A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

Patau82 · Oct 22, 2016

Might have found a 'new' rule to expansion
the rule "Expansion occurs from first system to reach 75% if faction has more then one system at 75%"
Looks like it might actually be "Expansion occurs from first system to reach 75% that can successfully expand"
Just had the situation where system A and B are at 75% when expansion goes pending
system A reached 75% first but has no systems within 20ly to expand to
system B reached 75% second but has systems within 20ly it can expand to
Expansion ended and we expanded from system B
Should be able to repeat this soon and test to see if this is correct

Gemai · Oct 22, 2016

Patau82 said:
"Expansion occurs from first system to reach 70% if faction has more then one system at 70%"

75%. 70% does not start the pending, so you might just have gotten the wrong actual order here.

jimbeau1571 said:
Kind of lost as to why you posted this now, seeing as you have 2 theories left but won't openly tell anyone what they are and how they work and give them the chance to test and help.

One can't even laud you without getting another . You do realize I mentioned the involvement - and for the second case also present - Horizon System part of the double expansion?

I also mentioned the cutting short part?

Both clearly are part of my theories, so text analysis might not be your forte.

Patau82 · Oct 22, 2016

Gemai said:
75%. 70% does not start the pending, so you might just have gotten the wrong actual order here.

ah no just me making mistake when typing was 75%, happened twice now first time I decided I must have made a mistake but this time was sure System A hit 75% first
will test again soon

Gemai · Oct 22, 2016

If it was a typo of the %, alright.

Well we just go the secure route - to also prevent needless overextension - and only push the wanted systems over 70% to 75%. All others are left between 60-70% for maintenance. Which I would propose for anyone interested in steering expansions proper.

Let's see what others find in this regard then. Might be interesting to finally understand the priority mechanic.

jimbeau1571 · Oct 22, 2016

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Famine and Outbreak.
Above is 4 systems, and the factions in those systems. Fac A is mine, and controls all the systems and assets in those systems.
None of the factions listed extend beyond these 4 systems other than mine.
Current theory has it that factions rotate through Famine-Outbreak-Famine-Outbreak etc, and on evidence this seems reasonable (only Fac D have displayed such function in this month above). Also Fac H last came out of a Fam/Out on the 6 Sep, and it was Outbreak and so that theory looks good. But what is driving this cycle or not driving it.
This is where for me it gets interesting.
And its about filling buckets apparently.
Obviously B&C are excluded from observation, as they are in War. Fac A is not worth looking at, its mine and is never in Fam/Out.
Fac E is a fellow Cmdrs and the same applies to this as Fac A.
Fac F went into Famine on 12 Sep, exited on 25 Sep, both systems suffering a % drop during, and since with no rise. And yet hasn't gone into Outbreak.
Similarly, Fac H dropped out of Outbreak on 6 Sep, drop % down to 11% in one system and dropped % down to 9.7% in the other and yet entered Famine on the 11 Oct.
Fac D left Famine due to Election on the 6 Oct and yet was in Outbreak on the 22 Oct. So it would appear that some Factions have different sized buckets from others if it is down to player activity alone. Are Famine and Outbreak buckets separate?
It doesn't look like Election does much in the way of halving the bucket in the case of Fac D.

The only thing I can say positively, I have never seen Famine and Outbreak closely follow a Boom or Expansion period.

irongut · Oct 22, 2016

jimbeau1571 said:
The third change - Investment state added. So if you Expansion fails, youll enter Investment and go longer. I don't know of anyone hitting this state in the bubble yet.

Canonn. Varati may be on the edge of the bubble but it is still in it and Canonn have used Investment to expand several times.

irongut · Oct 22, 2016

jimbeau1571 said:
Famine and Outbreak.
Above is 4 systems, and the factions in those systems. Fac A is mine, and controls all the systems and assets in those systems.
None of the factions listed extend beyond these 4 systems other than mine.
Current theory has it that factions rotate through Famine-Outbreak-Famine-Outbreak etc, and on evidence this seems reasonable (only Fac D have displayed such function in this month above). Also Fac H last came out of a Fam/Out on the 6 Sep, and it was Outbreak and so that theory looks good. But what is driving this cycle or not driving it.
This is where for me it gets interesting.
And its about filling buckets apparently.
Obviously B&C are excluded from observation, as they are in War. Fac A is not worth looking at, its mine and is never in Fam/Out.
Fac E is a fellow Cmdrs and the same applies to this as Fac A.
Fac F went into Famine on 12 Sep, exited on 25 Sep, both systems suffering a % drop during, and since with no rise. And yet hasn't gone into Outbreak.
Similarly, Fac H dropped out of Outbreak on 6 Sep, drop % down to 11% in one system and dropped % down to 9.7% in the other and yet entered Famine on the 11 Oct.
Fac D left Famine due to Election on the 6 Oct and yet was in Outbreak on the 22 Oct. So it would appear that some Factions have different sized buckets from others if it is down to player activity alone. Are Famine and Outbreak buckets separate?
It doesn't look like Election does much in the way of halving the bucket in the case of Fac D.

The only thing I can say positively, I have never seen Famine and Outbreak closely follow a Boom or Expansion period.

