Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 10 - The Canonn

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LordZoltan

LordZoltan
CMDR Dreamstate said:
By all means follow the scientific method - but it is important to remember;

i) This is a game where everything is pre-programmed so therefore events will happen because 1+1=2. Scientific Method applies to reality, but we must remember we are trying to solve puzzles in a game.
ii) We're still playing 2.3 Gaurdian content - it isn't 2.4 yet - sometimes logic is enough.
iii) Testing was done with various objects before Lave Radio was the first to publish results, and I did state earlier in the day "Has anyone attempted to use Gaurdian Artefacts in the Galaxy Chamber to see if they sing or chime" or something to that extent (turns out they make the structure scream in rage instead) - which people duly noted or already had that idea to test to begin with.

Besides, I'm not a member of Canonn, so I'm at liberty to flaunt "the sacred method" in favour of whatever idea or thoery floats in my head ^^ It may not impress you or many others, but hey, forums.
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Of course everyone's free to say/do whatever they want (within the realms of what's acceptable on associate forums/discords or whatever) - and pretty much everybody's contributions are valuable in some way. Some of yours have been particularly good :)

And yes, you don't have to follow a scientific method to post or take part here, but it does help.

But your assertion that we shouldn't really worry too much about it because it's a game and therefore everything's preprogrammed is a bit simplistic. I'm not saying you're simple - just the argument, btw.

I present a test subject with 3 empty slots, and a choice of 200 (round guess) items to place in them.

I then tell her that a limited set of combinations of those objects will produce one of a limited range of responses, and that the reasons for those were chosen by me.

Crucially, the combinations are not arbitrarily defined, but instead determined by logical rules and relationships. I.e. they are pre-programmed, and there is a reason, discoverable from first principles based on common knowledge of those objects, why those combinations were chosen.

Our test subject has to

- To explain/interpret the responses obtained
- To identify the reasons why certain items produce a certain response

How does she approach that?

Unless the answer is 'rely on dumb-luck' (in this case, known as the Monte-Carlo method, see below) - then she will inevitably end up producing theories + evidence which enables her, and anyone else, to produce those responses on-demand.

Intuition will form part of that, but ultimately she will need an exhaustive search to be able to rule out or rule in the different object types and responses.

Now there might come a point at which she feels certain, after a few 'wise' guesses, but she shouldn't expect people to just accept her reasoning without all the supporting evidence - because if she can't say 'yes, I tried that combination' when asked, then she doesn't have all the evidence.

If she does go for The Monte-Carlo method - or, random sampling/dumb-luck - then that's basically the same as saying 'I'll try a few things and produce a conclusion/result once enough things have been tried to produce a satisfactory answer for me'.

That's singularly an awful method for analysing and interpreting the output of such pre-determined, or pre-programmed, systems - because it ignores the underlying system.

It's good for probabilistic problems (rendering/physics sims) but not where there is a clear true/false line. It might help her speed up the process of discovering patterns and making predictions about the result she can expect from previously untried combination - but, unless she tries them, she doesn't know.

And, again, it's precisely because it's pre-programmed that she has to be exhaustive before making any firm conclusions.


And before anyone says 'that's not the same as this' - FD have reams of paper about this stuff, no doubt with loads of world-building containing logical steps between one thing and another. As the haze clears, we're starting to see glimpses that UAs, UPs and many other elements of this whole story are more nuanced than we thought - so the detail and steps are there, waiting for us to uncover them, based on what FD make available to us at each stage.


So that's why people get a bee in their bonnet about assertions being made based on tiny samples of data. Especially when, on this thread, supposition very quickly gets misinterpreted as fact.

It doesn't even matter if you end up being correct. Nobody can say 'I know X' unless they've proved that and, equally importantly, disproved any crossover alternatives.

I hope this doesn't sound like a rant - just an explanation for the sources of friction. It's all good - so long as we all remain fair and respectful :)
 
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Armankessilon

Armankessilon
So, we have 2 ground encounters with the Thargoids so far:

1. At the barnacles
2. At the Giant Crashsite

Both encounters happen with no certain conditions and huge time intervals.

What if they arrive only when their homeworld is clearly visible in the sky? And what if we need to calculate their homeworld by their jump vectors?

Also, we need to add jump vectors from hyperdictions
 
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Clobbertime

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CypherG said:
If that is the case, then someone who is over at the California nebula should find a system there that matches the map displayed in the image. I'm gonna try to break it down.


