Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

1) No, I'm not.
2) You're confused by your assumption that it cannot be. Two people exploring the same area at the same time can easily interfere with Discoveries, particularly if one can do so more quickly that another.

Nobody can 'interfere' with anyone else's discoveries, since it's not until you hand in the data that discovery is assigned. In addition, you actually have to scan the body in order to get the discovery which is far quicker with the FSS since FDev decided to pander to people who find find flying their spaceship to be a chore.

Enjoy your FSS - the ADS isn't coming back.

This is just childish and petty - but that's what happens when you know you've lost the argument.

 

[Riverside]

I've just tagged 'Raxxla' (it wasn't) in Open, with a whole bunch of other Cmdrs in the system. Not because of how long it took me to scan the system or even how long I was in the system for at all (I was roaming in my SRV for at least an hour or two) but simply because I was in a high jump range ship and I sold the data at the port in a nearby (~1,300ly away) nebula. Having an ADS on board might have saved me a minute or so finding the gas giant but that time simply wasn't a factor.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Not quite - but this ground has been gone over enough times already.

The fact of the matter is that there is not a single objective reason that the spiritual replacement for the ADS as proposed by this thread should be mutually exclusive with respect to access to the FSS.

There is equally no objective reason for Fdev to add it back in.

Case closed when it comes to objective reasoning. That is why going down the objective route was the worst mistake you made in this discussion.

As I said, it's all about personal opinion and subjective feelings.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

There is equally no objective reason for Fdev to add it back in.

Nope, I did show one objective reason.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Having options in a game is OK.

Having my options is fine, but they need to work well with the other options in the game. If they don't work well together, and I don't mean mechanically, then they won't be added back in the game, or they will be in a modified way, so they can work. I have given such an option, but there seems to be a lot of resistance for no apparent reason apart from reasons.

 

[Riverside]

There is equally no objective reason for Fdev to add it back in.

Case closed when it comes to objective reasoning. That is why going down the objective route was the worst mistake you made in this discussion.

As I said, it's all about personal opinion and subjective feelings.

Objectively there was no reason to remove them at all, the option to simply not remove them was overlooked, the justification for removing them was removed in the rush. Long standing game elements have been removed four years after launch. What else might be removed?

They need to be put back in to correct that oversight.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Nope, I did show one objective reason.

And what's that.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Objectively there was no reason to remove them at all, the option to simply not remove them was overlooked, the justification for removing them was removed in the rush. Long standing game elements have been removed four years after launch. What else might be removed?

They need to be put back in to correct that oversight.

Objectively they didn't need to keep it either.

You are describing the inner working of Fdev. Do you work for them? I doubt it.

Hopefully some of the other long standing elements will be removed once they become not necessary.

There was no oversight and it doesn't need to be added back in.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Having my options is fine, but they need to work well with the other options in the game. If they don't work well together, and I don't mean mechanically, then they won't be added back in the game, or they will be in a modified way, so they can work. I have given such an option, but there seems to be a lot of resistance for no apparent reason apart from reasons.

You haven't showed an objective reason for its incompatibility, just your classical phobia for the ADS.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

And what's that.

Would there be players who would return or play more the game if the ADS was reintroduced? Yes.

Would there be players who would leave the game if the ADS was reintroduced? I don't think so, if they don't like it they can leave it where it was, on the ouffiting screen.

Is having more players good for the game? Yes, I don't think I have to explain why.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

A poor example.

That is not an objective reason as you do not know if people will leave. That is a subjective opinion which is open to debate. Objective means it needs to be factual, not just what you feel.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

That is not an objective reason as you do not know if people will leave. That is a subjective opinion which is open to debate. Objective means it needs to be factual, not just what you feel.

It is based on an assumption, that doesn't make it subjective and we do have an example of the introduction of a controversial module, the advanced docking computer, I don't recall hearing about quits because of that...

Also, I have never read about someone claiming that he/she would quit if the ADS would return.

And please don't mess with my quotes, that wasn't even an example to begin with.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You haven't showed an objective reason for its incompatibility, just your classical phobia for the ADS.

I don't need to show an objective reason as it's all about personal opinions. I don't think they work well together.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I don't need to show an objective reason as it's all about personal opinions. I don't think they work well together.

They do work well, you just think it's illogical for reasons that make the FSS itself illogical.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

It is based on an assumption, that doesn't make it subjective and we do have an example of the introduction of a controversial module, the advanced docking computer, I don't recall hearing about quits because of that...

Don't assume as they can end up being the mother of all mess ups. I see nothing controversial with the ADC. Just people's personal opinions.

Also, I have never read about someone claiming that he/she would quit if the ADS would return.

I may. Not that Fdev will care about that.

And please don't mess with my quotes, that wasn't even an example to begin with.

I couldn't quote properly as you had put two replies in your post and they don't work when replying.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

They do work well, you just think it's illogical for reasons that make the FSS itself illogical.

No they do not and my reasons are fine in my view.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Don't assume as they can end up being the mother of all mess ups. I see nothing controversial with the ADC. Just people's personal opinions.

Technically speaking, anything they do can (and often they do) become "the mother of all mess ups" but tell me, what's the worst thing that could happen if it came back without any major bugs?

I see nothing controversial with the ADC. Just people's personal opinions.

ADS*, well, it does get its fair share of forum discussion, regardless, this isn't even good in principle.

I may. Not that Fdev will care about that.

You would? Nice, you are the first guy. Anybody else because you are greatly outnumbered ATM.

I couldn't quote properly as you had put two replies in your post and they don't work when replying.

And yet you described it as something it was not.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

No they do not and my reasons are fine in my view.

Your reasons are not about the mechanics but about their "sense" and I already told you why you are being biased in your criticisim.

 

[Burke]

So, its still broken isnt it? For that reason alone its making people leave. And they are blaming fdev for being bad devs and telling their friends and writing online about it. I must say i had a good laugh when i thought to myself how little chance there was of it even being looked at before monday. The FSS is costing Fdev all the time, even right now and thats before we get into subjects like how it has excluded less able players from exploring, unacceptable in this day and age. At this point in time it would have been better for fdev and better for the game itself if the thing had never been put in. The fact that they removed the alternative just compounds this.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Your reasons are not about the mechanics but about their "sense" and I already told you why you are being biased in your criticisim.

And the sense is all that matters in a game like ED.