I've seen cycles of Famine and Outbreak as well, I agree they never happen to a faction that goes through Boom states. The Weekly Economic Reports state:

When a faction experiences a boom, the wealth of the system it controls temporarily increases

I would suggest that Boom also resets the buckets for Famine and Outbreak.

jimbeau1571 · Oct 22, 2016

irongut said:
Canonn. Varati may be on the edge of the bubble but it is still in it and Canonn have used Investment to expand several times.

Well at least we know it works then

Gemai · Oct 22, 2016

The PCI of Pand near Manite did the same to reach outer areas with investment. It works rather well.

SaliVader · Oct 23, 2016

jimbeau1571 said:
Well at least we know it works then

My faction also went through an investment state for a week (which by the way doesn't prevent elections/war, it's the only way to have 2 states active at once). Today the enhanced expansion started, we'll see how it goes.

goemon · Oct 23, 2016

jimbeau1571 said:
Fac D left Famine due to Election on the 6 Oct and yet was in Outbreak on the 22 Oct. So it would appear that some Factions have different sized buckets from others if it is down to player activity alone. Are Famine and Outbreak buckets separate?

famine and outbreaks buckets haven been mentioned by FDEV as seperate buckets, so i think it is save to assume they are seperate buckets.

some goverment types are known to influence security level - maybe they do the same for wealth, tech or health level?

irongut said:
I would suggest that Boom also resets the buckets for Famine and Outbreak.

outbreak and famine buckets are especially mentioned in the dev update from beginning of this year: while all state buckets get emptied, if any state goes active, outbreak and famine buckets only get halfed.

jimbeau1571 · Oct 23, 2016

goemon said:
famine and outbreaks buckets haven been mentioned by FDEV as seperate buckets, so i think it is save to assume they are seperate buckets.

some goverment types are known to influence security level - maybe they do the same for wealth, tech or health level?

outbreak and famine buckets are especially mentioned in the dev update from beginning of this year: while all state buckets get emptied, if any state goes active, outbreak and famine buckets only get halfed.

So bearing mind that the Fac previously mentioned went from Famine to Election to None to Election and then almost straight into Outbreak, all inside 21 days, that's one small Outbreak bucket.
Something else must at play here.

Schlack · Oct 23, 2016

I'm beginning to think that not all states have been created equal!

jimbeau1571 · Oct 23, 2016

Schlack said:
I'm beginning to think that not all states have been created equal!

And the buckets that go with them too

Soon(TM) · Oct 23, 2016

jimbeau1571 said:
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Famine and Outbreak.
Above is 4 systems, and the factions in those systems. Fac A is mine, and controls all the systems and assets in those systems.
None of the factions listed extend beyond these 4 systems other than mine.
Current theory has it that factions rotate through Famine-Outbreak-Famine-Outbreak etc, and on evidence this seems reasonable (only Fac D have displayed such function in this month above). Also Fac H last came out of a Fam/Out on the 6 Sep, and it was Outbreak and so that theory looks good. But what is driving this cycle or not driving it.
This is where for me it gets interesting.
And its about filling buckets apparently.
Obviously B&C are excluded from observation, as they are in War. Fac A is not worth looking at, its mine and is never in Fam/Out.
Fac E is a fellow Cmdrs and the same applies to this as Fac A.
Fac F went into Famine on 12 Sep, exited on 25 Sep, both systems suffering a % drop during, and since with no rise. And yet hasn't gone into Outbreak.
Similarly, Fac H dropped out of Outbreak on 6 Sep, drop % down to 11% in one system and dropped % down to 9.7% in the other and yet entered Famine on the 11 Oct.
Fac D left Famine due to Election on the 6 Oct and yet was in Outbreak on the 22 Oct. So it would appear that some Factions have different sized buckets from others if it is down to player activity alone. Are Famine and Outbreak buckets separate?
It doesn't look like Election does much in the way of halving the bucket in the case of Fac D.

The only thing I can say positively, I have never seen Famine and Outbreak closely follow a Boom or Expansion period.

More time playing the game, less time making spreadsheets!

It's a GAME!

SaliVader · Oct 24, 2016

Hey guys, so I found this regarding expansion range:

QA-Donny said:
Hi there,

Thanks for your report. Have you checked other systems within 50 LY? As I'm seeing the faction having a presence in 4 systems.

Kind Regards,
//Donny

So according to this, the expansion range is 50lys. However, this was before 2.1 and the addition of the retreat and investment states. You guys know if this has changed (or if it was ever true at all)? How much does the investment state increase the expansion's range?

Gemai · Oct 24, 2016

20 ly sub-investment is confirmed. Maybe it goes to 25 ly. In that case doubling it with investment to 50 ly range seems plausible.

CMDR pollycough · Oct 24, 2016

We had an expansion after 3 days (interrupted by war) to 25.38LY on Saturdays tick.

Limoncello Lizard · Oct 24, 2016

The Gyvatices system, where the current CG is at, is interesting. The system has become anarchy, yet it's still firmly controlled by Imp Corporate. I suspect it is a new thing for CGs only, to stop the system from being forced into lockdown.

jimbeau1571 · Oct 24, 2016

Limoncello Lizard said:
The Gyvatices system, where the current CG is at, is interesting. The system has become anarchy, yet it's still firmly controlled by Imp Corporate. I suspect it is a new thing for CGs only, to stop the system from being forced into lockdown.

Probably spot on with that one after the issues of Lockdown previously. Unfortunately, now no Security Forces to assist then I assume.