is why I said you will be reliant on your bounty board if you want to get to the bottom of a cause.

 

[jimbeau1571]

Which is why I said you will be reliant on your bounty board if you want to get to the bottom of a cause.

Unfortunately, being it a week since it went pending those Bounty reports while being pointed are too old. The culprit has been and gone by now. I'm not entirely sure it was a concerted effort to screw me either really as the % didn't take a plunge in any one system repeatedly. I'd need to trawl through 8 systems looking on the news feed to find out where it was conducted. Frankly I can't be bothered as it's a week old haha

 

[Jane Turner]

If I were you I'd look on is as compelling reason to take the outpost you never had time to. Lockdown used to be a proper PITA, now its just an opportunity and incentive to gain some real estate

 

[CMDR pollycough]

Hi folks.
I tested the lockdown state in a system that i know nothing moves.
Pop 3705 the faction was at 6.6% and I completed 3 missions for them. they went up to 13.3%, a rise of 6.7. The other factions went down relevant to their standing in the system.

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Reference War & pending war. Our faction was in a war and I tried to get them past the ruling faction while still in war.
Day 3 of the war we equalled them exactly and a pending state was observed for that faction only, Strange to see only one faction in a state of pending war. Our war ended today and we are now showing pending with them.

 

[Sentenza]

Hi folks.
I tested the lockdown state in a system that i know nothing moves.
Pop 3705 the faction was at 6.6% and I completed 3 missions for them. they went up to 13.3%, a rise of 6.7. The other factions went down relevant to their standing in the system.

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Reference War & pending war. Our faction was in a war and I tried to get them past the ruling faction while still in war.
Day 3 of the war we equalled them exactly and a pending state was observed for that faction only, Strange to see only one faction in a state of pending war. Our war ended today and we are now showing pending with them.

Well this is really strange!

 

[CMDR pollycough]

Well this is really strange!

I am going to test it again for the duration of the LD.

 

[Gemai]

Lockdowns block the owned stations, not the faction. That is no secret on our end. But I guess it hasn't been common knowledge. So if a faction doesn't own all stations in a system, a lockdown is a joke.

 

[jimbeau1571]

Hi folks.
I tested the lockdown state in a system that i know nothing moves.
Pop 3705 the faction was at 6.6% and I completed 3 missions for them. they went up to 13.3%, a rise of 6.7. The other factions went down relevant to their standing in the system.

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Reference War & pending war. Our faction was in a war and I tried to get them past the ruling faction while still in war.
Day 3 of the war we equalled them exactly and a pending state was observed for that faction only, Strange to see only one faction in a state of pending war. Our war ended today and we are now showing pending with them.

Further to your observations, my Lockdown ended after 1 tick. I am now in Election in a system which has removed the Lockdown, and I had no Election pending in my status to let me know this was coming.

A fellow Cmdr said he noticed I was pending the other day. I have missed it. And jumped the gun. Stand down folks, its all ok

 

[Sentenza]

Lockdowns block the owned stations, not the faction. That is no secret on our end. But I guess it hasn't been common knowledge. So if a faction doesn't own all stations in a system, a lockdown is a joke.

Devs explicitly stated that lockdown blocks all actions for the faction.

 

[_trent_]

Further to your observations, my Lockdown ended after 1 tick. I am now in Election in a system which has removed the Lockdown, and I had no Election pending in my status to let me know this was coming.

A fellow Cmdr said he noticed I was pending the other day. I have missed it. And jumped the gun. Stand down folks, its all ok

One of our rival factions also had a lockdown that lasted for just one tick. I am wondering if they shortened the minimum duration from 3 days to 1 after one of the CGs was put into lockdown by the actions of some players a while back.

 

[jimbeau1571]

Devs explicitly stated that lockdown blocks all actions for the faction.

They have been wrong before.

 

[Sentenza]

They have been wrong before.

Or it might have been changed later. I would not be surprised

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One of our rival factions also had a lockdown that lasted for just one tick. I am wondering if they shortened the minimum duration from 3 days to 1 after one of the CGs was put into lockdown by the actions of some players a while back.

I think I remember that. If we are talking about the same occurrence, it may be more likely due to FD messing - they forgot to clear the factions for the games CGs and had to patch it up...