A potentially great game ruined by spite, incompetence and mediocre performance and poor AA

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Try looking for the positives instead of focusing on the negatives. That doesn't mean ignore the negatives, just stop making things a bigger problem than they really are FCOL.

EDIT: Also, I fully expect every one of you who refund, to close your forum account as well and never show your faces in this community again.

Thing is negatives have much more impact on your satisfaction than positives. When in restaurant you won't praise your steak being cooked exactly to your liking, with salad and fries, along with good beverage of your choice when it has a little bit too much salt on it. I bet you won't praise meat quality but focus on that salt. Well, it's still edible, provides enough nutrients and will keep you satied for the rest of the day - focus on positives, right? Then you get to pay th efull price for the meal that leaves the bad taste in your mouth.



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I've been here, on this forum, longer than 99% of the current membership. I've seen Frontier change over the years. I have a much better idea of how Frontier operate than you (probably, I'm speculating here). And yet, I'm also a nobody to Frontier. They won't listen to me. What makes you think they'll listen to you?

Stop focusing on the negatives. Yes talk about them, that alone will bring to them Frontier's attention. But look for positives as well. It is not a dumpster fire, not at all.

Fact, they won't listen to you. They won't listen to me. They won't even listgen to the guy over there. But if we stand together and say the same: you screwed up, maybe then they'll listen. I agree that we should see both sides of the coin but focusing on positives is a dead end.

If you focus on positives and neglect vocing concern about negatives or dillute negatives with positive feedback the general feedback is at least average. The devs get mixed reviews and they may decide it's not a big deal with bugs etc. since people generally enjoy. So therewon't be pressure to quckly fix or alter stuff.

While if there's massive backlash then the message is clear - you tried and failed, we are dissatisfied and it won't change unless you fix it.
 
While if there's massive backlash then the message is clear - you tried and failed, we are dissatisfied and it won't change unless you fix it.
Reminds me of Paradox. For 3 years they released cash grab for DLC to milk the playerbase. Mixed reviews, negative... They don't give a care in the world. Heck, at one point even the CEO came and said "f** you, DLC are good" (paraphrasing). Suddenly, for 2020, they lost money. And suddenly they make an official apology for all the trash dlc they made for the past 3 years.

To give them some credit, it's very difficult to see the feedback when you have your eyes on your wallet all the time.
 
Every single game developer cares about Steam reviews because they can have a fairly substantial impact on sales and revenue.

Steam reviews are actually incredibly useful if you know how to read them. I've found a ton a great games that I wouldn't have otherwise with Steam reviews (and avoided a few turds as well)
Steam is not the majority of the players. The platforms are split between Steam, Frontier, Playstation and XBox.
Nearly everyone who has already bought Odyssey will keep it. Of those who have refunded, most of those will buy it again at some point.

Game dev companies, do not care about Steam reviews.
 
Seriously, I'm not being a white knight here, but ....
If the shoe fits ...


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When ever a conversations starts "I am not X, but ..." it means you are, or, you lack the ability to converse in a manner that isn't so provocative. Either way, calm down - you are not the authority on ED (neither am I) and people are allowed to express their opinions. If the majority of people are complaining about EDO, and you don't agree, that's good for you, but doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are unhappy with EDO. By expressing their displeasure FDEV can do one of a few things - ignore it, double-down, or fix it. Time will tell.
 
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Steam is not the majority of the players. The platforms are split between Steam, Frontier, Playstation and XBox.
Nearly everyone who has already bought Odyssey will keep it. Of those who have refunded, most of those will buy it again at some point.

Game dev companies, do not care about Steam reviews.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Steam represents the vast majority of PC sales and developers absolutely care about steam reviews. There are literally companies that bonus development teams based on steam/metacritic/etc reviews.

What's next - are you going to tell me that companies don't care about their Amazon product reviews?

This board..... lol
 
Steam reviews? You really think anyone cares about Steam reviews?
I never listen to movie critics ... except one, Mark Kermode. If he hates a movie, I know I'm going to like it. If he likes a movie, I know I'm going to hate it.

Never listen to reviews, esp on Steam

Frontier are the most sensitive to steam reviews. Do you remember back in 2016 when frontier tore down their own game and removed ship progression from the elite experience because steam reviews? Were they just plan mad to put the one progression system that made sense to old and new players and just turn it off, elite can't have this any more? Madness? Drugs? No steam reviews.

Im honestly glad steam is in the read and there is so much talk about refunds there. As you mention, white knights and skeptics are just nothing but buckets players they have. The forums are pointless. The degree they lied about valuing player feedback closer to kickstarter was maddening. But steam reviews and financial results at least still can direct their aloof random development to action, so hopefully someone will (at least for odysee) hold them to make a better game.

The best perspective to take is from a player, and a player who loves the game. Being a frontier apologist seems like a very niche source of joy, or you're a significant shareholder. If you love the game, you only care about the game. That's it.

ps. Okay, if the game was perfect always we might be wealthy and could become white knights, but its very poor and desolate here to do that.
 
You have no idea what you are talking about. Steam represents the vast majority of PC sales and developers absolutely care about steam reviews. There are literally companies that bonus development teams based on steam/metacritic/etc reviews.

