Wow. This isn't really shocking but still extremely disappointed that Frontier needs to be coerced into enforcing their own policies. And further, that even public pressure isn't even sufficient. My guess is that (unlike the engineer exploit) Frontier went through the logs and found HUGE numbers of players have combat logged, and are afraid the current level of interest in the game is too fragile to start issuing non-arbitrary punishments.
PvP An Investigation Into Frontier's Actions on Combat Logging, Part 2
- Thread starter Rinzler o7o7o7
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Show me on the Asp Explorer where these griefers hurt you.
OP is former SDC. But that's not really important. I know of two former SDC members who are reputable and have more honor than a lot of CMDRs here. Rinzler is one of them.
We shouldn't paint members of a group (or former members) with such a wide brush.
Rinz is still SDC.
I'd welcome if FD figured out and implemented
a series of surveys tied into the game launcher,
to evaluate several topics,
with clogging being one of them.
This would be more neutral,
as not everyone uses the forums or reddit.
You can invest time fighting symptons
or personal choice of action,
but usually it is better to find the root of the disease.
Also this would be suitable instrument for a
preliminary questioning of the playerbase tied
to development decisions.
A start, but not the end.
a series of surveys tied into the game launcher,
to evaluate several topics,
with clogging being one of them.
This would be more neutral,
as not everyone uses the forums or reddit.
You can invest time fighting symptons
or personal choice of action,
but usually it is better to find the root of the disease.
Also this would be suitable instrument for a
preliminary questioning of the playerbase tied
to development decisions.
A start, but not the end.
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I stand corrected on that part, then. But not on the other.
You must have misunderstood, I'm not dismissing it, I'm applauding FDEV's inaction.
SDC have openly admitted submitting fake reports of combat logging (more than once now) to "test FDEV's response". That's a waste of FDEV supports time, no sensible commercial concern ever bothers with proven timewasters which is exactly what SDC are. They probably auto-reply to and then auto-delete your reports, and if they don't they should.
Hope that's a little clearer.
I've never lost a ship to them.
The details of the block function are all here along with advice direct from Sandro Sammarco the games lead designer on how block should be used to deal with griefers :
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ners-advice-on-dealing-with-griefing-(part-2)
Imagine hating a group so much that you're glad the dev doesn't punish cheating?
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Are you then accusing Frontier of lying when they said that
- the exploit was fixed
- all modules created by that exploit had been removed from the game
(and furthermore accusing hundreds of players of lying when they confirmed the same)?
I suspect that what you saw was one of:
- someone using a memory hack or similar to give themselves actually undamageable shields (rare, but it happens. One of the types of cheating FDev definitely does act on, so report it!)
- lag (fairly common, I've seen plenty of people I know are honest appear undamageable or at least take far less damage than expected for some time as a result)
- the ridiculously strong shields possible on bigger ships with conventional engineering even with just standard G5 never mind ridiculous god rolls. (common, intended behaviour)
- a similar bug with equivalentish effect is being exploited instead (not impossible, and obviously anyone who finds it is going to keep pretty quiet, but it's still not the "exact same exploit")
Rinzler o7o7o7
Banned
The reports in question are not fake. Each encounter featured an interdiction and a taskkill from the same player.
And that, kids, is why you should not play in Open. I said it from the beginning. Chose your private group and have fun. Or Frontier is finally able to put an OpenPVE-Mode into the game. But don´t waste time and energy (and fun) to an Open Mode which is just another instance of 32 randomly gathered players where in 8 of 10 cases one is a griefer.
It´s simply not worth it. Until you intend to PvP, though.
It´s simply not worth it. Until you intend to PvP, though.
I agree the SNR seems very low to make the example potentially statistically insignificant. Clearly this is a big deal for the OP, and not as much of a deal for FDev as the OP would like it to be.
There is a Combat Logging Punishment Proposal Thread in the suggestions section if anyone is interested in more than just arguing.
The post I linked to contains a proposal that would allow every single sample of CLogging to be acted upon, simply by putting the CLogger back into the same mode they left.
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Goose4291
Banned
That's some top tier, uncitationed strawmanning you've got going there.