  • Seems to be a Single Star system
  • 9 Planetary bodies
  • Planet 5 has a body in its orbit or near it, possible speculations as to what it is
    • Body in orbit is a single moon
    • Body in orbit is Planet 6 and it is forming a barycenter with Planet 5
    • Body is just really close to it though not enough to form a barycenter
  • None of the planets seem to have rings
  • The four outer planets seem to be gas giants (though there can be margin for some of those to be brown dwarves and/or T Tauri stars)
  • The four inner planets (and the body orbiting the fifth planet) seem to be terrestrial worlds (planet 1 seems to be of considerable size assuming it isn't a gas giant)
  • Doesn't seem to be an asteroid belt in the system

This is just my guess on it
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Actually, in some of the spectrogram images planet 2 is hollow with a line through it like the ringed planets in the left system, and in some images it's colored in solid. As for planet one, I do recall a couple of times finding the first planet in a system was a gas giant it seems much more common that a main star has a brown dwarf as the first orbiting object rather than a gas giant, I've come across a good number of those.
 

Nutter

Nutter
Quick Question..

I'm uploading a video at the moment that shows the Thargoid Scavengers 'repairing' the Mothership - Removing the Acid Gue? Whatever it is...

So if this ship was brought down by Acid Gue shooting ships and we have traces of Acid gue on ships in USS - Who's Firing the Acid Gue?
 

Unbreakable

Unbreakable
everyone keeps calling them wrecked thargoid vessels, has anyone stopped to consider that maybe this is what the barnacles grow into? Both barnacles and the new site share a lot of similarities, in the way they look and sound. The noises, the rumblings, the organic structures, the way the big site looks from above compared to a barnacle.
 

CookieJarviz

CookieJarviz
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So with this image I bellive we need to focus on --| which means 1 in binary. So step one. We take the UA to merope. Put it next to the sun? Step 2. Use the link some how. Step 3. Probe. points to that system? Step 4: profit?
 

CMDR Die Nasty

CMDR Die Nasty
Greetings all,

With Canonn having their own Mega ship, is the option present to move it to one of the newly discover sites or how does that work?

Keep up the great science!

CMDR Die_Nasty
 

Clobbertime

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rizal72 said:
Sorry, but other objects have already been tried (see previous posts, CMDR JesusRocks), and only the relics made the Device Angry...
we need to try other items, sure, but the relation is EVIDENCE already. Perhaps it's just an hint from FD, to tell us Guardians and Thargoids were related somehow, in the past perhaps, and no more. But something happens for sure.

Check the previous posts, there's even a video with 3 Unknown Relics, that the Device accepts, then when scanned it gets Angry (on the FP).
Other objects are simply spit out again (CMDR JesusRocks tests).
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The Guardian Relics glow and give off energy while the other Guardian items don't. While I do believe there is a connection between the Thargoids and Guardians it could also be a simple matter of the energy the relics give off being incompatible with the device and causing a short in the system when the device is activated by a scan.
 

Thatchinho

Thatchinho
CMDR Dreamstate said:
By all means follow the scientific method - but it is important to remember;

i) This is a game where everything is pre-programmed so therefore events will happen because 1+1=2. Scientific Method applies to reality, but we must remember we are trying to solve puzzles in a game.
ii) We're still playing 2.3 Gaurdian content - it isn't 2.4 yet - sometimes logic is enough.
iii) Testing was done with various objects before Lave Radio was the first to publish results, and I did state earlier in the day "Has anyone attempted to use Gaurdian Artefacts in the Galaxy Chamber to see if they sing or chime" or something to that extent (turns out they make the structure scream in rage instead) - which people duly noted or already had that idea to test to begin with.

Besides, I'm not a member of Canonn, so I'm at liberty to flaunt "the sacred method" in favour of whatever idea or thoery floats in my head ^^ It may not impress you or many others, but hey, forums.
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Can't believe this is happening again.

The problem is not the ideas that you come up with, it is the presentation of them, specifically stating things as though they are definite when they are not at all.

It is the behaviour of charlatans and con-men, which is why you get a backlash against it.

People have explained it nicely and politely many many times but the problem continues and you don't seem prepared to take onboard any of what's been said.

It's a shame because this aspect tends to overshadow your enthusiasm and creativity, and the sheer amount of effort you put into things, all of which are good qualities.
 

MYGUTFEELING

MYGUTFEELING
I think the system to the right of the image is Sol.

The bodies on the image could represent atmospheric bodies, with the 5th being Jupiter and IO (which has an atmosphere)
 

TheOneWithNoLife

TheOneWithNoLife
Another question... probably asked and answered somewhere already. Has somebody flown an UL in space to see if it points towards something? And also is there a change in UP behaviour? because on the spectogram it is pointing to an unknown system. atm.
 
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