What's next - are you going to tell me that companies don't care about their Amazon product reviews?

This board..... lol

I am not sure you know what you are talking about. The vast majority of sales form FD point of view of the Epic give away, they got paid for that, and added a few million PC acounts.

Cheers
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At this point, after all the negativity from people who simply have no idea how businesses work, if I was Frontier, I would probably say something like "If that's the gratitude we're going to get for three years hard work and improvements, having to cope with the difficulties Covid forced upon us .... if that's how you all feel, I guess we'll call it a day for Elite." And call up Amazon and shut down the servers.

Seriously, I'm not being a white knight here, but it's getting ridiculous. If you redecorated someone's house, and they paid you for it. Then you had to put up with constant, non-stop hate and criticism about EVERYTHING .... how long would it take for you to lose it and tell them to get lost? (that's me being polite and trying to stay within the forum rules).

I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that 98% of the player-base can simply get lost and play Star Citizen, X4, No Man's Sky, Dual Universe, Space Engineers, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Fortnite, Doom, Days Gone ..... basically ANY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE, because it seems no matter what Frontier does you won't ever be happy.

Try looking for the positives instead of focusing on the negatives. That doesn't mean ignore the negatives, just stop making things a bigger problem than they really are FCOL.

EDIT: Also, I fully expect every one of you who refund, to close your forum account as well and never show your faces in this community again.
The criticism this release is receiving is valid though.

Frontier didn't hand this DLC out for free, people paid a lot of money for it, waited a very long time for it, and expect the game to work functionally at least at the basic level. And Frontier has a looooong track record of screwing that up (and applying mind-bendingly nonsensical fixes to the problems).

If you can't sympathize with experience players being frustrated at this, Imagine being a new player - trying to explore this game with all of the ridiculous functionality bugs people have been reporting.
 
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Sure, covid, other impediments but explain one thing to me.. how can the released product, that we were told is a more advanced build, be worse then Alpha phase 4? It looks worse, runs worse, and things that worked don't work any more. Last night I rage ALT+F4'd, when I couldn't do 4 jumps to Deciat. Infinite jump tunnel. Do you know when I had that last? In 2016!

Every single thing that was reported from the alpha as bug is still present, the most glaring issues seemingly haven't been fixed, instead we got an even worse planetary tech, the beige doom from Horizons is back, and performance is even more down the drain. Looking at the fumes from a landing pad HALVES the fps why the effect is on screen.

Can this be fixed? Maybe, probably. I waited 6 years for them to fix multiplayer instancing, maybe I have to stop holding my breath now.
 
Steam is not the majority of the players. The platforms are split between Steam, Frontier, Playstation and XBox.
Nearly everyone who has already bought Odyssey will keep it. Of those who have refunded, most of those will buy it again at some point.

Game dev companies, do not care about Steam reviews.

Steam is the largest digital storefront and the only one on PC that Odyssey is available on that has a solid review system.

Game Devs absolutely do care about their steam reviews.

I think you are too far down the rabbit hole.
 
At this point, after all the negativity from people who simply have no idea how businesses work, if I was Frontier, I would probably say something like "If that's the gratitude we're going to get for three years hard work and improvements, having to cope with the difficulties Covid forced upon us .... if that's how you all feel, I guess we'll call it a day for Elite." And call up Amazon and shut down the servers.

Seriously, I'm not being a white knight here, but it's getting ridiculous. If you redecorated someone's house, and they paid you for it. Then you had to put up with constant, non-stop hate and criticism about EVERYTHING .... how long would it take for you to lose it and tell them to get lost? (that's me being polite and trying to stay within the forum rules).

I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that 98% of the player-base can simply get lost and play Star Citizen, X4, No Man's Sky, Dual Universe, Space Engineers, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Fortnite, Doom, Days Gone ..... basically ANY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE, because it seems no matter what Frontier does you won't ever be happy.

Try looking for the positives instead of focusing on the negatives. That doesn't mean ignore the negatives, just stop making things a bigger problem than they really are FCOL.

EDIT: Also, I fully expect every one of you who refund, to close your forum account as well and never show your faces in this community again.
Absolutely. This 100%. I'm not saying the odyssey is great in all regards, but I am finding it playable and enjoyable. It's obvious it still needs significant improvements in many areas, and I'm also disappointed with some of the UI changes. However, many of the attitudes on here are, well... being a polite as I feel the need to be, you've put it better than I probably could.
 
I really try to like odyssey, but the performance issues are just so bad that i don't even want to land on planets anymore (and i love exploring), the ground combat is especially bad which drops my fps to 15-25, which isn't playable atall anymore, and I'm above the recommended specs aswell.

If they fix that and the bugs/glitches it could be a great dlc, but right now it feels like it's still in alpha.
 
