A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

Abil Midena

Abil Midena
I realize CZ's sometimes disappear, but has anyone noticed BGS influence 'weirdness' after they disappear/reappear?

I'm working a huge pop (6.5B) system that has shown no opposition to what I've been doing for the last 30 days, and now that the war has started, things are don't seem right.

Here's the 3 days of activity...that activity should have an impact on the next day, since I record actions only between the ticks. So I list stuff I did Day 1, and that should result in inf change on day two. Here's what I am seeing...Faction A is controlling faction:

Day 1 (war state now active) Faction A 33.8 Faction B 41.3. Action: 0.7M in combat bonds for Faction B. This is the day CZ's spawned, but then 3 hrs later, disappeared.
Result at next tick: Faction A up 0.8 %, Faction B down 2.1%
After the tick, the CZ's spawned again.

Day 2 Faction A 34.6 Faction B 39.2. Action: 8M in combat bonds and 4 'kill enemy ships' missions.
Result at next tick: Faction A down 0.4 %, Faction B up 0.7%

Day 3 Faction A 34.2 Faction B 39.9. Action: 14M in combat bonds and 10 'kill enemy ships' missions.
Result at next tick: Faction A up 0.7 %, Faction B down 2.6%

This day 3 tick has me confused and I just don't get it. If someone has decided, all of the sudden, to work for the Faction A, why isn't that going up more? Commander traffic and bounties have been small each day in the news feed, on the order ~50 commanders and bounty claims of less than 1M.

It almost looks like the war bonds are not counting, but the bounties from res farming are. Could that happen? Has anyone seen something like that before?

edit* Also interesting is that the 'best sellers' lists 'Imperial Slaves', yet only one station in the system has a commodities market, and they don't buy/sell imp slaves, and the black market is 'disabled'. How are impis 'best sellers'???

Numbers, FWIW...Faction A first col, Faction B second col:
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goemon

goemon
Abil Midena said:
I realize CZ's sometimes disappear, but has anyone noticed BGS influence 'weirdness' after they disappear/reappear?

I'm working a huge pop (6.5B) system that has shown no opposition to what I've been doing for the last 30 days, and now that the war has started, things are don't seem right.

Here's the 3 days of activity...that activity should have an impact on the next day, since I record actions only between the ticks. So I list stuff I did Day 1, and that should result in inf change on day two. Here's what I am seeing...Faction A is controlling faction:

Day 1 (war state now active) Faction A 33.8 Faction B 41.3. Action: 0.7M in combat bonds for Faction B. This is the day CZ's spawned, but then 3 hrs later, disappeared.
Result at next tick: Faction A up 0.8 %, Faction B down 2.1%
After the tick, the CZ's spawned again.

Day 2 Faction A 34.6 Faction B 39.2. Action: 8M in combat bonds and 4 'kill enemy ships' missions.
Result at next tick: Faction A down 0.4 %, Faction B up 0.7%

Day 3 Faction A 34.2 Faction B 39.9. Action: 14M in combat bonds and 10 'kill enemy ships' missions.
Result at next tick: Faction A up 0.7 %, Faction B down 2.6%

This day 3 tick has me confused and I just don't get it. If someone has decided, all of the sudden, to work for the Faction A, why isn't that going up more? Commander traffic and bounties have been small each day in the news feed, on the order ~50 commanders and bounty claims of less than 1M.

It almost looks like the war bonds are not counting, but the bounties from res farming are. Could that happen? Has anyone seen something like that before?

edit* Also interesting is that the 'best sellers' lists 'Imperial Slaves', yet only one station in the system has a commodities market, and they don't buy/sell imp slaves, and the black market is 'disabled'. How are impis 'best sellers'???

Numbers, FWIW...Faction A first col, Faction B second col:
http://i.imgur.com/pxBpzI6.jpg
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concerning your day 3 - it would be the usual effect, if other factions (in boom?) win influence overall via missions or similar, while faction a only wins influence from faction b.

as for best sellers - i'm not sure how regularly that updates, but i have seen some bestsellers with MAs at station wre we sold it when barnacles where just in the game... those stations don#t see a lot of traffic. could also be an effect of smuugling missions, if that system is a destination for them.
 

Abil Midena

Abil Midena
goemon said:
concerning your day 3 - it would be the usual effect, if other factions (in boom?) win influence overall via missions or similar, while faction a only wins influence from faction b.

as for best sellers - i'm not sure how regularly that updates, but i have seen some bestsellers with MAs at station wre we sold it when barnacles where just in the game... those stations don#t see a lot of traffic. could also be an effect of smuugling missions, if that system is a destination for them.
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I've been doing ~ 20 missions for a 1.5-2% inf increase, now all of the sudden, 10 'kill x ships' missions and 14M in bonds isn't enough? I go down 2.6%? I don't buy that. Not saying you're wrong, just that I can't believe that is what is happening.
 

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Abil Midena said:
I've been doing ~ 20 missions for a 1.5-2% inf increase, now all of the sudden, 10 'kill x ships' missions and 14M in bonds isn't enough? I go down 2.6%? I don't buy that. Not saying you're wrong, just that I can't believe that is what is happening.
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You might have to start keeping note of traffic reports. The explanation could be as easy as someone who enjoys combat, stopping in to farm the CZs.
 