Well you have to ask yourself, do you feel respected as a paying customer
I've seen it with all companies which are publicly traded. The customers stop being a focus, pleasing the shareholders becomes a top priority. And I am sure many of you remember the times when seeing the "Activision" or "Electronic Arts" logo on the screen meant a good game. I do. And now what? They are symbol of universal hate, ruin their titles with predatory things like lootboxes and other casino mechanics in full-paid titles, premium currencies... Oh wait, ARX you say? 😂
News flash. Consumers don't want something that's a dumpster fire that they paid money for. We saw this happen with No Man's Sky launch. We saw this happen with CP2077 launch.
Then why don't you learn, and stop pre-ordering and playing on release? This cycle won't stop until we as customers put a stop to it. Unfortunately, people are sooo keen to part with their money on a wild goose chase, that is not going to happen. Look at Scam Citizen if you need examples. As for CP it wasn't that bad as people made it out to be, played 50 hrs of it before I got bored with it. I will return to it sometime, maybe. It was simply overhyped - and this is exactly what is happening here. Odyssey was overhyped and underdelivered. I'd say a standard release, consistent with the track record. When I look back at my 5-years-younger self who was overjoyed when Horizons released... I could save myself so much disappointment and lost hope :D

Also, don't play on release. It's bad for you. Seriously. Unless you are doing it with a group of passionate friends - there's really no point. Nowadays software project, esp. games are really huge, and will be bug-ridden. What you see now is AFTER QA and a fixing pass or two. But you simply cannot catch all the bugs. It's literally impossible.
This person has the right approach.
If only shared that approach. I love the fact that we now have an avatar, because it opens up SO MANY possibilities and has tremendous potential. But you know what? After 6 years of following the development (more like watching glaciers move) of Elite Dangerous, I am vary of the ability of FDev to realise such tremendous potential. It really seems like they're laying foundations and placeholders everywhere and never go back to finish them. Need examples? Thargoid introduction. Thargoid bases. Planetary gameplay. Multicrew...

In fact I think FDEV has now one in a lifetime chance to redeem all this (well, maybe one of two in a lifetime, another being atmospheric planets), to show that they're The Boss of space gaming. All it would take is fleshing odyssey beyond the scope of what was delivered - adding ship and station interiors, adding interesting exploration gameloops, Thargoid interactions [guess they are in as pew-pew already, waiting for something like gamescom ;-)]. Maybe introducing base building? I would pay for such addition, too. I don't expect them to go all Hello Games on Elite and release everything for free. I know that software is expensive to develop, as I develop it for a living. I however fully expect them to actually DEVELOP Elite. And not man a skeleton crew on the game for another 2 years focused on bugfixing gold rushes only while they go pursue another theme park franchise. Sorry, EDO is the only visible effort since Horizons from a software development perspective. I had teams much, much smaller than frontier which could turn a complicated product around in under a year, overhauling it to the gory bits. I refuse to believe FDev is unable to. I think they simply don't need / want to. By they, I mean management. Braben. Shareholders. Not the devs, as they usually do what they are told to do :cool:

Well, good luck FDEV. You will deliVeR, I will buy :)
 
Steam review are very important for game companyies. Really. It seems a lot of people don't check forums, or press, and just follow steam review/trailers for their purchases.
I don't disagree, but the share price is way, way more important, and failing to release Odyssey when the company had committed to do so to its shareholders would have put a fair amount of downward pressure on the share price.

I've seen it with all companies which are publicly traded. The customers stop being a focus, pleasing the shareholders becomes a top priority.
Exactly, because for publicly traded companies the primary vehicle to drive growth is through its share price.
 
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At this point, after all the negativity from people who simply have no idea how businesses work, if I was Frontier, I would probably say something like "If that's the gratitude we're going to get for three years hard work and improvements, having to cope with the difficulties Covid forced upon us .... if that's how you all feel, I guess we'll call it a day for Elite." And call up Amazon and shut down the servers.

Seriously, I'm not being a white knight here, but it's getting ridiculous. If you redecorated someone's house, and they paid you for it. Then you had to put up with constant, non-stop hate and criticism about EVERYTHING .... how long would it take for you to lose it and tell them to get lost? (that's me being polite and trying to stay within the forum rules).

I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that 98% of the player-base can simply get lost and play Star Citizen, X4, No Man's Sky, Dual Universe, Space Engineers, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Fortnite, Doom, Days Gone ..... basically ANY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE, because it seems no matter what Frontier does you won't ever be happy.

Try looking for the positives instead of focusing on the negatives. That doesn't mean ignore the negatives, just stop making things a bigger problem than they really are FCOL.

EDIT: Also, I fully expect every one of you who refund, to close your forum account as well and never show your faces in this community again.

Why do you expect that? There's an implication in your post that infers that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, and should follow your example.. Is that not a little conceited? You say play any other game to them, yet how does 'read any other thread' sound to you? You're not the boss of anyone around here.
 
I don't disagree, but the share price is way, way more important, and failing to release Odyssey when the company had committed to do so to its shareholders would have put a fair amount of downward pressure on the share price.


Exactly, because for publicly traded companies the primary vehicle to drive growth - through its share price.
And that excuses everything, the worshipping of the share price? Releasing bad products is hardly the way to keep the share price high. When you run a company you have to deliver on your promises to your customers first and foremost, otherwise they won't buy from you again and your client base will shrink. What will that do to the share price?
 
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