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Abil Midena said:
Could be, but then why isn't Faction A inf moving more and in some sorta close amount to Faction B going down?
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CZ's are an excellent way to farm both rep and cash. Perhaps they are working both factions? Doubly so if there are massacres being handed out somewhere.
 

Limoncello Lizard

Limoncello Lizard
vindelanos said:
You might have to start keeping note of traffic reports. The explanation could be as easy as someone who enjoys combat, stopping in to farm the CZs.
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Someone doing nothing but farming the CZ in a system won't actually show up on the traffic report. I'm pretty sure you have to leave the system to be displayed on the traffic report.
 

Abil Midena

Abil Midena
However this shakes out, it will probably be the last of my efforts to push minor factions. It forced me to realize and accept that if you’re playing a game where you can lose to someone that doesn’t even know they’re playing the game, it’s time to find a different game.

Unfortunately, playing the minor faction/bgs game was all that was keeping me interested in ED, so the writing is on the wall for me.
 

CMDR pollycough

CMDR pollycough
Abil Midena said:
However this shakes out, it will probably be the last of my efforts to push minor factions. It forced me to realize and accept that if you’re playing a game where you can lose to someone that doesn’t even know they’re playing the game, it’s time to find a different game.

Unfortunately, playing the minor faction/bgs game was all that was keeping me interested in ED, so the writing is on the wall for me.
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It would be a pity.
You will be welcome with us. We are at least in a certain amount of PvP via the BGS
 

Johnny Cyclops

Johnny Cyclops
Daily ticks getting later? Seem to be happening around 20.30 GMT the past few days, but was two hours earlier a few weeks ago. Seems to slip later by 5-10 mins per day. Apols if asked prev on this thread.

EDIT : Seemed to be around 20.45 GMT this evening (Sun 12th Feb).
 
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Abil Midena said:
However this shakes out, it will probably be the last of my efforts to push minor factions. It forced me to realize and accept that if you’re playing a game where you can lose to someone that doesn’t even know they’re playing the game, it’s time to find a different game.

Unfortunately, playing the minor faction/bgs game was all that was keeping me interested in ED, so the writing is on the wall for me.
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That's a shame, there is a lot of this game to enjoy beyond pushing minor factions.
 

Abil Midena

Abil Midena
vindelanos said:
That's a shame, there is a lot of this game to enjoy beyond pushing minor factions.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have done most, if not all, of it. No complaints really.

We had a massive inf swing on today's tick. Faction A gained 3.3 %, and we lost (shocker!) 3.3%. Although the newsfeed hasn't caught on yet, the War is over with Faction A now 4.2% above Faction B. Since there was no indication of ANY Fed support for the 3+ weeks prior to the war starting, I'm going with Fed rank pew pew grinders being the cause. Why they have not tried to gain rank by doing missions, I will never know.

Anyway, time for a long break from ED. Good luck BGS'ers!
 

Limoncello Lizard

Limoncello Lizard
Abil Midena said:
We had a massive inf swing on today's tick. Faction A gained 3.3 %, and we lost (shocker!) 3.3%. Although the newsfeed hasn't caught on yet, the War is over with Faction A now 4.2% above Faction B. Since there was no indication of ANY Fed support for the 3+ weeks prior to the war starting, I'm going with Fed rank pew pew grinders being the cause.
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This is a concern. I've noticed a lot of systems getting turned Federal because of the current massacre mission exploit.
It's going to turn the bubble into a very boring place.

I'm wondering if the only way to win a war in popular Fed space is to start several nearby wars with Fed factions in throwaway systems.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Just putting a factoid out there.

It's hard to tell if I'm facing heavy resistance or not at the moment, if I am, it's indirect (only taking from my faction and distributing across all). But I had a crack testing to see if transactional exploration data was a thing, sold over 100 reports individually, which would normally be a massive boost to influence... but my faction dropped from 46% to 42%. Possibly not just trading transactional effects?

On the massive swings and pew pew fed rank / kill mission stackers... I find that if you can, schedule wars to avoid weekends. When I had a similar thing (over 20 additional pilots in system causing a drop in my faction of 11% per day), it only lasted Fri/Sat/Sun... monday I got gains back and Tuesday I clawed back enough to still win the war.
 
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Limoncello Lizard

Limoncello Lizard
Jmanis said:
On the massive swings and pew pew fed rank / kill mission stackers... I find that if you can, schedule wars to avoid weekends. When I had a similar thing (over 20 additional pilots in system causing a drop in my faction of 11% per day), it only lasted Fri/Sat/Sun... monday I got gains back and Tuesday I clawed back enough to still win the war.
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You, Sir, are a genius.
 

oRZACK

oRZACK
hi there i have a question...

my faction took a system with Feds control and we are independents.... but in galmap still appears that the system is federal..... the map is updated with bgs or not ?
 

_trent_

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oRZACK said:
hi there i have a question...

my faction took a system with Feds control and we are independents.... but in galmap still appears that the system is federal..... the map is updated with bgs or not ?
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Not everything seems to update properly when systems flip from one type to another. One example we've seen is that goods prohibited by the deposed faction still show as illicit when you start the jump sequence even though the new controlling faction accepts them (and they don't show as illicit when you arrive in the system.) One of our systems still shows tobacco as illicit on the HUD when you are about to jump there, even though it's been under our control for several months. We've also seen nearby systems taken over by Federal Democracy factions that continue to sell fed-prohibited goods, including Imperial (and regular) Slaves, narcotics, etc.
 
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